barcia vs metcalfe?

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8/21/2008 5:53pm
Calimero wrote:
You can't really get a good conversation on this board... some guys just think what they wanna think an that is it. They have no room...
You can't really get a good conversation on this board... some guys just think what they wanna think an that is it. They have no room for other visions.

Huckster, 1st you say you really doubt it that he was slower than Metcalfe, than I told you he was, and now you say that practise is something different than a race? Man...
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You would argue that "practice" and the actually "race" are not different? There is plenty of room for other visions or opinions. dont get your feathers...
You would argue that "practice" and the actually "race" are not different?

There is plenty of room for other visions or opinions. dont get your feathers ruffled though when someone doesnt agree with yours. My opinion is that I do not think Brett Metcalfe is 2+ sec a lap faster than Justin Barcia and we shall see next season.

Good luck Sunday. I hope you ride to the best of your ability and that will show everyone where you stand at least for that particular day.
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When I said that he was slower, that is not an opinion, that is a fact. That is something different...
It maybe fact for some Thursday practice at a practice sand track in the middle of nowhere MA. Not debating that point with you. There are so many variables that make that so insignificant and I am not trash talking , its just my opinion that Metcalfe is Not 2+ sec a lap faster than Justin. As i said before, we will find out at GH next May when it matters. Until then......

Good luck this weekend and stay healthy.
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8/21/2008 5:57pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:07pm
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Don't even take the trash talking seriously - the guys who do the most could NOT even win the novice class at their local track. Good...
Don't even take the trash talking seriously - the guys who do the most could NOT even win the novice class at their local track.

Good Luck and Pin-it!
This is so true, and im sure Marc knows this.

But I find it hilarious the arguing of the the speed of a rider at a team practice day, that he wasnt at with some one who was riding on the track with him. Purely emotional based feelings.
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8/21/2008 5:59pm
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Man, he didn't smoke me and Metcalfe. I think he was at least 5 seconds a lap slower than me... Metcalfe chased a gap of 7...
Man, he didn't smoke me and Metcalfe. I think he was at least 5 seconds a lap slower than me... Metcalfe chased a gap of 7 seconds down in 3 laps!
I believe you and stand corrected. That kid has probably never had someone reel him in like that but it was in the sand and you are the "sandman" aren't you?
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That track was not easy to ride. Lot of powder on the track. Was nice to ride for sure. 1 section was really sandy, rest was flat as a snookertable...

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8/21/2008 6:09pm
What did you think of Barcia? Is he as good as the hype?

I seen him ride one time and was blown away, kid is fearless.
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Well, I am a really honest person. Today when we went practising again they told me he was the next real deal! To me, yesterday he really didn't look like that. Ok, he was fast, but nothing special. I was behind him a couple of laps cause he was just cutting my line and really try to stay in front of me. I didn't like that style so much, I think it's an American thing though. So I had to make a really agressive move to get by him.

But like you said, I think they never saw him with riders like Metcalfe and me (I don't mean that arrogant cause there is a lot more guys faster than me) so maybe that is why!
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Marc, I sent you a message about hooking you up with really good places to practice for southwick. In the future if you race here again contact me at Mikeyb@keithjohnsonmx.com


The tracks are seriouse sand tracks and all located within 2.5 hours of "the wick", One of which is 100% private(halifax,MA).John dowd rides there with some other newengland pros. In the future please feel free to contact me. Maybe ill stop by to introduce myself this weekend.
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8/21/2008 6:19pm
Ok, thanks man!
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8/21/2008 6:21pm
how could I forget, Good luck this weekend!

be safe and God Bless!
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8/21/2008 6:40pm
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Well, I am a really honest person. Today when we went practising again they told me he was the next real deal! To me, yesterday he...
Well, I am a really honest person. Today when we went practising again they told me he was the next real deal! To me, yesterday he really didn't look like that. Ok, he was fast, but nothing special. I was behind him a couple of laps cause he was just cutting my line and really try to stay in front of me. I didn't like that style so much, I think it's an American thing though. So I had to make a really agressive move to get by him.

But like you said, I think they never saw him with riders like Metcalfe and me (I don't mean that arrogant cause there is a lot more guys faster than me) so maybe that is why!
Cool. I give you big props for having the balls to come over here and race, I would love to see more Euro guys coming over and doing that.

I hope you do well and even give Bubba a run for his money but Bubba and Ferry both cut their teeth in the sand so your advantage may not be as big with them.
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8/21/2008 8:24pm
Maybe your done posting on here calimero, but stupid question.

Why must you run your works suspension, and not some set up here by factory honda.
I mean, not saying USA stuff is better or anything like that, but factory Honda has the funding and ability to put whatever you want on that bike, if you have your team tell them what you run, they can duplicate it and removes the need of shipping it....

Im guessing its so you can run it on a practice bike????

Anyways, best of luck, let's all remember Barcia is still an amatuer, and this was his first year in the intermediate class, he is only 16 or something like that. You can never tell what someone will end up like, I think Villopoto proved that.
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8/21/2008 8:51pm
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It maybe fact for some Thursday practice at a practice sand track in the middle of nowhere MA. Not debating that point with you. There are...
It maybe fact for some Thursday practice at a practice sand track in the middle of nowhere MA. Not debating that point with you. There are so many variables that make that so insignificant and I am not trash talking , its just my opinion that Metcalfe is Not 2+ sec a lap faster than Justin. As i said before, we will find out at GH next May when it matters. Until then......

Good luck this weekend and stay healthy.
Huckster, What, in your opinion, makes Barcia not more than 2 sec a lap slower than Metcalfe??
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8/21/2008 9:05pm Edited Date/Time 8/21/2008 9:06pm
Question.Are these guys all riding 250f's?And Barcia is a 16 yr old Am. ? I don't follow a lot of the Am. stuff but he's a kid. Not sure about how old Metty or this Columbero guy is. I give him props for coming here to race in America.We can always use new fast guys in our series since 4 of our fast guys are out already.
8/21/2008 11:09pm
It should be good.

Not sure why anyone would think a "sand specialist" will have such an advantage at Southwick when year after year the AMA front runners do pretty well there. It's the locals who step it up.....and that's because there is an underlying vibe built in there that it's tthe locals day to stick it to the man and make their name......

If only once.....it has nothing to do with the sand. In my experience Southwick is just great fun loose dirt (roughed for sure )and if you are in shape (round 11 folks) you can go fast.

I think alot of guy's are gonna be fast. And gonna look like sand specialists. Calimero will have to tell us what he thinks after practice Saturday. We may hear more about his ankle than about the lap times.

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8/22/2008 1:13am
Give it your best shot Marc and just remember that you have a lot of people behind you that would love to see you do well Wink
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8/22/2008 4:40am
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It maybe fact for some Thursday practice at a practice sand track in the middle of nowhere MA. Not debating that point with you. There are...
It maybe fact for some Thursday practice at a practice sand track in the middle of nowhere MA. Not debating that point with you. There are so many variables that make that so insignificant and I am not trash talking , its just my opinion that Metcalfe is Not 2+ sec a lap faster than Justin. As i said before, we will find out at GH next May when it matters. Until then......

Good luck this weekend and stay healthy.
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Huckster, What, in your opinion, makes Barcia not more than 2 sec a lap slower than Metcalfe??
I have watched Justin ride since he was on 60's. I have also watched Metcalfe at multiple nationals over the last few years. 2 sec a lap is 30+ sec over the course of a moto. IMHO I do not think that Metcalfe is that much faster than Justin right now. I honestly think Justin has top 5 speed right now if he were to race Sunday. Maybe I am biased for many reasons, but like all of you, I am entitled to my opinion. Unfortunately, we will all have to wait to GH next May to get an accurate answer.

And I am in no way bagging on Calimero. I hope he rides his best so that we can get an accurate assessment of his true speed compared to the rest of the field. I was there when Smets came over and it wasn't pretty.
8/22/2008 5:07am
I had no idea Smets came to the US! When was that? What was he riding?
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2001, he was riding on KTM.
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8/22/2008 6:15am Edited Date/Time 8/22/2008 6:52pm
Maybe your done posting on here calimero, but stupid question. Why must you run your works suspension, and not some set up here by factory honda...
Maybe your done posting on here calimero, but stupid question.

Why must you run your works suspension, and not some set up here by factory honda.
I mean, not saying USA stuff is better or anything like that, but factory Honda has the funding and ability to put whatever you want on that bike, if you have your team tell them what you run, they can duplicate it and removes the need of shipping it....

Im guessing its so you can run it on a practice bike????

Anyways, best of luck, let's all remember Barcia is still an amatuer, and this was his first year in the intermediate class, he is only 16 or something like that. You can never tell what someone will end up like, I think Villopoto proved that.
I believe they don't have enough time to set the bike up so they bring their own suspension with them that is ready to go. They propably run all the same stuff anyway, but his own suspension is already set up to his liking. Don't know for sure though Smile
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de Reuver - 450f
Metcalfe - 250f
Barcia - 250f
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Huckster wrote:
I have watched Justin ride since he was on 60's. I have also watched Metcalfe at multiple nationals over the last few years. 2 sec a...
I have watched Justin ride since he was on 60's. I have also watched Metcalfe at multiple nationals over the last few years. 2 sec a lap is 30+ sec over the course of a moto. IMHO I do not think that Metcalfe is that much faster than Justin right now. I honestly think Justin has top 5 speed right now if he were to race Sunday. Maybe I am biased for many reasons, but like all of you, I am entitled to my opinion. Unfortunately, we will all have to wait to GH next May to get an accurate answer.

And I am in no way bagging on Calimero. I hope he rides his best so that we can get an accurate assessment of his true speed compared to the rest of the field. I was there when Smets came over and it wasn't pretty.
Obviously he is your homeboy and you want him to do well, but you sound kind of ridiculous when you flatly disbelieve that DeReuver and Metcalfe were going that much faster. Calimero was there, on the track with him, and told you as much.

You have nothing to fear, the kid is going to be good. I don't think anyone DOESN'T expect it. But he hasn't run a single Pro race yet. Metcalfe and DeReuver are quite likely going to be top 3 in their classes this weekend.

I saw the race with Smets in '01 too. What was so bad about it? He led for awhile and ended up about 6th I think?
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Adam, first off I don't doubt Calimero and what he says happened at that practice track on that particular day. Thats not my point. My point is that I do not think as a whole, Brett Metcalfe is 2 seconds a lap faster than Justin. For example at a race at any track USA, I dont think Brett would be on average 2 sec a lap faster over the course of a moto. Now that is just my opinion and you obviously misunderstood my point and/or I did a bad job of explaining it.

Smets went 8-7 which is fine, but I believe more was expected of him and if I remember correctly he went backwards. He was a GP sand specialist as well correct?


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Huckster......what do you base your opinions on??? Is it how he beats "amateurs"??? And since he won at LL like he did.......he will automatically show up with the pro's and do the exact same thing with a pace MUCH faster than the amateurs?
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Huckster......what do you base your opinions on??? Is it how he beats "amateurs"??? And since he won at LL like he did.......he will automatically show up...
Huckster......what do you base your opinions on??? Is it how he beats "amateurs"??? And since he won at LL like he did.......he will automatically show up with the pro's and do the exact same thing with a pace MUCH faster than the amateurs?
I already answered that question. I base my opinion off of having watched him progress since he was on a 65 and seeing him ride numorouse times. it is my OPINION that the kid has that something special and will make an impact right away, much like Dungey, Stroupe and Izzi did. I dont think he will be a RV, RC of JS, but he will be top 5 from the get go. They all entered the pro ranks and ran that MUCH faster pace that you speak of. J100 nailed it and ask anyone in the know who they think will be the next big thing out of the LL ranks and I am sure Justin's name will come up. I feel he is much further ahead of say a Lawrence or another Local D34 kid, Mills were when they came into the pro ranks and they had pretty good success.

I may be totally wrong, but I wouldn't bet on it. He just did spank Larusso and Dowd at southwick and an even better test will be next weekend at the New England championship where I am told he will be riding the A class. Only time will tell if I have a clue....
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Adam, first off I don't doubt Calimero and what he says happened at that practice track on that particular day. Thats not my point. My point...
Adam, first off I don't doubt Calimero and what he says happened at that practice track on that particular day. Thats not my point. My point is that I do not think as a whole, Brett Metcalfe is 2 seconds a lap faster than Justin. For example at a race at any track USA, I dont think Brett would be on average 2 sec a lap faster over the course of a moto. Now that is just my opinion and you obviously misunderstood my point and/or I did a bad job of explaining it.

Smets went 8-7 which is fine, but I believe more was expected of him and if I remember correctly he went backwards. He was a GP sand specialist as well correct?


I'm glad you support your guy, that's great. And like I said, he's gonna be awesome. But right now, proof is in the pudding, they've been on the track together once in life. Metcalfe was easily faster, according to Marc, riding with them.

I don't think too much more was expected of Smets than that either? It was his first US National. Even then he was in his thirties riding a big KTM GP bike, and he wasn't even the top Euro guy at that point. Both Pichon and Everts were a notch or so above him. I thought he did well.
8/22/2008 1:41pm
Might want to keep in mind this too.

Something i know from first hand experience...

Metcalfe has nothing to prove out practicing with Barcia. Metcalfe is a sesoned pro who has nothing to prove at the practice track other than to put his laps in.

Barcia on the other hand just moved to the A class and is practicing with a podium contender. I can GUARANTEE you, no matter who the kid is he wants to try and prove to himself, and to everyone there that he can hang with Metcalfe.

When Barcia turns pro he'll be going fast, but don't sound so surprised he wasn't going as fast as Metcalfe right now. You move up the ranks the way you do for a reason.
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8/22/2008 2:12pm
" feel he is much further ahead of say a Lawrence or another Local D34 kid, Mills were when they came into the pro ranks and they had pretty good success."

I don't know about all that. Mills is a buddy of mine and I watched him turn expert at 13 years old spank all the local pro and experts all summer long!!!

He was the youngest kid I think I've ever seen bump himself up into the expert ranks and perform like he did. It's just to bad things have not worked out for him as of of recently cause he is more naturally talented on a motocross bike than anyone I know or have ever seen. And it's been like that since he was a lill ripper on 80's

But your right Barcia is a force to be reckoned w/ and I'm sure he will become a major player in the years to come.
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8/22/2008 2:25pm
I know Barcia is fast but I seriously doubt he could beat Metcalfe in two 35 minute motos. Maybe in a few years but not now. There are a few guys that need to get off their knees.
8/22/2008 3:34pm Edited Date/Time 8/22/2008 3:36pm
Good luck Calimero! Most of us appreciate that you come on the board and share info with us as an insider. Hope u r fast this weekend, but not too fast!! Be safe.

Out of curiosity, what does Calimero mean amd why your name?

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