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Derpin' DJ 10/22/2013 2:06am
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I thought it was a two stroke forum
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Huckster 10/22/2013 3:39am
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shuggs wrote:
Sorry but think that Eli will do much better than Barcia on big bikes, looks like he has waited just the right amount of time to...
Sorry but think that Eli will do much better than Barcia on big bikes, looks like he has waited just the right amount of time to move up - where IMO Roczen is moving up too soon (not sure how the pointing out comes into it tho),.
He may and it will be easy to judge. He needs to win 3 races and finish 3rd of better in SX and finish 2nd or better in outdoors for it to be better........Sounds like no problem....

Roczen got worked by Tomac in the outdoors. I can't remember how many times Eli ran him down and passed him. I don't remember it happening the other way around. Ken got the start in the 3rd moto at the MEC and finished 4th. while he is impressive, he has a long way to go to prove he is the man in a full series. At these One off race exhibititons, he is right up there....
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peelout 10/22/2013 10:07am
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shuggs wrote:
Sorry but think that Eli will do much better than Barcia on big bikes, looks like he has waited just the right amount of time to...
Sorry but think that Eli will do much better than Barcia on big bikes, looks like he has waited just the right amount of time to move up - where IMO Roczen is moving up too soon (not sure how the pointing out comes into it tho),.
Huckster wrote:
He may and it will be easy to judge. He needs to win 3 races and finish 3rd of better in SX and finish 2nd or...
He may and it will be easy to judge. He needs to win 3 races and finish 3rd of better in SX and finish 2nd or better in outdoors for it to be better........Sounds like no problem....

Roczen got worked by Tomac in the outdoors. I can't remember how many times Eli ran him down and passed him. I don't remember it happening the other way around. Ken got the start in the 3rd moto at the MEC and finished 4th. while he is impressive, he has a long way to go to prove he is the man in a full series. At these One off race exhibititons, he is right up there....
Roczen got worked by Tomac IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE SEASON in the outdoors.

fixed it for you.

try not to forget all the times that Roczen got the start and straight up pulled away after Tomac was into 2nd.

it is true that Tomac was by far the better racer the second half of the season, but there was also a first half



also, the "Roczen got the start and got 4th" comments are lame. the top 4 group was within 3-4 seconds at the finish. hardly a case of fading as some of you guys are making out
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Wright_36 10/22/2013 10:29am
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Roczen got worked by Tomac IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE SEASON in the outdoors. fixed it for you. try not to forget all the times...
Roczen got worked by Tomac IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE SEASON in the outdoors.

fixed it for you.

try not to forget all the times that Roczen got the start and straight up pulled away after Tomac was into 2nd.

it is true that Tomac was by far the better racer the second half of the season, but there was also a first half



also, the "Roczen got the start and got 4th" comments are lame. the top 4 group was within 3-4 seconds at the finish. hardly a case of fading as some of you guys are making out
Which races exactly did this happen in? Let's see it wasn't thunder valley, or Budds creek, or muddy creek.

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DrSweden 10/22/2013 10:36am
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I'm glad there's no exonphobia going on in this thread...Whistling
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peelout 10/22/2013 10:45am
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Wright_36 wrote:
Which races exactly did this happen in? Let's see it wasn't thunder valley, or Budds creek, or muddy creek.
short memory? off the top of my head the ones that stand out:

Hangtown
Highpoint
Southwick
RedBud

i'm sure there were other motos here and there.

Washougal was when Tomac hit the afterburners.

some of you guys just like to look through your rose-colored lenses and see what you want to see. carry on
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Wright_36 10/22/2013 11:05am
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short memory? off the top of my head the ones that stand out: Hangtown Highpoint Southwick RedBud i'm sure there were other motos here and there...
short memory? off the top of my head the ones that stand out:

Hangtown
Highpoint
Southwick
RedBud

i'm sure there were other motos here and there.

Washougal was when Tomac hit the afterburners.

some of you guys just like to look through your rose-colored lenses and see what you want to see. carry on
Southwick Tomac beat roczen by 20 seconds in the first moto and had a horrible start in moto 2 and didn't get into second until 5 minutes left and started closing the gap. Redbud destroyed everyone moto one. Once again bad start in moto two but caught roczen, crashed and went back to ninth. And then caught roczen again at the end of the moto. Hardly roczen pulling away from tomac in second lol. Like I said I can't think of one time roczen has caught and passed tomac in a race that wasn't on the first lap. And how many times has tomac done that?
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jakeeee 10/22/2013 11:14am
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with roczens starts and relatively short sx races hes definately gonna win a few!
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Huckster 10/22/2013 11:18am
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shuggs wrote:
Sorry but think that Eli will do much better than Barcia on big bikes, looks like he has waited just the right amount of time to...
Sorry but think that Eli will do much better than Barcia on big bikes, looks like he has waited just the right amount of time to move up - where IMO Roczen is moving up too soon (not sure how the pointing out comes into it tho),.
Huckster wrote:
He may and it will be easy to judge. He needs to win 3 races and finish 3rd of better in SX and finish 2nd or...
He may and it will be easy to judge. He needs to win 3 races and finish 3rd of better in SX and finish 2nd or better in outdoors for it to be better........Sounds like no problem....

Roczen got worked by Tomac in the outdoors. I can't remember how many times Eli ran him down and passed him. I don't remember it happening the other way around. Ken got the start in the 3rd moto at the MEC and finished 4th. while he is impressive, he has a long way to go to prove he is the man in a full series. At these One off race exhibititons, he is right up there....
peelout wrote:
Roczen got worked by Tomac IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE SEASON in the outdoors. fixed it for you. try not to forget all the times...
Roczen got worked by Tomac IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE SEASON in the outdoors.

fixed it for you.

try not to forget all the times that Roczen got the start and straight up pulled away after Tomac was into 2nd.

it is true that Tomac was by far the better racer the second half of the season, but there was also a first half



also, the "Roczen got the start and got 4th" comments are lame. the top 4 group was within 3-4 seconds at the finish. hardly a case of fading as some of you guys are making out
I never said he "faded." I simply stated a fact that Roczen pulled the holeshot in the 3rd moto and finished 4th. Do you dispute this FACT or is it just better when you read into it and make assumptions for others? I honestly can't remember a moto where Roczen caught and passed Eli the whole season but my memory is not my strongest asset. I do remember plenty of the reverse though.
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philG 10/22/2013 11:23am
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is that the round thats replacing Freestone ??


one thing for sure,2014 is going to be awesome.

Lites is going to be pretty cool too
eurofighter69 10/22/2013 11:51am
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i don't know which problem people have with tomac vs. roczen!Roczen is sx litechampion,Tomac is oudoor champion and roczen finished in front of tomac at the mxdn resp. mec!Is it important if somebody is faster or is it better to finish in front of "that" faster guy?
racerhansen 10/22/2013 12:05pm
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I follow Kenny on Twitter but i'm not totaly in to it, not much friends/followers there and as you said most racers i follow just type...
I follow Kenny on Twitter but i'm not totaly in to it, not much friends/followers there and as you said most racers i follow just type pr stuff and i tend to get bored real quick on twitter. if i had some normal people like you guys on there i think it should be fun but now not so much.

Ive had the pleasure to see him ride here in Europe and he has always impressed me on how he rides a bike. I'm not a huge fan of how he acted when he lived here but it seems that he's changed a lot over the last couple of years.
I think Stefan Everts has had an influence on that, the same way he's been setting Herlings straight for the past year. I don't think he tolerates that cocky behaviour some of theses young riders seem to develope.
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stewie94 10/22/2013 12:06pm
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Huckster wrote:
He may and it will be easy to judge. He needs to win 3 races and finish 3rd of better in SX and finish 2nd or...
He may and it will be easy to judge. He needs to win 3 races and finish 3rd of better in SX and finish 2nd or better in outdoors for it to be better........Sounds like no problem....

Roczen got worked by Tomac in the outdoors. I can't remember how many times Eli ran him down and passed him. I don't remember it happening the other way around. Ken got the start in the 3rd moto at the MEC and finished 4th. while he is impressive, he has a long way to go to prove he is the man in a full series. At these One off race exhibititons, he is right up there....
peelout wrote:
Roczen got worked by Tomac IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE SEASON in the outdoors. fixed it for you. try not to forget all the times...
Roczen got worked by Tomac IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE SEASON in the outdoors.

fixed it for you.

try not to forget all the times that Roczen got the start and straight up pulled away after Tomac was into 2nd.

it is true that Tomac was by far the better racer the second half of the season, but there was also a first half



also, the "Roczen got the start and got 4th" comments are lame. the top 4 group was within 3-4 seconds at the finish. hardly a case of fading as some of you guys are making out
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I never said he "faded." I simply stated a fact that Roczen pulled the holeshot in the 3rd moto and finished 4th. Do you dispute this...
I never said he "faded." I simply stated a fact that Roczen pulled the holeshot in the 3rd moto and finished 4th. Do you dispute this FACT or is it just better when you read into it and make assumptions for others? I honestly can't remember a moto where Roczen caught and passed Eli the whole season but my memory is not my strongest asset. I do remember plenty of the reverse though.
he only finished 4th because of the joker lane on the last lap , while dungey & tomac took it early & it worked out & then when roczen went through the joker it wasent the quickest way he did it
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Huckster 10/22/2013 12:44pm
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he only finished 4th because of the joker lane on the last lap , while dungey & tomac took it early & it worked out &...
he only finished 4th because of the joker lane on the last lap , while dungey & tomac took it early & it worked out & then when roczen went through the joker it wasent the quickest way he did it
really? Did the other three guys in front of him go through the same "joker lane?"
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peelout 10/22/2013 1:09pm
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Huckster wrote:
I never said he "faded." I simply stated a fact that Roczen pulled the holeshot in the 3rd moto and finished 4th. Do you dispute this...
I never said he "faded." I simply stated a fact that Roczen pulled the holeshot in the 3rd moto and finished 4th. Do you dispute this FACT or is it just better when you read into it and make assumptions for others? I honestly can't remember a moto where Roczen caught and passed Eli the whole season but my memory is not my strongest asset. I do remember plenty of the reverse though.
saying someone went from 1st to 4th is an implication of saying "faded" in my eyes.

Roczen won the sx championship, led half the outdoor series with multiple wins, won the MXdN, and was on the podium at the MEC.

and who in their right mind decided that the only way to beat someone is to pass them? it's racing, get a better start and make it easy.

either way, it's stupid and i'm not going to argue it anymore.
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DrSweden 10/22/2013 1:34pm
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peelout wrote:
saying someone went from 1st to 4th is an implication of saying "faded" in my eyes. Roczen won the sx championship, led half the outdoor series...
saying someone went from 1st to 4th is an implication of saying "faded" in my eyes.

Roczen won the sx championship, led half the outdoor series with multiple wins, won the MXdN, and was on the podium at the MEC.

and who in their right mind decided that the only way to beat someone is to pass them? it's racing, get a better start and make it easy.

either way, it's stupid and i'm not going to argue it anymore.
If you keep pushing, soon winning the SX title will be less of an achievement than being the runner up... I have seen it happen.
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Derpin' DJ 10/22/2013 1:50pm
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Wright_36 wrote:
Southwick Tomac beat roczen by 20 seconds in the first moto and had a horrible start in moto 2 and didn't get into second until 5...
Southwick Tomac beat roczen by 20 seconds in the first moto and had a horrible start in moto 2 and didn't get into second until 5 minutes left and started closing the gap. Redbud destroyed everyone moto one. Once again bad start in moto two but caught roczen, crashed and went back to ninth. And then caught roczen again at the end of the moto. Hardly roczen pulling away from tomac in second lol. Like I said I can't think of one time roczen has caught and passed tomac in a race that wasn't on the first lap. And how many times has tomac done that?
Roczen passed Tomac on the first lap in that second moto at Redbud actually

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Huckster 10/22/2013 1:58pm
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DrSweden wrote:
If you keep pushing, soon winning the SX title will be less of an achievement than being the runner up... I have seen it happen.
kind of like being runner up in the great outdoors.......? I have seen it happen in this thread.....lol
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Wright_36 10/22/2013 2:03pm
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
Roczen passed Tomac on the first lap in that second moto at Redbud actually
Did you see in that exact post you quoted were it says " that wasn't on the first lap" ?
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We have to change the title of this thread:How many times passed tomac .......?
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DrSweden 10/22/2013 2:42pm
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kind of like being runner up in the great outdoors.......? I have seen it happen in this thread.....lol
True dat, if anyone in their right mind actually claimed that...
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PressPassP 10/22/2013 3:14pm
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Credit to Roczen for over 1/2 the outdoor season,it's easy to forget how good he was until Tomac came on strong,and that big crash he had at Spring Creek seemed to affect him

Roczen started the season off great and blew by Tomac and the other front runners at Hangtown at around the 20 minute mark and gapped everyone,but round 8 was when Eli got it together bigtime he ran Ken down 4 times after Spring Creek,Unadilla twice,Utah and Elsinore,but Ken did take a comfortable Moto there too,without doubt Tomac emerged on top and those great rides are what stick in the mind but it was a season of 2 halves really

The timing of the joker lane might have played a part in that last race at the MEC,Roczen would of had to have been passed straight up f he'd taken it earlier,not leap-frogged,but when those 2 are on 450's next year I also think they'll both surpass Barcia,they were nearly a minute ahead in Moto 2 at the MXdN,I know they were racing right to the end and Barcia etc didn't have to push,he was comfortable in that position,the comp wasn't the strongest either and he had another race to do but they still were well away,(maybe that track wasn't such a comparison either but hey)

There's a lot to go on between now and 2014 too,SX and Outdoors could read entirely different too,many emerge more as specialists,same goes for 250 and 450 pilots
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Derpin' DJ 10/22/2013 4:07pm
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Wright_36 wrote:
Did you see in that exact post you quoted were it says " that wasn't on the first lap" ?
yes, but you said Tomac got a bad start, which wasn't true
wired4speed 10/22/2013 6:46pm
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I watched Tomac at Southwick and Unadilla. He rode at another level than all the 250f riders at both tracks. I'm still impressed with Roczen and I like his move to the 450f class. It's a tough field and I expect Roczen to have a great rookie season. His strength will be his starts. I'm just impressed with the depth of the 2013 450f sx/mx class. RV will be RV but with a pool of vets, rookies and second year riders like Barcia in the field you have 8-10 riders who could pull out a win.

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