WTF,Youth MX Helmets?----

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Edited Date/Time 12/6/2013 11:57am
It seems there is a shortage of quality helmets available in a kid sized shell? Why is it I have to wait until my kid is big enough to wear a huge bubble head adult sized helmet until I can buy something quality?
This seems to be a "can't see the forest for the trees" topic. MX'ers are cheap but how many quit riding once their kid gets a concussion partially due to inferior equipment? I can get a high end neck brace/boots, etc. but not one high end helmet sized for kids?..................
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12/5/2013 4:06pm
Honestly, how many kids are going fast enough to get a serious concussion...

You can get Shoei's, Arai's, and 6D's for kids. How do you not know that?
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12/5/2013 4:07pm
Also, you say you can get high end boots for kids. What? No you can't. You have it backwards sir.
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12/5/2013 4:09pm
Grizz wrote:
Also, you say you can get high end boots for kids. What? No you can't. You have it backwards sir.
Yep, Gaerne makes a great boot for kids. Show me one high end helmet in a kids sized shell?..............
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BTW, I am not talking about 85 riders I am talking about 50-65 sized kids. And if you think kids on 50's don't go big/fast you're way out of touch......................

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12/5/2013 4:10pm Edited Date/Time 12/5/2013 4:15pm
I'm getting you a picture right now. There are only a handful of 50 riders that can go "big/fast."
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12/5/2013 4:13pm Edited Date/Time 12/5/2013 4:14pm
Take a look. I spy 2 50cc riders with 6D helmets, and 1 one a Shoei. There's also a photo with a plethora of kids, all wearing quality helmets.

mxptv.com/photo/photos-mini-os-thursday-mx/
12/5/2013 4:14pm Edited Date/Time 12/5/2013 4:14pm
Fly seems to make some quality helmets for kids, looks like a smaller shell like the full size helmets

Fly Racing Youth Kinetic Pro Trey Canard Replica

Also, if I remember correctly, some of the cheaper helmets tested better in MX style crash testing (low speed) which is what 6D is going after with their design.
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12/5/2013 4:25pm
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Take a look. I spy 2 50cc riders with 6D helmets, and 1 one a Shoei. There's also a photo with a plethora of kids, all...
Take a look. I spy 2 50cc riders with 6D helmets, and 1 one a Shoei. There's also a photo with a plethora of kids, all wearing quality helmets.

mxptv.com/photo/photos-mini-os-thursday-mx/
That's a parents choice to run a adult shell on a small head. I choose not to due to size and weight. Maybe read the first post again where I specifically address that? I have researched this just a wee bit. Show me where I can buy a high-end helmet for a head size smaller than an adult XS?

Ryan, We are running the older Fly Trophys (brand new but 2012 model) which was a bit better made, imo, than the Kinetic but would prefer to buy something better. It just seems the kid market is all ultra-cheap crap............
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12/5/2013 4:33pm Edited Date/Time 12/5/2013 4:35pm
There's just no pleasing you. Check it out. These don't look like adult helmets to me...


Not to mention that 199 is one of the fastest 50cc riders in the world right now. If it's good enough for his head, I'm sure it will be okay for you kids.
12/5/2013 4:34pm
For sure, it would be nice to see someone make a solid helmet for youth sizes

However I have seen a ton of kids (as young as 5) wear the shoeis and not like they are wearing some massive thing.
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12/5/2013 4:43pm
Grizz wrote:
There's just no pleasing you. Check it out. These don't look like adult helmets to me... [img]https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1451328_621992787862004_1106521871_n.jpg[/img] Not to mention that 199 is one of the...
There's just no pleasing you. Check it out. These don't look like adult helmets to me...


Not to mention that 199 is one of the fastest 50cc riders in the world right now. If it's good enough for his head, I'm sure it will be okay for you kids.
They are adult extra small helmets? That's a fact so why are you arguing about it? Go to any manufacturer site and look. 6d is supposed to have kids sizes out at some point but not available yet. When they are I will buy one. That said, that's only one brand. Send me a link to a kids sized Arai, Shoei, etc......

Also, those kids are on SR50's so on the older end of the spectrum so some of them will be fine wearing an adult shell.

From your responses you don't have kids so please keep telling me I don't know what I am talking about. I have two boys and we don't take MX that seriously but they were jumping 50+ feet by 6 years old. A 5 year old on a PW50 can get a serious concussion. Read up a bit on concussion injuries and post back................
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If you want a a helmet that specifically smaller, you can buy one. If money is no object. My point is, half the 50 class is wearing quality helmets. The point you're making doesn't make any sense to me.
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12/5/2013 6:45pm
Grizz wrote:
If you want a a helmet that specifically smaller, you can buy one. If money is no object. My point is, half the 50 class is...
If you want a a helmet that specifically smaller, you can buy one. If money is no object. My point is, half the 50 class is wearing quality helmets. The point you're making doesn't make any sense to me.
For the third time post a link or stop replying if that doesn't make sense You seem to be a bit dense?....
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12/5/2013 8:20pm Edited Date/Time 12/5/2013 8:23pm
Gotta agree with Grizz your point doesn't make any sense... But I looked around anyway youth mediums are just a hair smaller than an XS TLD SE3... I got youth sizes from a Fox V1 youth helmet and size chart from TLD... And this is why I don't see your point the difference is so small...

Fox V1 Youth;

For proper fit and size measure the circumference of your head 1" above your eyebrows and around the largest portion of the back of your head.
18 1/2" - 18 7/8"------- Youth Small
19 1/4" - 19 3/4"------- Youth Medium
20" - 20 1/2"----------- Youth Large

TLD Size Chart;

SE3 / AIR Helmets
Helmet Size CM Inches
X-Small 53 to 54 20 to 20-1/4
Small 54 to 56 21-1/4 to 22
Medium 56 to 58 22 to 22-3/4
Large 58 to 60 22-3/4 to 23-5/8
X-Large 60 to 62 23-5/8 to 24-1/2
XX-Large 62 to 63 24-1/2 to 24-7/8
Shell Sizes: XS-L XL-XXL
EPS Sizes: XS-S M-L XL-XXL
*Headliners and Cheekpads can be interchanged within the same EPS size.
SE3 Cheekpads are interchangable through the entire size range.
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12/5/2013 10:55pm
Tracktor wrote:
It seems there is a shortage of quality helmets available in a kid sized shell? Why is it I have to wait until my kid is...
It seems there is a shortage of quality helmets available in a kid sized shell? Why is it I have to wait until my kid is big enough to wear a huge bubble head adult sized helmet until I can buy something quality?
This seems to be a "can't see the forest for the trees" topic. MX'ers are cheap but how many quit riding once their kid gets a concussion partially due to inferior equipment? I can get a high end neck brace/boots, etc. but not one high end helmet sized for kids?..................
I didn't read through this whole thing, but FOX offers kids sizes along with BELL and FLY. TLD also has kids sizes, my son has the P-51 gear and they have a helmet to match. My son is 5 and I bought his first FOX helmet at 4 yrs old. Not to bad mouth other brands, but I know your concern of having a XS adult helmet on your youth child. My friend got one for his son and it was HUGE on him and at 6 yrs old, he was like a bobble head. The FLY helmet he bought was a much better fit, proportionate. That's 4 quality brands right there for 4-7 age range.
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I think you're dense.

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I can't find any pictures of 50 riders at Mini O's NOT wearing quality helmets.
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12/5/2013 11:08pm
My boy wears a Fox V1 I believe, well made and fits his head really well. Maybe give them a look, comes in some nice color ways as well!
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12/6/2013 12:49am
The XS Shoei actually is pretty damn small. Have the kid try one on...Almost to small for my 9 year old.
12/6/2013 1:30am
Arai do a Youth specific VX Pro and it is THE best available in my opinion. Drop me a PM if you need any more info.....

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12/6/2013 4:36am
Grizz wrote:
I think you're dense. [img]https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1452512_10152739401585931_57962760_n.jpg[/img]
I think you're dense.

The orange one on the right looks sick! Is that a custom paint job?
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Grizz wrote:
I think you're dense. [img]https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1452512_10152739401585931_57962760_n.jpg[/img]
I think you're dense.

This picture is awesome. Here's the same picture 15 years in the future, haha.

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12/6/2013 6:02am
Grizz wrote:
Honestly, how many kids are going fast enough to get a serious concussion... You can get Shoei's, Arai's, and 6D's for kids. How do you not...
Honestly, how many kids are going fast enough to get a serious concussion...

You can get Shoei's, Arai's, and 6D's for kids. How do you not know that?
Can probably lower the risk of neck injuries too with lighter weight etc.
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12/6/2013 9:50am
Both my kids run Bells,not sure of the sizes, but they're 4 and 8
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Arai do a Youth specific VX Pro and it is THE best available in my opinion. Drop me a PM if you need any more info...
Arai do a Youth specific VX Pro and it is THE best available in my opinion. Drop me a PM if you need any more info.....

I will be following up with you. Waiting to see if 6d offers youth size soon so we can look at that option also.

Many manufacturers offer a kids sized helmet but they are all in the budget line & kinda cheaply made once you look at them. The xxs are still an adult sized shell which is a band-aid, imo. That Shoei from Dennis Kirk is a lower line long discontinued. I actually bought one last year and was not impressed at all. It's on the shelf after a few rides..........
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12/6/2013 10:34am
Grizz wrote:
Honestly, how many kids are going fast enough to get a serious concussion... You can get Shoei's, Arai's, and 6D's for kids. How do you not...
Honestly, how many kids are going fast enough to get a serious concussion...

You can get Shoei's, Arai's, and 6D's for kids. How do you not know that?
Many kids going plenty fast enough for a concussion. My son got one at Gatorback 3 years ago on a 50. Threw up for several hours, couldn't ride for 2 months. Heck just this year the lap times of a lot of the kids on 65s were just as fast as the C riders. The horsepower to weight ratio on the 50/65's is crazy. This bikes are fast and so are a lot of the riders.

As for helmets, most have different size shells for the xs and small sizes. And if you go with a Bell or similar weight is not an issue. Most of the top end helmets weigh less than the under $100 kid helmets.
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12/6/2013 11:08am
Grizz wrote:
There's just no pleasing you. Check it out. These don't look like adult helmets to me... [img]https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1451328_621992787862004_1106521871_n.jpg[/img] Not to mention that 199 is one of the...
There's just no pleasing you. Check it out. These don't look like adult helmets to me...


Not to mention that 199 is one of the fastest 50cc riders in the world right now. If it's good enough for his head, I'm sure it will be okay for you kids.
Tracktor wrote:
They are adult extra small helmets? That's a fact so why are you arguing about it? Go to any manufacturer site and look. 6d is supposed...
They are adult extra small helmets? That's a fact so why are you arguing about it? Go to any manufacturer site and look. 6d is supposed to have kids sizes out at some point but not available yet. When they are I will buy one. That said, that's only one brand. Send me a link to a kids sized Arai, Shoei, etc......

Also, those kids are on SR50's so on the older end of the spectrum so some of them will be fine wearing an adult shell.

From your responses you don't have kids so please keep telling me I don't know what I am talking about. I have two boys and we don't take MX that seriously but they were jumping 50+ feet by 6 years old. A 5 year old on a PW50 can get a serious concussion. Read up a bit on concussion injuries and post back................
I have kids. They have worn the shoei XS since 6 and 8 respectively. They still wear Shoei. The XS is about 3 lbs.
what is the issue with it? It is actually a smaller shell size. The only thing adult about it is the price.

My youngest is a great rider, but used to 'rag doll' over rough stuff and longer jumps when he was young. His head would roll and bobble. It wasnt the helmet, it was him. I pulled him off the track and discussed this many times. Some kids are not mentally or physically ready for certain stuff like longer jumps, at five or six, even if they have the skill and desire. That's where good parenting comes in.
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12/6/2013 11:33am
I have a friend that is a doc in an ER, and tells me 10mph is all it takes to get a concussion with a helmet on.

So whether it is a beginner on a pw50...or the fasted 60cc rider in the country, both go fast enough to get a concussion and both deserve a helmet that is designed specifically for smaller heads (rather than an adult helmet modified for a smaller head).
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12/6/2013 11:57am Edited Date/Time 12/6/2013 11:58am
I think kids recover from concussions a lot better than adults do.

Fractured my skull once when I was a newborn, and another time when i was 5. Besides that i had a few bad concussions from jumping off of the porch behind the house(it was my favorite game.) And here I am today a junior in a mechanical engineering program. Not trying to smart guy anyone but it does prove that Im not retarded.

Concussions, Concussions, Concussions. I hope the world gets over this dumb obsession.

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