Loretta's 2015? 30+ class

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James, RC, Reed, Windham! Just like old times!Woohoo Hopefully it will happen!
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rcm406 11/8/2013 7:46am
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Crap, just realized James won't be 30 until Dec. 2015! oh well, maybe 2016!
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OSJ 11/8/2013 7:57am
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what ever happened to amateur nationals being amateur???
rocketsocks26 11/8/2013 8:39am
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yea keep it amateur! I wouldn't even consider trying if that's what ya gotta run into at the end...
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OSJ wrote:
what ever happened to amateur nationals being amateur???
Once they take a Full Pro season off: they can race the A class. No problem for me. Raising the "stakes" never bothers me. Hell, I 'Moved Up' after 5 years off (Last Weekend at eh Vet-Worlds)...because, I WANT to race with a Faster Crowd and become a Better Racer & Rider.

Oh, btw, I'm 50.

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nicski15 11/8/2013 8:48am
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I don't see why it matters whos there.. After so many years there technically ameteurs. If Im not able to win motos at Lorettas id rather get a 15th being beat bye the best guys ever, then get a 10th, getting beat by guys Ive never heard of.. That's just me tho.
Carlton_Fartman 11/8/2013 8:51am
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Lorettas 30+ is B/C. You need a good excuse to be considered a B rider again. Riders that scored points would probably have a hard argument...
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TeamGreen 11/8/2013 9:02am
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Carlton_Fartman wrote:
Lorettas 30+ is B/C. You need a good excuse to be considered a B rider again. Riders that scored points would probably have a hard argument...
The guys y'all are tlaking about WILL NOT be allowed to race B/C...then again...those that make the most noise PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE EITHER.

But, that's just me...

I'll tell ya what: I'll be a Loretta's...I'll bring my Lap-Top...we'll go all Super-Google on the entrants and see who's raced what and when...

So, see ya there!
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mx317 11/8/2013 3:20pm
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I checked the results of the 2012 +50 class at Loretta's and 11 of the 20 had scored national points.
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Shawn142 11/8/2013 3:49pm
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You have to be 2 years removed from racing a professional event and as previously mentioned the +30 is a novice class. But Ferry and Reed already hit up Dade City in the +25 A class earlier this year.
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BAMX 11/8/2013 4:00pm
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Every big race has guys that are fast enough to be trophying in the next class. It has always been that way and always will be that way. Personally, I am more proud of my 10th place Mammoth bear than any of the 1st place local trophies. If you just like shiny things, go to the trophy store and go crazy.
lostboy819 11/8/2013 4:13pm
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The LL vet classes are the worst, you get all these guys who could not win at home then start going through the entry list and whining to DC about all the guys who should not be there. Its pathetic to see these back of the pack riders cry about the fast guys. It happens every year. Then they all cry "its my dream" to race at LLs and some fast guys ruin it .Blush
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lostboy819 wrote:
The LL vet classes are the worst, you get all these guys who could not win at home then start going through the entry list and...
The LL vet classes are the worst, you get all these guys who could not win at home then start going through the entry list and whining to DC about all the guys who should not be there. Its pathetic to see these back of the pack riders cry about the fast guys. It happens every year. Then they all cry "its my dream" to race at LLs and some fast guys ruin it .Blush
Hey Ricky Hannah, why don't you step up to the plate show us whats up? Post up some of your big amateur race finishes with the big dogs.......or you just here to talk shit like always?
lostboy819 11/8/2013 8:06pm
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I have never bitched about who was in my class because it makes no difference but it looks like it struck a nerve with you. Sounds like you are a guy who does his racing off the track. I have had my share of winning and way more of my share of losing but I have never even thought about protesting another rider because they were faster.
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JB 19 11/8/2013 9:07pm
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lostboy819 wrote:
I have never bitched about who was in my class because it makes no difference but it looks like it struck a nerve with you. Sounds...
I have never bitched about who was in my class because it makes no difference but it looks like it struck a nerve with you. Sounds like you are a guy who does his racing off the track. I have had my share of winning and way more of my share of losing but I have never even thought about protesting another rider because they were faster.
I've done my share of racing on the track and could post some proof if you would like. My last race being the vet national at Red Bud, which was my first race in 7 years. I rode 30 B. Figured my first race back I would to get to mix it up with some Lorettas guys and see where I stood. Had fun and didn't leave in an ambulance.

How about you? You play king motocross on here enough. Lets hear how great you are.
lostboy819 11/8/2013 9:23pm
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LOL your just a young pup, Hell I bet I have crashed out of more races than you have been in.
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OSJ 11/8/2013 10:08pm
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lostboy819 wrote:
The LL vet classes are the worst, you get all these guys who could not win at home then start going through the entry list and...
The LL vet classes are the worst, you get all these guys who could not win at home then start going through the entry list and whining to DC about all the guys who should not be there. Its pathetic to see these back of the pack riders cry about the fast guys. It happens every year. Then they all cry "its my dream" to race at LLs and some fast guys ruin it .Blush
ive raced LL's and still don't think that pros be them local or national should be allowed to enter.

nothing amateur about RC, reed, etc...
lostboy819 11/8/2013 10:47pm
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lostboy819 wrote:
The LL vet classes are the worst, you get all these guys who could not win at home then start going through the entry list and...
The LL vet classes are the worst, you get all these guys who could not win at home then start going through the entry list and whining to DC about all the guys who should not be there. Its pathetic to see these back of the pack riders cry about the fast guys. It happens every year. Then they all cry "its my dream" to race at LLs and some fast guys ruin it .Blush
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ive raced LL's and still don't think that pros be them local or national should be allowed to enter.

nothing amateur about RC, reed, etc...
When they retire and sit out a few years I see no problem with them racing the 30 or 40 A class. Maybe they need a new class added to give them a class of there own but then again they don't have enough time to run the classes that they already have so I don't have the answer, I just know that racing needs to be done on the track and not by protest.
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Huckster 11/9/2013 3:44am
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They have Open vet classes, +25, +40, etc. I have no issue with former pros racing that and actually think its great to see them back at it. However, anyone who was fast enough to try to qualify for a national or SX at any time in their career has no business racing in a class that is designated B/C. To me, that is the worst type of sandbagging there is. To once have the speed to race at the top level and then to try to drop down is disgraceful and devoid of self-respect. It's much worse than the actual true B/C riders who complain about it happening.

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CnCRacing 11/9/2013 5:29am
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The rule states that if you have ever had a pro card you can not race +30B/C. Why does no one understand that? All of the other vet classes are open season.
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JB 19 11/9/2013 7:21am
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CnCRacing wrote:
The rule states that if you have ever had a pro card you can not race +30B/C. Why does no one understand that? All of the...
The rule states that if you have ever had a pro card you can not race +30B/C. Why does no one understand that? All of the other vet classes are open season.
Actually, it states if you have ever signed up in an "A" class race anywhere at any track including the lowest level of local racing. ....and this rule is only in effect at Loretta Lynns.

Just wanted to clarify that you don't have to have held a pro card or license to be exempt.
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dcg141 11/9/2013 7:47am
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I have always thought that a Vet Pro class run at select Outdoor Nats would be a big hit. If that is not possible for TV then a Vet Nat series on its own. One class open to any bike and anyone over age 30. If you did a stand alone series make it an over 30 and over 40. Davey??? What do you think?
lostboy819 11/9/2013 10:49am
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OSJ wrote:
what ever happened to amateur nationals being amateur???
But even in the B classes at LLs you have the guys like Cooper Webb and Adam Cianciarulo that are no where close to being a B rider and have been making money racing for years and have even raced in the A class at local races without losing their amateur status. Lots of places will let the fast B rider line up on the A gate and still score them as a B rider. Bottom line is that LLs is not a true amateur race and never has been. I agree that former Pro riders should not ride the B or C class but at this level there is no such thing as true amateur national.

For the record I have no problem with that. races like LLs and Ponca are all about the fastest of the fast and if you want to race then have at it , just do it on the track.
Carlton_Fartman 11/9/2013 6:11pm
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CnCRacing wrote:
The rule states that if you have ever had a pro card you can not race +30B/C. Why does no one understand that? All of the...
The rule states that if you have ever had a pro card you can not race +30B/C. Why does no one understand that? All of the other vet classes are open season.
JB 19 wrote:
Actually, it states if you have ever signed up in an "A" class race anywhere at any track including the lowest level of local racing. ....and...
Actually, it states if you have ever signed up in an "A" class race anywhere at any track including the lowest level of local racing. ....and this rule is only in effect at Loretta Lynns.

Just wanted to clarify that you don't have to have held a pro card or license to be exempt.
It may state that, but I personally know of at least one guy that held a pro card in the 90s that raced LL in the Vet B/C class a couple years ago. I don't think he ever actually raced nationals. And prior to 2006 there are no AMA records that are easy to look up anyway.

That Vet B/C class is retarded. It should be just 30+. If they want to make a rule that says you can't race for 2 or 5 years or after scoring a national point, so be it. Many of the guys in that class were super fast kids until life happened (jobs/kids/college/etc), took some time off of racing (but not necessarily riding), then make a big comeback racing to be "National Champ" against other guys in the same situation. Guys that could easily be mid-pack or better in Vet Expert class locally, but choose to go after the fame and fortune of winning the sandbagger class.
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ocscottie 11/9/2013 6:46pm
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JB 19 11/9/2013 6:52pm
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CnCRacing wrote:
The rule states that if you have ever had a pro card you can not race +30B/C. Why does no one understand that? All of the...
The rule states that if you have ever had a pro card you can not race +30B/C. Why does no one understand that? All of the other vet classes are open season.
JB 19 wrote:
Actually, it states if you have ever signed up in an "A" class race anywhere at any track including the lowest level of local racing. ....and...
Actually, it states if you have ever signed up in an "A" class race anywhere at any track including the lowest level of local racing. ....and this rule is only in effect at Loretta Lynns.

Just wanted to clarify that you don't have to have held a pro card or license to be exempt.
Carlton_Fartman wrote:
It may state that, but I personally know of at least one guy that held a pro card in the 90s that raced LL in the...
It may state that, but I personally know of at least one guy that held a pro card in the 90s that raced LL in the Vet B/C class a couple years ago. I don't think he ever actually raced nationals. And prior to 2006 there are no AMA records that are easy to look up anyway.

That Vet B/C class is retarded. It should be just 30+. If they want to make a rule that says you can't race for 2 or 5 years or after scoring a national point, so be it. Many of the guys in that class were super fast kids until life happened (jobs/kids/college/etc), took some time off of racing (but not necessarily riding), then make a big comeback racing to be "National Champ" against other guys in the same situation. Guys that could easily be mid-pack or better in Vet Expert class locally, but choose to go after the fame and fortune of winning the sandbagger class.
I have also said that it should just be 30+ like it used to be. I'll be 35 next year and could try for the 35+ class, but the problem with the B/C thing is it ruined the most popular vet class. Anyone who ever rode a few BS "A" class races can't ride 30+. They have to stay in the ultra fast 25+ clear through half of their 30's.

And like you said, those guys in the B/C class are really fast. There are no C riders. I raced against some top 10 Lorettas guys at the Red Bud vet race and they are fast. If anyone thinks they are goons who don't know which way the track goes then you haven't raced against them.
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Huckster 11/10/2013 3:30am
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I have also said that it should just be 30+ like it used to be. I'll be 35 next year and could try for the 35+...
I have also said that it should just be 30+ like it used to be. I'll be 35 next year and could try for the 35+ class, but the problem with the B/C thing is it ruined the most popular vet class. Anyone who ever rode a few BS "A" class races can't ride 30+. They have to stay in the ultra fast 25+ clear through half of their 30's.

And like you said, those guys in the B/C class are really fast. There are no C riders. I raced against some top 10 Lorettas guys at the Red Bud vet race and they are fast. If anyone thinks they are goons who don't know which way the track goes then you haven't raced against them.
Let me see if I get this. You're complaining that you have to race against 25 yr old+ A riders and think that if +30 were an open class you would have a better chance since you're 35 now? But you don't think you can make it in +35?

There needs to be a B/C vet class IMHO. In my area the Vet B/C classes are bigger that the A classes? The 30+ guys are the ones with some discretionary income and spend it. They are also made up of guys who are late to the sport but still have the passion to ride/race. MX Sports didn't need to bring back this class but they did because they understood the demographic and a few beers and some convincing in a hotel bar in FL may have helped. Now at least. The true 30 yr old amateur who will never be fast enough to have tried to race at the top level can at least have the opportunity to try and qualify for the Super Bowl of MX.
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JB 19 11/10/2013 3:51am
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I have also said that it should just be 30+ like it used to be. I'll be 35 next year and could try for the 35+...
I have also said that it should just be 30+ like it used to be. I'll be 35 next year and could try for the 35+ class, but the problem with the B/C thing is it ruined the most popular vet class. Anyone who ever rode a few BS "A" class races can't ride 30+. They have to stay in the ultra fast 25+ clear through half of their 30's.

And like you said, those guys in the B/C class are really fast. There are no C riders. I raced against some top 10 Lorettas guys at the Red Bud vet race and they are fast. If anyone thinks they are goons who don't know which way the track goes then you haven't raced against them.
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Let me see if I get this. You're complaining that you have to race against 25 yr old+ A riders and think that if +30 were...
Let me see if I get this. You're complaining that you have to race against 25 yr old+ A riders and think that if +30 were an open class you would have a better chance since you're 35 now? But you don't think you can make it in +35?

There needs to be a B/C vet class IMHO. In my area the Vet B/C classes are bigger that the A classes? The 30+ guys are the ones with some discretionary income and spend it. They are also made up of guys who are late to the sport but still have the passion to ride/race. MX Sports didn't need to bring back this class but they did because they understood the demographic and a few beers and some convincing in a hotel bar in FL may have helped. Now at least. The true 30 yr old amateur who will never be fast enough to have tried to race at the top level can at least have the opportunity to try and qualify for the Super Bowl of MX.
Yeah, and at a local race you have 25 guys in the 30 B/C class and 4 in the 30 A class. Sounds like a lot of fun for the 4 riders in the A. Run everyone together like they used to. ( I know there are tracks that still do this) You telling me that those 25 guys "got a late start" and just started racing?

On one hand you guys say everyone should sack up and race against Reynard and Ferry, but you also say there should be a B/C class for guys who got a late start.

I'm not concerned about myself.........the point that I'm trying to make is that the top guys in the B/C class are A riders who have managed to maneuver around the chicanery of the rules.

This is like the 2 stroke arguing .....guys trying to decide rules that don't concern them.
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Huckster 11/10/2013 4:48am
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No not everyone who races B/C got a late start. Some were just never fast enough to turn A and I agree that most of the top riders in B/C are fast enough to be A riders. I guess I would ask how are the Vet classes any different than the other classes? If we are going to go with straight OPEN class for +25 and on, why not do that for 250, 450 and every other class at the ranch? Why have any ability level designations?

As I said before, IMHO A riders complaining that the can't ride +30 are worse than real B/C wanting them out of of the +30 class. An A rider who is 30-34 can ride +25 and A classes. What are the excuses for not wanting to ride those classes?
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JB 19 11/10/2013 5:35am
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There's no good fix. Everyone can't win. I think I've reached the point where I'm now talking in circles for whatever reason so I'm signing off on this thread.
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Paw Paw 271 11/10/2013 9:13am
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Remember that the pro's have to wait 5 years after there last pro national race to be eligible to race LL's in any class.

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