Motocross: the smallest sport in the world?

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Edited Date/Time 5/20/2014 10:54am
I need to vent.

I keep hearing "we can't ________ because our sport is not big enough".

Arguably one of the biggest stories in outdoor motocross this year is the return of the mysterious Christophe Pourcel. Questions abound. What has he been up to? How is his health? What does he think of the bike? How did the Valli deal come together?

Yet despite all the photogs, pseudo journalists, hangers-on, and media-dudes, I've yet to see any attempts to actually speak to Christophe. He's been hitting Glen Helen now for how long? Where are the interviews? Has anyone attempted to get some answers?

Is our sport so small, that we don't have a journalist with enough balls to corner Christophe and ask him some questions?

Brotocross will talk shit on Nash for asking Dungey a tire question BUT AT LEAST HE ASKED!!!! Big props to Nash! Even though I roll my eyes every time I hear his "gentlemen" on PulpMX. If he was out in So-Cal, I bet he would've already talked to Pourcel.

Explain yourselves you self proclaimed journalists! (not you GuyB, you are awesome Smile )
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5/19/2014 4:14pm
There is an interview with him on transworld....

I do find it funny that certain journalists will go out of their way to take passive aggressive shots at him based on rumors from an industry that likely has no idea what is up with him but refuse to even try to talk to him directly.
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Transworld has a video with him in it from glen helen.
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It looks like CP is looking for a ride in 450 for 2015 AMA SX.
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5/19/2014 4:37pm Edited Date/Time 5/19/2014 4:43pm
First off, outside the industry its not considered a sport. Not anymore anyway.

Why? The truth would piss too many people off and theyd all get offended.

You compare pics of 70s mxers and todays and you can see it kinda looks like a joke instead of the worlds toughest sport.....regardless of how hard it is physically and mentally.
So the riders arent even considered athletes.

At least no more than a spelling bee on Espn or a chess match.

Sports Illustrated recently had an article with a link referencing moto as Circus Skillz.....with a Z.

Its looked at as a sideshow. Crazy daredevils. You tell someone you race dirt bikes and they respond with
Bro...can you backflip?

If sportscenter ran a piece saying Joe Schmoe signs 8 year 150 million dollar contract with YamaKawaHonZuk it might get attention and looked at as something more than a monster truck crash and burn show.

MotoGP was/is looked at as more a sport simply because of the amount of money.

There is no money in this sport and the ones making it are unknowns.
The local guy at the convenience store doesnt have a clue who #2 is on the Monster drink cutout of a guy on a bike taking a checkered flag.

That guy would be more well known after he quits, then starts a hunting expedition and gets on TV shooting Elk in the Yukon Territories.

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5/19/2014 5:29pm
JordanB wrote:
First off, outside the industry its not considered a sport. Not anymore anyway. Why? The truth would piss too many people off and theyd all get...
First off, outside the industry its not considered a sport. Not anymore anyway.

Why? The truth would piss too many people off and theyd all get offended.

You compare pics of 70s mxers and todays and you can see it kinda looks like a joke instead of the worlds toughest sport.....regardless of how hard it is physically and mentally.
So the riders arent even considered athletes.

At least no more than a spelling bee on Espn or a chess match.

Sports Illustrated recently had an article with a link referencing moto as Circus Skillz.....with a Z.

Its looked at as a sideshow. Crazy daredevils. You tell someone you race dirt bikes and they respond with
Bro...can you backflip?

If sportscenter ran a piece saying Joe Schmoe signs 8 year 150 million dollar contract with YamaKawaHonZuk it might get attention and looked at as something more than a monster truck crash and burn show.

MotoGP was/is looked at as more a sport simply because of the amount of money.

There is no money in this sport and the ones making it are unknowns.
The local guy at the convenience store doesnt have a clue who #2 is on the Monster drink cutout of a guy on a bike taking a checkered flag.

That guy would be more well known after he quits, then starts a hunting expedition and gets on TV shooting Elk in the Yukon Territories.

Huh?? It sounds like you don't believe Motocross is the most physically demanding sport on the planet. Is that correct?

Who cares what Joe Sixpack thinks. What do YOU think?
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It is hard.
But youd never get anyone to believe it.

Not anymore.

Take a look at a 70s pic of marty smith compared to that AD that keeps popping up on the right.
Tell someone that guy competes in the toughest sport in the world and they will think you are nuts.

It was said on here our guys look more like horse jockeys and couldnt do anything else outside of mx/sx.
So its not just me.


The topic was is it the smallest sport,
And thats why its small and not taken seriously.

And sports=money. There is none other than a couple unknowns.

Rv.....go ask the cashier who that dude is on the Monster display cutout. NO clue.
Dungey....ask the cashier at Target who her boss is.

Tell her Ryan Dungey is her boss and the Ceo, and she will say never heard of him I answer to Whoever.

Shes not going to say...haha hes some guy we sponsor.

When I was a kid everyone had dirt bikes. Now no kids have dirt bikes.
Not in the grand scheme.

Its a shame. And its marketed to kids....with no money and their parents arent going to push them into something with no future.

And its getting smaller.

I gotta hand it to Jody.....he was saying this 10 years ago when thw cost went through the roof.
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^ Unfortunate but so true.
Yep. It bums me out.

Its a shame when Sports Illustrated more or less makes fun of it.
Maybe the print version doesnt have the other crap but still.

Id rather it not be in a mainstream mag if we get compared to Circus Skillz with a Z.
WTF?
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5/19/2014 6:14pm
Dart Board wrote:
There is an interview with him on transworld.... I do find it funny that certain journalists will go out of their way to take passive aggressive...
There is an interview with him on transworld....

I do find it funny that certain journalists will go out of their way to take passive aggressive shots at him based on rumors from an industry that likely has no idea what is up with him but refuse to even try to talk to him directly.
Who takes passive/aggressive shots at him?
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5/19/2014 6:19pm
GuyB wrote:
Who takes passive/aggressive shots at him?
I would venture to guess Dave Bulmer in the CP write up on Vurbmoto is one.
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5/19/2014 6:22pm Edited Date/Time 5/19/2014 6:24pm
dean122 wrote:
I would venture to guess Dave Bulmer in the CP write up on Vurbmoto is one.
Okay, so help me out here. I don't read over there.

I stopped by his box van last week, and he was busy with someone. But I interrupted long enough to say hi, and tell him it was nice to see him back racing here.
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GuyB wrote:
Okay, so help me out here. I don't read over there. I stopped by his box van last week, and he was busy with someone. But...
Okay, so help me out here. I don't read over there.

I stopped by his box van last week, and he was busy with someone. But I interrupted long enough to say hi, and tell him it was nice to see him back racing here.
Quote from Dave:

"However, he has had a whole year off and who knows if he truly wants to win it again. Is he just doing it for the money (rumours are floating about him struggling financially), or does he really want to finally win the 250 outdoor title".

Not sure if that's really considered as a legit passive/aggressive shot, but I could see how some could take it as one without having done an interview with him at all to get his take first.
5/19/2014 6:26pm
Matthes seems to have a lot of negative things to say about him for a guy who hasn't talked to him in a while....

Today on twitter the big news was MAJOR MECHANIC CONTROVERSY and I thought to myself.... "He's been riding so obviously he has someone there to work on his bike"
5/19/2014 6:28pm
I hadn't read the Bulmer article.... This money thing that everyone is so quick to bring up is another example. It seems like he doesn't talk to very many industry people so why does it seem like everyone is is accountant all of a sudden?
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dean122 wrote:
Quote from Dave: "However, he has had a whole year off and who knows if he truly wants to win it again. Is he just doing...
Quote from Dave:

"However, he has had a whole year off and who knows if he truly wants to win it again. Is he just doing it for the money (rumours are floating about him struggling financially), or does he really want to finally win the 250 outdoor title".

Not sure if that's really considered as a legit passive/aggressive shot, but I could see how some could take it as one without having done an interview with him at all to get his take first.
Gotcha. My guess is that he wouldn't come back if he thought he didn't think he could win.

I've watched him riding around for the last two weeks. A lot of the time he's playing, but then he'll absolutely blaze a section or two. He NEVER shows everything that's in his bag o' tricks.

Having said that, I think he's given this a better shot than the last time he tried with MotoConcepts. Lots more testing with the Yamaha guys (to the point that the Star crew was wondering where the love was).

As far as money goes, I talked with Mike Genova a while back, and Mike said he went to hand Christophe his check when they parted company, and Christophe refused to take it.
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Quote from Dave: "However, he has had a whole year off and who knows if he truly wants to win it again. Is he just doing...
Quote from Dave:

"However, he has had a whole year off and who knows if he truly wants to win it again. Is he just doing it for the money (rumours are floating about him struggling financially), or does he really want to finally win the 250 outdoor title".

Not sure if that's really considered as a legit passive/aggressive shot, but I could see how some could take it as one without having done an interview with him at all to get his take first.
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Gotcha. My guess is that he wouldn't come back if he thought he didn't think he could win. I've watched him riding around for the last...
Gotcha. My guess is that he wouldn't come back if he thought he didn't think he could win.

I've watched him riding around for the last two weeks. A lot of the time he's playing, but then he'll absolutely blaze a section or two. He NEVER shows everything that's in his bag o' tricks.

Having said that, I think he's given this a better shot than the last time he tried with MotoConcepts. Lots more testing with the Yamaha guys (to the point that the Star crew was wondering where the love was).

As far as money goes, I talked with Mike Genova a while back, and Mike said he went to hand Christophe his check when they parted company, and Christophe refused to take it.
Lebigusa.com did a great interview with CP a couple of days ago. He said that the reason why he did not get a ride from Kawasaki for 2011, was that RV did not want him in the team and he never got an offer from Mike Fisher. It was never about the money.
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JordanB wrote:
First off, outside the industry its not considered a sport. Not anymore anyway. Why? The truth would piss too many people off and theyd all get...
First off, outside the industry its not considered a sport. Not anymore anyway.

Why? The truth would piss too many people off and theyd all get offended.

You compare pics of 70s mxers and todays and you can see it kinda looks like a joke instead of the worlds toughest sport.....regardless of how hard it is physically and mentally.
So the riders arent even considered athletes.

At least no more than a spelling bee on Espn or a chess match.

Sports Illustrated recently had an article with a link referencing moto as Circus Skillz.....with a Z.

Its looked at as a sideshow. Crazy daredevils. You tell someone you race dirt bikes and they respond with
Bro...can you backflip?

If sportscenter ran a piece saying Joe Schmoe signs 8 year 150 million dollar contract with YamaKawaHonZuk it might get attention and looked at as something more than a monster truck crash and burn show.

MotoGP was/is looked at as more a sport simply because of the amount of money.

There is no money in this sport and the ones making it are unknowns.
The local guy at the convenience store doesnt have a clue who #2 is on the Monster drink cutout of a guy on a bike taking a checkered flag.

That guy would be more well known after he quits, then starts a hunting expedition and gets on TV shooting Elk in the Yukon Territories.

Coming from Australia where absolutely no one has heard of motocross unless its crusty demons or nitro circus I'm constantly surprised by what I've come across here in the US. Just before Atlanta Supercross me and some visiting Aussie friends stopped in at a Cracker Barrel in Cumming Georgia. The older lady server, maybe 60 saw one of our moto tees and it turned out she knew of literally every rider out there. Who was injured etc who was in, everything!. That would never ever happen in Australia lol It blew me away. Also a few years ago I witnessed James Stewart being hounded for Autographs at a Best Buy while he was trying to shop with his girlfriend. My neighbor in Georgia has never ever been to a race and he's heard of Ricky Carmichael and Jeremy McGrath, I'll have to check and see if hes actually heard the current guys I guess. It's not as bad here as people think. Actually the sport seems massive here when you visit from another country.
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5/19/2014 6:56pm
DV said on pulp he sold his house and is renting from one of his friends and broke and money is a big motivator.
Makes sense. Guy is bad ass on a dirt bike. Might as well take advantage of it if someone is giving you a job.
5/19/2014 6:58pm
Once again... DV was speculating. He said himself that they haven't spoken since Freestone 2011.
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Yep. It bums me out. Its a shame when Sports Illustrated more or less makes fun of it. Maybe the print version doesnt have the other...
Yep. It bums me out.

Its a shame when Sports Illustrated more or less makes fun of it.
Maybe the print version doesnt have the other crap but still.

Id rather it not be in a mainstream mag if we get compared to Circus Skillz with a Z.
WTF?
You don't seem to like it much better than you claim SI does.
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In America, Ive ran into people 35-50 anywhere in the US and MC is their guy.
These are just casual people. Not everyday fans.

He left an impression. A big impression. HES the dingleball helmet guy, flashing lights helmet guy, etc etc.

Even RJ, Metzger, TP.....James. Maybe because he, like MC took it to another level.

RC. not so much. RV barely.
They won, Alot, but its just different now.
There is no flash, no ....something.

James was at least buying supercars and fancy houses and making the sport look interesting.
Getting TV spots.

Today its shows over goodnight till next week. Or next year.

Hannah......people know the name.
RJ....they dont know stats, but they remember Too Hip Bad Boy Club and Jetsons shorts.
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Once again... DV was speculating. He said himself that they haven't spoken since Freestone 2011.
He said he was renting from Dvs friend. Probably got decent info.
who knows who that could be.

Im curious how he does. Hes definitely good on a scoot.
Its getting close.
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JordanB wrote:
First off, outside the industry its not considered a sport. Not anymore anyway. Why? The truth would piss too many people off and theyd all get...
First off, outside the industry its not considered a sport. Not anymore anyway.

Why? The truth would piss too many people off and theyd all get offended.

You compare pics of 70s mxers and todays and you can see it kinda looks like a joke instead of the worlds toughest sport.....regardless of how hard it is physically and mentally.
So the riders arent even considered athletes.

At least no more than a spelling bee on Espn or a chess match.

Sports Illustrated recently had an article with a link referencing moto as Circus Skillz.....with a Z.

Its looked at as a sideshow. Crazy daredevils. You tell someone you race dirt bikes and they respond with
Bro...can you backflip?

If sportscenter ran a piece saying Joe Schmoe signs 8 year 150 million dollar contract with YamaKawaHonZuk it might get attention and looked at as something more than a monster truck crash and burn show.

MotoGP was/is looked at as more a sport simply because of the amount of money.

There is no money in this sport and the ones making it are unknowns.
The local guy at the convenience store doesnt have a clue who #2 is on the Monster drink cutout of a guy on a bike taking a checkered flag.

That guy would be more well known after he quits, then starts a hunting expedition and gets on TV shooting Elk in the Yukon Territories.

That must be a female elk 'cause I know the bulls have horns.
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That must be a female elk 'cause I know the bulls have horns.
You must be new around here.

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The problem is people who don't ride will never understand how hard it is. What irritates me isn't that other sports get so much coverage, but that people are so closed minded about the sport as a whole as far as sports shows are concerned. If it doesn't have a ball in it most sports shows don't care, which is why I don't watch any of them. But that doesn't reflect the public like people think. To be honest, most people I talk to are relatively I formed about motorcycles and know what moto is, they might not have any real knowledge, but they know what it is. Some of you guys make it sound like the public thinks dirtbikers come from space or something, which is not true at all. It may be small financially, but I'm optimistic that will change in the future.
5/19/2014 9:10pm
His English speaking has really improved. Hopefully his health has as well. If his riding is anywhere near where it was, leave no doubt, he is in it to win it.
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JordanB wrote:
First off, outside the industry its not considered a sport. Not anymore anyway. Why? The truth would piss too many people off and theyd all get...
First off, outside the industry its not considered a sport. Not anymore anyway.

Why? The truth would piss too many people off and theyd all get offended.

You compare pics of 70s mxers and todays and you can see it kinda looks like a joke instead of the worlds toughest sport.....regardless of how hard it is physically and mentally.
So the riders arent even considered athletes.

At least no more than a spelling bee on Espn or a chess match.

Sports Illustrated recently had an article with a link referencing moto as Circus Skillz.....with a Z.

Its looked at as a sideshow. Crazy daredevils. You tell someone you race dirt bikes and they respond with
Bro...can you backflip?

If sportscenter ran a piece saying Joe Schmoe signs 8 year 150 million dollar contract with YamaKawaHonZuk it might get attention and looked at as something more than a monster truck crash and burn show.

MotoGP was/is looked at as more a sport simply because of the amount of money.

There is no money in this sport and the ones making it are unknowns.
The local guy at the convenience store doesnt have a clue who #2 is on the Monster drink cutout of a guy on a bike taking a checkered flag.

That guy would be more well known after he quits, then starts a hunting expedition and gets on TV shooting Elk in the Yukon Territories.

Spartacus wrote:
That must be a female elk 'cause I know the bulls have horns.
Bull elk do not have horns. They have antlers.

And that's a badger in that picture. Everyone knows that. Moran.







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JM485 wrote:
The problem is people who don't ride will never understand how hard it is. What irritates me isn't that other sports get so much coverage, but...
The problem is people who don't ride will never understand how hard it is. What irritates me isn't that other sports get so much coverage, but that people are so closed minded about the sport as a whole as far as sports shows are concerned. If it doesn't have a ball in it most sports shows don't care, which is why I don't watch any of them. But that doesn't reflect the public like people think. To be honest, most people I talk to are relatively I formed about motorcycles and know what moto is, they might not have any real knowledge, but they know what it is. Some of you guys make it sound like the public thinks dirtbikers come from space or something, which is not true at all. It may be small financially, but I'm optimistic that will change in the future.
I would say the sport that's most popular (nfl) is full of fans that don't really care how hard football is, so I don't think that's a factor. Really if you want mainstream coverage you have to sell out to the casual fan and women. It has to be about the riders and their personality or looks. Racing will take a back seat. Sad but true.

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