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Regarding the 19 guys, the problem is we can't seem to pick a single thing and explore that to the end. I would love to stay on the thermite subject before moving on. I assume it is still your (and many others) belief that thermite brought down WTC7? And none of these engineers who want the truth have performed any experiments proving it is even possible for that to have happened?
Or go look .
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http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html#pro…
Again, the question is ask , is how this stuff comes to be there , if it was nothing to do with the Towers. Irrespective of how it was collected , it exists, and is found even to this day .
To be honest, the existance of Thermate isnt a secret of any sort, and the existance of military grade stuff is accepted as fact also.
http://www.911myths.com/html/traces_of_thermate_at_the_wtc.html
And even if I were to be convinced that it was thermite in the sample (which I'm not) and even if I was then convinced that it came from key structural locations in the buildings that fell, but happened to be some that didn't ignite, which of course would have been dispersed all over the city evenly to end up in those samples, but I would also have to believe something like a commenter says in this link (just something I ran across that seems to sum up my struggles with the big picture of where that would have to lead):
http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2011/05/has-nanothermite-been-oversold-…
What is ludicrous is the idea that members of the government conspired to use hijacking by known Islamic terrorists as a cover for controlled demolition of WTC & the associated deaths of 3000 citizens by means of secret methods yet unexplained & unrevealed to provide justification for going to war against rogue and hostile states so as to enrich various parties. The conspiracy theories become increasingly elaborate & exotic as their flaws are revealed, but this only encourages the conspiracy theorists to press onward.
There was no molten steel observed by anyone. At most, there was glowing-hot steel, or steel that had been eroded at some point; but, no one saw molten steel at WTC.
Aluminum melts at a fairly low temperature. When it first melts, it is silvery in color, but as it is heated beyond its initial melting point, it begins to glow in other colors. Around 600° C, aluminum glows yellowish, & by 900° C, it glows orange.
WTC had a lot of things in it that would burn, ranging from paper & wood to the very iron & aluminum making up the columns. It is possible that water reacted with metallic aluminum to produce hydrogen gas, which then either burned hot enough to cause rapid oxidation of iron structures & breakdown of gypsum & concrete, or accumulated until it reached explosive concentration. This same process blew the concrete roofs off the buildings at the nuclear reactors in Japan, except the metal involved was zirconium instead of aluminum.
Iron oxidizes even at room temperature, but its rate of oxidation increases w/ increasing temperature. At sufficient temperature, iron oxidizes rapidly enough to sustain its own chemical reaction, that is, it burns.
WTC was a mass of 500k tons of concrete, steel & aluminum, plus various organics found in office buildings & airliners. Several floors were heated beyond 500° C by fires, some even reaching 1000° C. When these were buried under an insulating blanket of dust, they retained their heat & continued reacting chemically, releasing more heat.
I work with Zirconium... its very strange stuff. And nothing like aluminium.
whichever way you look at it ... if you look at the whole picture, its just too many co-incidences and incompetencies for my liking... bear in mind nobody has been reprimanded or jailed , or sacked for incompetence .
I recall Fetzer being one of the early dissenting voices on this , but he seems to have changed his tune .
This whole subject is as immotive as religion , probably worse in some ways , but i am ultmately suspicious of anything that is so massively surpressed... they may have been able to pull it off in 1963, but in 2001 it was a different world.
We have already seen the Syrian Chemical weapons thing fall over , mainy thanks to people on the ground getting the info out before the MSM can get their act together, i guess because my general demeanour is to question everything , as a matter of course, i start at the opposite end of things to you.
Whether this is the place to carry this on ... maybe we just agree to disagree , and if we ever get the full access to the stuff we are forbidden from seeing , perhaps things will be a little clearer
Can Lenny post in the dumbgeon?
Its not the fact that they didnt do it .......its the fact that they stand in front of they way of anyone who is prepared to do a peer reviewed investigation. That tells me there is something to hide. Else they wouldnt be hiding it .. what other reason is there ??
Forget this 'they couldnt , they wouldnt' , and ask why they put more money and effort in to keeping stuff secret , then investigating it , and only a fraction of the money investigating Clintons BJ
Thanks guys.
As for the energy beams.... i have seen no evidence of that , but i havent paid particular attention to that either. What bit i have read , tells me its possble, but also unlikely , mainly due to the need of a huge power source... which would have stood out. Also the scenario didnt need it . Everything was pretty much covered.
1) Thermite was placed at key locations of the 2 towers and bldg 7 by some government agency either without being detected by or in cooperation with building security at those locations, even though thermite has never previously been used to demolish a building.
2) The government hired known terrorists to fly passenger jets full of people into the towers as a cover story to the thermite demolition.
3) They confiscated all of the video from the Pentagon so you couldn't see that it wasn't a 3rd passenger jet that flew into it but instead a cruise missile. They immediately went out and knocked down some light poles and sprinkled bits of airplane around the courtyard and paid off many motorists on the freeway to say they saw an airplane.
4) They plotted all of this including the deaths of thousands of Americans so they had justification to invade other countries and spend the tax money of all the remaining living Americans (at least the rich ones) on unjust wars.
5) Everyone involved has stayed tight lipped about all of this.
Does that about sum up your scenario? Makes sense I guess.
I'm waiting for Godzilla and flying saucers to show up here.
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The big issue is accepting that the govt serves their own interests, and not ours, and will do whatever it takes to ensure that carries on.
A lot of it is down to MSM being controlled by those that stand to benefit from playing the game.. and so most folk dont get to know what is really going on.
Well there you have it.
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