Air filters glue failing

B1LL31
Profile picture for user B1LL31
Posts
28
Joined
10/25/2013
Location
Denver, CO, USA
B1LL31
Edited Date/Time 3/5/2014 7:22pm
Does anyone else have problems with the glue in air filters starting to breakdown after a period of time? I use no toil products to clean my filters and have tried several brands of air filters but after several washings the glue starts to break down and the filter seams come apart. I recently bought a uni filter and after several washings the glue is breaking down. I know the obvious first answer will be to use uni cleaning products but I like the no toil products. Any thoughts?
|
Paw Paw 271
Profile picture for user Paw Paw 271
Posts
3632
Joined
4/3/2013
Location
Benton, LA, USA
Paw Paw 271 3/4/2014 1:30pm
3/4/2014 1:30pm
Try using Dawn Blue soap. It will not attack the glue.
IceMan446
Profile picture for user IceMan446
Posts
4676
Joined
1/10/2010
Location
Sacramento, CA, USA
IceMan446 3/4/2014 1:30pm
3/4/2014 1:30pm
Have you used NoToil filters? I have never had an issue with their filters or cleaner.

How do you store your filters?
B1LL31
Profile picture for user B1LL31
Posts
28
Joined
10/25/2013
Location
Denver, CO, USA
B1LL31 3/4/2014 2:05pm
3/4/2014 2:05pm
I have used no toil filters before but I can't remember if it fell apart. I think I ended up selling the bike soon after buying the no toil filter. I usually remove the filter after each ride, install the air box cover, wash the bike, and store the filter inside my house or garage. I usually wash every two to three rides, depending on conditions.


Why blue dawn soap? Is it gentler?
keeptwostrokesalive 3/4/2014 2:13pm
3/4/2014 2:13pm
I always use no-toil filters and I clean them with kerosene to get the oil filter and most of the dirt out, then I use dawn dish soap to finish it off. I haven't had any problems with the glue coming apart at all this way.

The Shop

See All »
Paw Paw 271
Profile picture for user Paw Paw 271
Posts
3632
Joined
4/3/2013
Location
Benton, LA, USA
Paw Paw 271 3/4/2014 2:18pm
3/4/2014 2:18pm
B1LL31 wrote:
I have used no toil filters before but I can't remember if it fell apart. I think I ended up selling the bike soon after buying...
I have used no toil filters before but I can't remember if it fell apart. I think I ended up selling the bike soon after buying the no toil filter. I usually remove the filter after each ride, install the air box cover, wash the bike, and store the filter inside my house or garage. I usually wash every two to three rides, depending on conditions.


Why blue dawn soap? Is it gentler?
Yes, it cuts the oil and dirt but does not attack the glue. Wash it buy hand with warm water, rinse and sling off the excess water out of the filter and then let it air dry. DO NOT RING OUT THE FILTER.
CamP
Profile picture for user CamP
Posts
6826
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Colleyville, TX, USA
CamP 3/4/2014 2:34pm
3/4/2014 2:34pm
No toil is not compatible with uni filters.
Socket946
Profile picture for user Socket946
Posts
2018
Joined
8/25/2013
Location
USA
Socket946 3/4/2014 2:53pm
3/4/2014 2:53pm
CamP wrote:
No toil is not compatible with uni filters.
Yep. And to the guy using Kerosene to clean his No toil filters...Good luck.

No toil filters need No Toil clear, and No toil Oil...

It's not like any of this is expensive. The No Toil cleaner is seriously just clothing detergent.
B1LL31
Profile picture for user B1LL31
Posts
28
Joined
10/25/2013
Location
Denver, CO, USA
B1LL31 3/4/2014 2:56pm
3/4/2014 2:56pm
Thanks guys,
I'm just going to buy a couple no toil filters and give them a try.
Socket946
Profile picture for user Socket946
Posts
2018
Joined
8/25/2013
Location
USA
Socket946 3/4/2014 2:58pm
3/4/2014 2:58pm
B1LL31 wrote:
Thanks guys,
I'm just going to buy a couple no toil filters and give them a try.
Pro tip; Find the air filter part number on the NO toil sight, then search Amazon for just the part number.

CV4 rebrands No toil filters, and they can be had for DIRT cheap.
Moto Mofo
Profile picture for user Moto Mofo
Posts
891
Joined
1/17/2008
Location
USA
Moto Mofo 3/4/2014 5:38pm
3/4/2014 5:38pm
As mentioned above, UNI filters absolutely do not last when using No Toil products. I've had great luck with Twin Air filters lasting when used with No Toil oil and cleaner.
mx5471
Profile picture for user mx5471
Posts
985
Joined
7/10/2008
Location
USA
mx5471 3/5/2014 6:06am
3/5/2014 6:06am
I have been using No Toil oil with twin air filters for years with out any problems. I've gotten 3 years out of some of the filters before the foam starts to break down. Be sure not to use hot water to clean them. I think the very hot water tends to melt the glue. Just use warm water. And don't dry them in the dryer on a heat setting. I use the dryer but without heat. Also to save money, go to walmart and buy a big tub of oxy-clean. It's the same thing as the no-toil cleaner but way cheaper.
DoctorJD
Profile picture for user DoctorJD
Posts
2979
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
Somewhere in..., GA, USA
DoctorJD 3/5/2014 6:15am
3/5/2014 6:15am
Moto Mofo wrote:
As mentioned above, UNI filters absolutely do not last when using No Toil products. I've had great luck with Twin Air filters lasting when used with...
As mentioned above, UNI filters absolutely do not last when using No Toil products. I've had great luck with Twin Air filters lasting when used with No Toil oil and cleaner.
Yep. I'm running Twin Air filters in both our bikes (sons, mine) and using No Toil cleaner and filter oil. Absolutely no issues.
IceMan446
Profile picture for user IceMan446
Posts
4676
Joined
1/10/2010
Location
Sacramento, CA, USA
IceMan446 3/5/2014 9:20am
3/5/2014 9:20am
B1LL31 wrote:
Thanks guys,
I'm just going to buy a couple no toil filters and give them a try.
Buy the kit that comes with the cleaner and the air filter oil. I don't use rim grease unless I am riding a sand track, the rim grease cleans up really easy as well. No need for gas or any other harsh cleaner.
MotoX85
Profile picture for user MotoX85
Posts
2198
Joined
10/9/2011
Location
Centralia, IL, USA
MotoX85 3/5/2014 12:06pm
3/5/2014 12:06pm
Stop using gasoline to clean your filters. Use kerosene or minieral spirits (solvent) instead and then wash with Dawn dish soap after.
mx5471
Profile picture for user mx5471
Posts
985
Joined
7/10/2008
Location
USA
mx5471 3/5/2014 4:30pm
3/5/2014 4:30pm
I don't understand why anyone would spend as much money to clean filters as they do on gas for their bikes. Mineral spirits and kerosene are expensive, water is cheap. I've been using No Toil filter oil for 14 tears with Twin Air filters with no problems. As I said previously, I have had a 2 to 3 year life with most of them, after being cleaned at least once every week for 30 weeks a year. Some one said on here a couple years ago to use the oxy clean. I did a test. Two filters, filthy with dust and dirt. My usual process is fill a small bucket with lukewarm water, throw in some cleaner, mix it up and let them sit 10 minutes. Then I rinse with the hose and do it again. Then rinse again, and a quick wash in the sink wish dish wash soap. They look like the day you bought them. Then a quick run in the dryer on no heat. Both exactly the same. Buy a couple half gallons of No Toil from Motosport, and a big tub of oxy clean from walmart, and you're good.
CamP
Profile picture for user CamP
Posts
6826
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Colleyville, TX, USA
CamP 3/5/2014 5:44pm
3/5/2014 5:44pm
$10 worth of Diesel lasts me 6 months and I ride twice a week.
MotoX85
Profile picture for user MotoX85
Posts
2198
Joined
10/9/2011
Location
Centralia, IL, USA
MotoX85 3/5/2014 7:21pm
3/5/2014 7:21pm
CamP wrote:
$10 worth of Diesel lasts me 6 months and I ride twice a week.
No shit, I've had the same $50 mineral spirits in my solvent tank for 3 years. Who in there right mind buys it everytime you do a filter, get a bucket.
MotoX85
Profile picture for user MotoX85
Posts
2198
Joined
10/9/2011
Location
Centralia, IL, USA
MotoX85 3/5/2014 7:22pm
3/5/2014 7:22pm
mx5471 wrote:
I don't understand why anyone would spend as much money to clean filters as they do on gas for their bikes. Mineral spirits and kerosene are...
I don't understand why anyone would spend as much money to clean filters as they do on gas for their bikes. Mineral spirits and kerosene are expensive, water is cheap. I've been using No Toil filter oil for 14 tears with Twin Air filters with no problems. As I said previously, I have had a 2 to 3 year life with most of them, after being cleaned at least once every week for 30 weeks a year. Some one said on here a couple years ago to use the oxy clean. I did a test. Two filters, filthy with dust and dirt. My usual process is fill a small bucket with lukewarm water, throw in some cleaner, mix it up and let them sit 10 minutes. Then I rinse with the hose and do it again. Then rinse again, and a quick wash in the sink wish dish wash soap. They look like the day you bought them. Then a quick run in the dryer on no heat. Both exactly the same. Buy a couple half gallons of No Toil from Motosport, and a big tub of oxy clean from walmart, and you're good.
So YOU are buying chemicals every time you do an air filter.

Post a reply to: Air filters glue failing