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el moto diablo 1/13/2014 9:40am
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I saw it a few weeks back (dvd screener Cool ) the chinhook going down was heart wrenching. To think of the amount of training and experience that was lost with those brave men. What a devastating day for the SEALS.
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seth505 1/13/2014 10:43am
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Movie was really well done. These movies always get me, especially the ending with pics of the guys with family, its hard for me not to turn on the water works.
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Listen to what Marcus had to say. I wouldn`t want to be in interviewers place when he was answering. On a other hand, scratch it, I wouldn`t ask such a dumbass questions if I was him.Angry Sick


Motocross83 1/15/2014 8:37am
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I will definitely try and catch this. My only reservation before seeing it is that I think there's always a danger with these things as portraying these people as something they're not. It must remain honest. Not just to the facts of what happened but also the motivation of the individuals. Though you have to respect what he's done/is (I mean in regards to possessing the unique assets it takes to be in any sort special forces group), as a person I don't like the guy. Seems way too wound up in the above interview.

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huck 1/15/2014 8:52am
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Motocross83 wrote:
I will definitely try and catch this. My only reservation before seeing it is that I think there's always a danger with these things as portraying...
I will definitely try and catch this. My only reservation before seeing it is that I think there's always a danger with these things as portraying these people as something they're not. It must remain honest. Not just to the facts of what happened but also the motivation of the individuals. Though you have to respect what he's done/is (I mean in regards to possessing the unique assets it takes to be in any sort special forces group), as a person I don't like the guy. Seems way too wound up in the above interview.
How did he seem "wound up"? You mean after the interviewer insinuated that he was "helpless", or when the interviewer stated that his brothers deaths were "senseless"?
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Motocross83 wrote:
I will definitely try and catch this. My only reservation before seeing it is that I think there's always a danger with these things as portraying...
I will definitely try and catch this. My only reservation before seeing it is that I think there's always a danger with these things as portraying these people as something they're not. It must remain honest. Not just to the facts of what happened but also the motivation of the individuals. Though you have to respect what he's done/is (I mean in regards to possessing the unique assets it takes to be in any sort special forces group), as a person I don't like the guy. Seems way too wound up in the above interview.
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How did he seem "wound up"? You mean after the interviewer insinuated that he was "helpless", or when the interviewer stated that his brothers deaths were...
How did he seem "wound up"? You mean after the interviewer insinuated that he was "helpless", or when the interviewer stated that his brothers deaths were "senseless"?
Yes, after that. Those are valid points from an observer trying to get into the mindset of what went on. He stated that as one of the emotions he felt - nothing wrong with that. I'm sure a lot us would feel a pervading sense of hopelessness in that situation. As for the senseless comment; clearly he doesn't mean it in "that" way. A lot of people (perhaps most?) feel that in many ways our efforts in Afghanistan haven't been worth the cost, and that people (on all sides) have lost their lives senselessly. Look, those are fair issues to raise in any interview related to this subject matter.... And with the political climate being the way it is, they're inevitable too.
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huck 1/15/2014 9:50am
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Motocross83 wrote:
I will definitely try and catch this. My only reservation before seeing it is that I think there's always a danger with these things as portraying...
I will definitely try and catch this. My only reservation before seeing it is that I think there's always a danger with these things as portraying these people as something they're not. It must remain honest. Not just to the facts of what happened but also the motivation of the individuals. Though you have to respect what he's done/is (I mean in regards to possessing the unique assets it takes to be in any sort special forces group), as a person I don't like the guy. Seems way too wound up in the above interview.
huck wrote:
How did he seem "wound up"? You mean after the interviewer insinuated that he was "helpless", or when the interviewer stated that his brothers deaths were...
How did he seem "wound up"? You mean after the interviewer insinuated that he was "helpless", or when the interviewer stated that his brothers deaths were "senseless"?
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Yes, after that. Those are valid points from an observer trying to get into the mindset of what went on. He stated that as one of...
Yes, after that. Those are valid points from an observer trying to get into the mindset of what went on. He stated that as one of the emotions he felt - nothing wrong with that. I'm sure a lot us would feel a pervading sense of hopelessness in that situation. As for the senseless comment; clearly he doesn't mean it in "that" way. A lot of people (perhaps most?) feel that in many ways our efforts in Afghanistan haven't been worth the cost, and that people (on all sides) have lost their lives senselessly. Look, those are fair issues to raise in any interview related to this subject matter.... And with the political climate being the way it is, they're inevitable too.
Obviously I can't speak for Marcus or know what he is thinking...however, if I am him and on CNN (a known liberal media), I would have been defensive going in. He's trained to be cold, almost to the point of being a machine. They were on the show to promote the movie, not discuss political policies. As he said in the movie, it's the liberal media that would have screamed loudest had they harmed the initial farmers/Taliban. Essentially he was being interviewed by the very ones that were responsible for his brother's death...
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Motocross83 wrote:
I will definitely try and catch this. My only reservation before seeing it is that I think there's always a danger with these things as portraying...
I will definitely try and catch this. My only reservation before seeing it is that I think there's always a danger with these things as portraying these people as something they're not. It must remain honest. Not just to the facts of what happened but also the motivation of the individuals. Though you have to respect what he's done/is (I mean in regards to possessing the unique assets it takes to be in any sort special forces group), as a person I don't like the guy. Seems way too wound up in the above interview.
As I understand it, the movie is about as accurate to what actually happened as they come. And go see the movie and watch what they all went through and you'll probably understand why he is so defensive of the mission.

I saw it last night and it's difficult to watch knowing that it's a true story and what happens to them.

Anyone know why they didn't just hold the goat herders captive until they could get some radio contact?
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FastEddy 1/15/2014 10:29am
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As I understand it, the movie is about as accurate to what actually happened as they come. And go see the movie and watch what they...
As I understand it, the movie is about as accurate to what actually happened as they come. And go see the movie and watch what they all went through and you'll probably understand why he is so defensive of the mission.

I saw it last night and it's difficult to watch knowing that it's a true story and what happens to them.

Anyone know why they didn't just hold the goat herders captive until they could get some radio contact?
"Anyone know why they didn't just hold the goat herders captive until they could get some radio contact?"

They waited as long as they could with all those goats around.
There was lack of cover in that area....it was only a matter of time before all the goats could have drawn attention(from hanging in that spot) from the village.They didn't want to draw attention with all the goats around even if they killed the herders (by knife silently) or took them captive for a long time.They would have had to of killed all the goats - that could have compromised them even more.
They wanted out of there ASAP once they were compromised.
Murphy was the team leader and actually made the call on letting them go so that they could exfil ASAP.
They chose a bad area to try to make successful coms for their exfil.
Not sure what other options they had.
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motosmith 1/15/2014 10:47am
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I don't understand why they stayed in the area after they let the herders go. I would have double timed it out of there fast.
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FastEddy 1/15/2014 10:58am
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I don't understand why they stayed in the area after they let the herders go. I would have double timed it out of there fast.
They sorta did.
They went to an area that Murphy decided on to try to get coms.
Where they were at was a real treacherous rugged area at about 9,200 feet high without much cover.
Just going off in a random direction for miles & miles could have messed up a successful exfil had they made coms.
Plus there is no telling who else they would have ran into...
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huck 1/15/2014 11:13am
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After the helicopter was shot down, why weren't more troops sent?
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FastEddy 1/15/2014 11:25am
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After the helicopter was shot down, why weren't more troops sent?
More were....
They sent in a team of Rangers from 3rd Ranger Battalion.
They came all the way from the way from the US.
It took 18 hours for them to be on the ground there.
They needed a team that was capable of negotiating the terrain and pulling off a recovery.
They just wouldn't send in a bunch of random guys/troops.
The Rangers that went in there described the terrain as hellish & miserable.
Some didnt even wear their chest plates because it would have tired them out so much - the extra weight.
It took them many hours just to move small distances due to the terrain.
It took them days to barely cover any real distances.
They set up little camps to rest with land mines around them.

This photo was taken on the recovery mission by a team medic I believe.

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Old-Man 1/15/2014 11:38am
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Motocross83 wrote:
I will definitely try and catch this. My only reservation before seeing it is that I think there's always a danger with these things as portraying...
I will definitely try and catch this. My only reservation before seeing it is that I think there's always a danger with these things as portraying these people as something they're not. It must remain honest. Not just to the facts of what happened but also the motivation of the individuals. Though you have to respect what he's done/is (I mean in regards to possessing the unique assets it takes to be in any sort special forces group), as a person I don't like the guy. Seems way too wound up in the above interview.
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How did he seem "wound up"? You mean after the interviewer insinuated that he was "helpless", or when the interviewer stated that his brothers deaths were...
How did he seem "wound up"? You mean after the interviewer insinuated that he was "helpless", or when the interviewer stated that his brothers deaths were "senseless"?
Looks like at 4:05 there was an edit. Probably because Luttrell was ready to knock the dudes head off. Wahlberg moving around in his chair senses the uneasiness of the question.

When Luttrell confirms with Wahlberg that the movie " Is pretty close to what really happened" is enough for me to watch it and I am not a movie-goer by any means. How many Movies reflect what really went on or happened? Most of the time Hollywood adds so much drama to get ticket sales that it misses what really happened. By the sounds of it this one nailed it.
confirmed by the Man himself.
Amazing for sure
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Motocross83 wrote:
I will definitely try and catch this. My only reservation before seeing it is that I think there's always a danger with these things as portraying...
I will definitely try and catch this. My only reservation before seeing it is that I think there's always a danger with these things as portraying these people as something they're not. It must remain honest. Not just to the facts of what happened but also the motivation of the individuals. Though you have to respect what he's done/is (I mean in regards to possessing the unique assets it takes to be in any sort special forces group), as a person I don't like the guy. Seems way too wound up in the above interview.
huck wrote:
How did he seem "wound up"? You mean after the interviewer insinuated that he was "helpless", or when the interviewer stated that his brothers deaths were...
How did he seem "wound up"? You mean after the interviewer insinuated that he was "helpless", or when the interviewer stated that his brothers deaths were "senseless"?
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Looks like at 4:05 there was an edit. Probably because Luttrell was ready to knock the dudes head off. Wahlberg moving around in his chair senses...
Looks like at 4:05 there was an edit. Probably because Luttrell was ready to knock the dudes head off. Wahlberg moving around in his chair senses the uneasiness of the question.

When Luttrell confirms with Wahlberg that the movie " Is pretty close to what really happened" is enough for me to watch it and I am not a movie-goer by any means. How many Movies reflect what really went on or happened? Most of the time Hollywood adds so much drama to get ticket sales that it misses what really happened. By the sounds of it this one nailed it.
confirmed by the Man himself.
Amazing for sure
Definitely an edit around 4:05.
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FastEddy 1/15/2014 11:52am
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The Smithsonian channel did a cool documentary on the rescue mission some time ago.
The helicopter landing just to get him out of the village was pretty hairy.
I will see if I can find the documentary online and post it.

Edit: here is the preview of it.
I will keep looking and see is I can find the full documentary.

https://youtu.be/j8xKLZO4WSc

Another preview of the show...
Still cant find the full documentary anywhere.

https://youtu.be/sRWTDR11X8k

And yet another excerpt from it.

Taliban Gambit from Simon Fanthorpe on Vimeo.

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FastEddy wrote:
The Smithsonian channel did a cool documentary on the rescue mission some time ago. The helicopter landing just to get him out of the village was...
The Smithsonian channel did a cool documentary on the rescue mission some time ago.
The helicopter landing just to get him out of the village was pretty hairy.
I will see if I can find the documentary online and post it.

Edit: here is the preview of it.
I will keep looking and see is I can find the full documentary.

https://youtu.be/j8xKLZO4WSc

Another preview of the show...
Still cant find the full documentary anywhere.

https://youtu.be/sRWTDR11X8k

And yet another excerpt from it.

Taliban Gambit from Simon Fanthorpe on Vimeo.

That'd be awesome. Thank you.
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IWreckALot 1/15/2014 12:09pm
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Motocross83 wrote:
I will definitely try and catch this. My only reservation before seeing it is that I think there's always a danger with these things as portraying...
I will definitely try and catch this. My only reservation before seeing it is that I think there's always a danger with these things as portraying these people as something they're not. It must remain honest. Not just to the facts of what happened but also the motivation of the individuals. Though you have to respect what he's done/is (I mean in regards to possessing the unique assets it takes to be in any sort special forces group), as a person I don't like the guy. Seems way too wound up in the above interview.
huck wrote:
How did he seem "wound up"? You mean after the interviewer insinuated that he was "helpless", or when the interviewer stated that his brothers deaths were...
How did he seem "wound up"? You mean after the interviewer insinuated that he was "helpless", or when the interviewer stated that his brothers deaths were "senseless"?
Old-Man wrote:
Looks like at 4:05 there was an edit. Probably because Luttrell was ready to knock the dudes head off. Wahlberg moving around in his chair senses...
Looks like at 4:05 there was an edit. Probably because Luttrell was ready to knock the dudes head off. Wahlberg moving around in his chair senses the uneasiness of the question.

When Luttrell confirms with Wahlberg that the movie " Is pretty close to what really happened" is enough for me to watch it and I am not a movie-goer by any means. How many Movies reflect what really went on or happened? Most of the time Hollywood adds so much drama to get ticket sales that it misses what really happened. By the sounds of it this one nailed it.
confirmed by the Man himself.
Amazing for sure
I see an average of one or two movies a year. This one is probably the one most worth my time. The movie makes you realize the sacrifice our soldiers make for the country. There's no way you can say thank you enough.

I wish these guys were given some sort of protocol in situations like these to where they don't have to worry about facing war criminal charges when they get home. I'm not saying they did the wrong thing by letting the goat herders go, it was a call that they made at the time. But if they weren't afraid of being hung at the stake when they got home, maybe they would have made a different decision.

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APLMAN99 1/15/2014 12:33pm
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I didn't see any of the questions as being disrespectful to any of the soldiers involved, but more as questioning the tactics and rules of engagement dictated to them from above. I do think that if your defenses are already raised, as someone suggested, it could definitely come off in the wrong way, though.

Watching the excerpts I've seen, it seems like both the interviewer and Luttrell acted fine.
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motosmith 1/15/2014 12:54pm
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huck wrote:
How did he seem "wound up"? You mean after the interviewer insinuated that he was "helpless", or when the interviewer stated that his brothers deaths were...
How did he seem "wound up"? You mean after the interviewer insinuated that he was "helpless", or when the interviewer stated that his brothers deaths were "senseless"?
Old-Man wrote:
Looks like at 4:05 there was an edit. Probably because Luttrell was ready to knock the dudes head off. Wahlberg moving around in his chair senses...
Looks like at 4:05 there was an edit. Probably because Luttrell was ready to knock the dudes head off. Wahlberg moving around in his chair senses the uneasiness of the question.

When Luttrell confirms with Wahlberg that the movie " Is pretty close to what really happened" is enough for me to watch it and I am not a movie-goer by any means. How many Movies reflect what really went on or happened? Most of the time Hollywood adds so much drama to get ticket sales that it misses what really happened. By the sounds of it this one nailed it.
confirmed by the Man himself.
Amazing for sure
IWreckALot wrote:
I see an average of one or two movies a year. This one is probably the one most worth my time. The movie makes you realize...
I see an average of one or two movies a year. This one is probably the one most worth my time. The movie makes you realize the sacrifice our soldiers make for the country. There's no way you can say thank you enough.

I wish these guys were given some sort of protocol in situations like these to where they don't have to worry about facing war criminal charges when they get home. I'm not saying they did the wrong thing by letting the goat herders go, it was a call that they made at the time. But if they weren't afraid of being hung at the stake when they got home, maybe they would have made a different decision.
Not to mention the fact that we are the only country that follows rules of engagement. I'm pretty sure the Taliban would not let American herders walk away unharmed.
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APLMAN99 1/15/2014 1:15pm
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Not to mention the fact that we are the only country that follows rules of engagement. I'm pretty sure the Taliban would not let American herders...
Not to mention the fact that we are the only country that follows rules of engagement. I'm pretty sure the Taliban would not let American herders walk away unharmed.
Uh, I'm pretty sure that every army has rules of engagement based on situations that arise. The Taliban probably wouldn't be considered an "army", however.
Perhaps you meant something other than "rules of engagement"?
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FastEddy 1/15/2014 1:29pm
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That'd be awesome. Thank you.
Dude, I found the full video.
However, it's blocked in the USA.
Here's the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBUDioN02TU (right click & open in NEW TAB so that you visit the youtube page)
However,you'll need this FireFox plugin to view it.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-unblocker/
You instal that - then just visit the page and wait for it to unblock it.
It works good and i just tested it and it worked for me.
Here is a screen shot.
It tricks youtube into thinking you're in another country by using a highspeed proxy - so that you are able to view it.

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FastEddy 1/15/2014 1:57pm
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Not to mention the fact that we are the only country that follows rules of engagement. I'm pretty sure the Taliban would not let American herders...
Not to mention the fact that we are the only country that follows rules of engagement. I'm pretty sure the Taliban would not let American herders walk away unharmed.
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Uh, I'm pretty sure that every army has rules of engagement based on situations that arise. The Taliban probably wouldn't be considered an "army", however. Perhaps...
Uh, I'm pretty sure that every army has rules of engagement based on situations that arise. The Taliban probably wouldn't be considered an "army", however.
Perhaps you meant something other than "rules of engagement"?
Yeah...they are Mujahideen /Hillmen Extremeist.
Not really an organized conventional Army.


....and Smith.
Our allies followed the same ROE's we do in Iraq & Afghanistan.
Canadian forces,Polish Grom,Royal Marines & SAS,Aussie SOCOMD...ect.
Those dudes don't go around planting IED's & beheading people.
They are highly trained and professional. Smile
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Its bad ass just seen it
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huck wrote:
That'd be awesome. Thank you.
FastEddy wrote:
Dude, I found the full video. However, it's blocked in the USA. Here's the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBUDioN02TU (right click & open in NEW TAB so that you...
Dude, I found the full video.
However, it's blocked in the USA.
Here's the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBUDioN02TU (right click & open in NEW TAB so that you visit the youtube page)
However,you'll need this FireFox plugin to view it.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-unblocker/
You instal that - then just visit the page and wait for it to unblock it.
It works good and i just tested it and it worked for me.
Here is a screen shot.
It tricks youtube into thinking you're in another country by using a highspeed proxy - so that you are able to view it.

FastEddy, thanks for a link. Definitely gonna watch it today.
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Old-Man 1/16/2014 10:39pm
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Wouldn't be surprise if Luttrell gave all the guys Families that were with him % of the royalty's he is going to get
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MXisLIFE 1/17/2014 4:32am
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Wouldn't be surprise if Luttrell gave all the guys Families that were with him % of the royalty's he is going to get
No I bet Peter Berg gives them their own share as well considering they were involved with the film as well
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MXisLIFE 1/17/2014 4:33am
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I thought it was pretty cool they put Marcus in some parts of the movie
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They changed certain parts in the movie that weren't in the book. The helicopter full of SEALs wasn't actually shot down right in front of Marcus like the movie depicted. If I remember correctly from the book (read it like 4 years ago), it was shot down by where Marcus and his team were dropped off at. Marcus didn't even know about the crash until after he was rescued. Also, the whole ending makes it seem like he was only in that little village for a night, but he was actually there closer to a week. However, the movie was very accurate as to the situation of the mission, the characters, and their deaths, which to me, is the most important part to get right. I also don't remember Lutrell mentioning needing to be revived after being rescued like they showed in the movie, but I could be wrong. It's been a while since I read the book, but those were the biggest differences I saw.
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IWreckALot 1/17/2014 10:41am
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Huevos wrote:
They changed certain parts in the movie that weren't in the book. The helicopter full of SEALs wasn't actually shot down right in front of Marcus...
They changed certain parts in the movie that weren't in the book. The helicopter full of SEALs wasn't actually shot down right in front of Marcus like the movie depicted. If I remember correctly from the book (read it like 4 years ago), it was shot down by where Marcus and his team were dropped off at. Marcus didn't even know about the crash until after he was rescued. Also, the whole ending makes it seem like he was only in that little village for a night, but he was actually there closer to a week. However, the movie was very accurate as to the situation of the mission, the characters, and their deaths, which to me, is the most important part to get right. I also don't remember Lutrell mentioning needing to be revived after being rescued like they showed in the movie, but I could be wrong. It's been a while since I read the book, but those were the biggest differences I saw.
I want to say that the book shared a couple of details that would have made the whole theater lose it and cry. The book said that when the marine that went on top of the rock to make the phone call (drawing a blank on his name) got shot, he kept calling for Marcus to help him but Marcus couldn't get to him. There was also something different about the dude that died on top of the ledge before the second drop. Don't recall exactly what it was.

I agree though, if it got Luttrell's sign off, it's a legit depictation of what happened.

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