Understanding Yoshimura RS-4 Inserts

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Edited Date/Time 5/8/2014 5:10pm
Yoshimura has several inserts for their RS-4 exhaust system that are not so easy to figure out on paper or after a tech call to Yosh.

My 2012 CRf450 ran good with the FMF RCT 4.1 exhaust that replaced the tiny outlet of the stock exhaust. The outlet of the FMF muffler was about 1.67".. much bigger than the 1.05" stock outlet.

I then tried a full titanium and carbon fiber Yoshimura system which comes with their "AMA Sound Insert" which is 94 db. i was surprised by the tiny outlet the Yosh muffler came with. It measured only 1.24" in diameter!

I had a very confusing call with Yosh tech. i dont like loud but I asked them which insert would give the best power. He suggested the 2M Max insert. I asked him how many dB it was rated at and he said 110 dB. I naturally figured that the diameter of the opening of the 110 dB insert must be bigger than the 96 and 99 dB inserts so I asked him the diameter of the inserts and said they are all 1.5" which is written on the packing label. This made no f'in sense whatsoever so i ended the call and ordered every insert they sold to figure it out myself as there is no explanation anywhere about their insert system and it is not intuitive.

None of the inserts are 1.5" in diameter.. they are all less than that and all much smaller then the FMF. 1.5" must be the size of the muffler opening and not the nsert so refering to it is totally useless. The 99 dB insert measured 1.42" in diameter.. still no where near the size of the FMF outlet. If the 2M max insert is rated at 110 dB, I expected it to be bigger in diameter.. nope, it was the exact same 1.42" in diameter as the 99 dB insert except it had a piece of perforated steel welded over the end of it which makes it at least a but more restrictive than the 99 dB insert so how the heck could it be rated at 110 dB. The only answer to that is that the 2M max insert is rated in a different way than all the other inserts they sell and actually would be quieter than the 99 dB insert if measured the same way. You would never figure this out from the info they provide.

End of story.. if you want the least restrictive insert, go with the 99 dB insert which is what I did and dont bother asking Yosh or looking for an explantion in their literature as you won't find it.

Stock 2012 CRF450 - 1.05"
Yosh "AMA Sound" insert - 1.24" (94 dCool
Yosh "2M Max" insert - 1.42" + perforated screen on the end (I am guessing around 96 dCool
Yosh "99 dB" Insert - 1.42" (99 dCool
FMF RCT 4.1 - 1.67" (the loudest of all but from the rider's seat not that much noticable over the Yosh 99 dB insert)

The Yosh with the AMA sound or 99 dB inserts will defintely gave the bike more lower end power than the FMFbut not as much on top and not as smooth a transition from bottom to mid. The Yosh full carbon fiber and titanium muffler looks great ,but beware, it is pig heavy for the materials used.. it is .84 lbs heavier than the FMFaluminum and steel muffler and 1.58 lbs heavier than the FMF titanium RCT muffler!

Anyone running without the insert at all? This would bring the Yosh outlet diameter closer in size to the FMF RCT 4.1 muffler.

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5/7/2014 4:03pm
I have a 2013 crf250r and I am trying to find the 99db insert for it. Do you know the part number for that and if it would fit my rs4 stainless yosh? Let me know. Thanks Mitch
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5/7/2014 4:17pm
The biggest diameter insert is the 99db insert and the part number that fits all the RS-4 mufflers is part # INS-14-k.

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5/7/2014 4:58pm
How did you go about ordering these because when i talked to the sales rep from yosh she said that part number is the 2m-max. This is what the yosh sales representative said:
"Unfortunately I don’t show that we have a 99dB insert available. I see a 94dB and a 2m-Max insert. Typically the 2m-Max insert is the best performing, so if you don’t have sound requirements where you ride then I would get that one. The insert is not spark arrested though. Here is the part number and price for that item:
INS-14-K $29.95 MSRP"
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5/7/2014 8:00pm
Honda188 wrote:
How did you go about ordering these because when i talked to the sales rep from yosh she said that part number is the 2m-max. This...
How did you go about ordering these because when i talked to the sales rep from yosh she said that part number is the 2m-max. This is what the yosh sales representative said:
"Unfortunately I don’t show that we have a 99dB insert available. I see a 94dB and a 2m-Max insert. Typically the 2m-Max insert is the best performing, so if you don’t have sound requirements where you ride then I would get that one. The insert is not spark arrested though. Here is the part number and price for that item:
INS-14-K $29.95 MSRP"
The 2M Max insert is INS-2M28-K. I gave you theright part number. Go to the Dennis Kirk site.. I found them the best place to get all these inserts. I couldnt get the clear info from Yoshimura or there website so I bought every insert to see what was what.. The 2M Max insert is simply the 99dB insert with a piece of angular mesh welded on the end of it. They both measure 1.5" in diameter. The INS-16-K is an even smaller diameter and is rated at 94 dB. The least restrictive insert is the 99 dB insert which is INS-14-K..

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5/8/2014 4:55am
I have the 13.5 ktm450sxf and had a full fmf 4.1rct with megabomb header wasnt impressed with the performance at all. I had a full yosh on my 13 450sxf and loved it, i ran it straight with no inserts. I just got the 14.5 model yosh exhaust n the header is alil diffrent and i ran it with the insert recomended and was extremly impressed. I just took it out to c if theres a huge diffrence will c.
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I have the 13.5 ktm450sxf and had a full fmf 4.1rct with megabomb header wasnt impressed with the performance at all. I had a full yosh...
I have the 13.5 ktm450sxf and had a full fmf 4.1rct with megabomb header wasnt impressed with the performance at all. I had a full yosh on my 13 450sxf and loved it, i ran it straight with no inserts. I just got the 14.5 model yosh exhaust n the header is alil diffrent and i ran it with the insert recomended and was extremly impressed. I just took it out to c if theres a huge diffrence will c.
I have run both the full Yosh RS-4 and the FMF RCT 4.1 on my 2012 CRF450. The FMF system is more free flowing and adds more to the top of the CRF450 power band where it really needs it. The Yosh RS-4 adds more to the bottom to mid even with the biggest insert... the header pipe is ever so slighly narrower than stock and the insert that comes with the muffler is not much bigger than stock and the biggest 99 dB insert is still far smaller than the FMF unit. I havent tried the Yosh w/o any insert yet and they will tell you it wont make more power,..just more noise as well as blowing out the packing faster. The Yosh is a nice looking unit and well made, but the muffler is shockingly heavy .. the all carbon fiber/ titanium Yosh mufler is about 1.5 lbs heavier than the FMF 4.1 titanium muffler.
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5/8/2014 10:35am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2014 10:36am
Honda188 wrote:
https://www.denniskirk.com/yoshimura/low-volume-insert-94db-for-rs-4-ins-14-k-muffler-type.p435561.prd/435561.sku I put the link to dennis kirk above because when i go to purchase that part number from dennis kirk its telling me that its...
https://www.denniskirk.com/yoshimura/low-volume-insert-94db-for-rs-4-in…

I put the link to dennis kirk above because when i go to purchase that part number from dennis kirk its telling me that its a 94 db insert which is the one i already have.
The info on the site is wrong. If found that most site have the wrong info and they probably have as hard of a time figuring out Yoshimura's system as we are. Anyway, the part number I gave you is correct. I have cut and pasted the part number from my invoice. I bought every one of the inserts and compared them and the INS-14-K is the 99 dB and the biggest diameter of all the inserts at 1.5".

"Low-Volume Insert (94 dB ) for RS-4 (INS-14-K) Muffler Type - INS14K Part #: 435561" .. the 94 dB info stated is wrong!.. this is the 99 dB insert.
5/8/2014 5:07pm
Tokyo tiddler on the ktm its the exact opposite, the fmf is less flowing, witch mimics the stock system, the fmf 4.1 rct works better with the stock header than with the megabomb header. It was really upsetting to me with the fmf system , cause i get an insane deal with fmf. I agree though its definitly lighter than the yosh, but durability wise there not comparable, the yosh holds up better and seems to always have that "new" look.
5/8/2014 5:10pm




Both look great imo though

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