Ziggy...PED's...and the FED's

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So Ziggy from Factory connection is cooperating with Federal Marshall's in trying to get some riders from Kawasaki in trouble for using PED's? How is the no one else talking about this? It seems to me that the implications of having federal Marshall's coming into the sport and indicting people for using PED's would turn the pro moto scene upside down. Kenny Watson, Dave Osterman, and even Villopoto seem like they all heard the same story so there must be some kind of truth to it right? And if so what does it mean for the future?
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Shawn142 7/24/2013 11:50am
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For the moment it's a non-story. It seems Ziggy got in contact with federal marshals and asked questions. They replied with anyone caught using PEDs in a professional sport would get federal charges. That's about it so far.

Unless you're Tony Alessi of course. Then you think federal marshals are about to bring down the MX Sports drug ring.
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More government = more problems...
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JACK_Schit 7/24/2013 11:59am
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Wouldn't USDA and WADA have jurisdiction here?
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So does this mean we might see Raylan Givens at a National this year?

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Ripper02 7/24/2013 12:11pm
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If you listen to Osterman is sounds like something could be happening in the very near future. I just feel like inviting the Fed's into our sport could turn into a huge disaster. It also sounds like (from what Osterman says) that Ziggy and the FED's are taking a proactive approach. For instance they are not waiting for the AMA to get their act together, they are just going to come in and handle it themselves. And you have to think that with Ozzy being a fellow Honda guy, he must be talking pretty close to the truth. I dunno, I could be wrong.
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kawasa84 7/24/2013 12:11pm
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Ziggy is throwing allegations at "some riders from Kawasaki". Well if he's talking professional SX and MX riders, in the U.S., then there are only 2 riders he could be talking about. Does he have an ax to grind or what?
This sounds like some personal vendetta or something.
Get Matthes on this.
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Query: can this particular sport afford effective testing, if such a thing exists? And, to a casual observer, it seems like at least as many "busts," if not more, in the major sports come from investigations or people getting ratted out as come from tests.

Interesting article today.

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/07/24/hgh-test/
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Ripper02 7/24/2013 12:32pm
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kawasa84 wrote:
Ziggy is throwing allegations at "some riders from Kawasaki". Well if he's talking professional SX and MX riders, in the U.S., then there are only 2...
Ziggy is throwing allegations at "some riders from Kawasaki". Well if he's talking professional SX and MX riders, in the U.S., then there are only 2 riders he could be talking about. Does he have an ax to grind or what?
This sounds like some personal vendetta or something.
Get Matthes on this.
I believe there was some speculation about Baggett when he was in the hunt for tittle with Barcia and Tomac last year. Maybe that could have something to do with it? Either way they are some pretty serious allegations.
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lol @ my posts getting deleted

the truth is coming!!
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maybe we'll get a news story out of it and the sport will grow, who knows?
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DocMarten 7/24/2013 12:35pm
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smoker wrote:
maybe we'll get a news story out of it and the sport will grow, who knows?
i really doubt seeing the biggest names of the sport being federally prosecuted for using PEDs will grow the sport.

Get some mainstream attention, yeah..maybe.
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smoker wrote:
maybe we'll get a news story out of it and the sport will grow, who knows?
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i really doubt seeing the biggest names of the sport being federally prosecuted for using PEDs will grow the sport.

Get some mainstream attention, yeah..maybe.
I just don't like the idea of outsiders coming in to police the sport and hand out their own punishments. I think that Feld, MXsports and the AMA should just figure out some efficient way to test on their own because once the Fed's get involved, no one from inside the sport will have a say.
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kongols 7/24/2013 12:54pm
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Ripper02 wrote:
I just don't like the idea of outsiders coming in to police the sport and hand out their own punishments. I think that Feld, MXsports and...
I just don't like the idea of outsiders coming in to police the sport and hand out their own punishments. I think that Feld, MXsports and the AMA should just figure out some efficient way to test on their own because once the Fed's get involved, no one from inside the sport will have a say.
Feld and MXSports are promoters. AMA is under FIM. FIM is a joke. Everyone is safe fore another ten years.
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
Query: can this particular sport afford effective testing, if such a thing exists? And, to a casual observer, it seems like at least as many "busts,"...
Query: can this particular sport afford effective testing, if such a thing exists? And, to a casual observer, it seems like at least as many "busts," if not more, in the major sports come from investigations or people getting ratted out as come from tests.

Interesting article today.

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/07/24/hgh-test/
MXsports could spend a whole bunch of money and get nowhere for sure.

I guess if they take the integrity of the sport serious enough no amount of money spent on keeping the sport clean could ever be too much.
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DocMarten 7/24/2013 12:58pm
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smoker wrote:
maybe we'll get a news story out of it and the sport will grow, who knows?
DocMarten wrote:
i really doubt seeing the biggest names of the sport being federally prosecuted for using PEDs will grow the sport.

Get some mainstream attention, yeah..maybe.
Ripper02 wrote:
I just don't like the idea of outsiders coming in to police the sport and hand out their own punishments. I think that Feld, MXsports and...
I just don't like the idea of outsiders coming in to police the sport and hand out their own punishments. I think that Feld, MXsports and the AMA should just figure out some efficient way to test on their own because once the Fed's get involved, no one from inside the sport will have a say.
Well, to Tonys defense he was treated unfairly. Shining a laser beam isnt that big of a deal..stupid..incredily..yes..but lets be serious here.

MCR got fined for some nonsense and MX sports has been turning a blind eye to it for along time (PED use)

If there was an effective system put in place, Ziggy wouldn't have had to contact Federal agents..now that they're lurking around, im sure there is some big things coming about pretty soon and MX sports is probably freaking out.

If the powers that be actually used some common sense, the gov't wouldn't be getting involved...and trust me..im all for free markets and capitalism but whats going on is entirely MX sports fault, no one elses. They brought it on to themselves and now big brother has to watch over it
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Ripper02 7/24/2013 1:06pm
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kongols wrote:
Feld and MXSports are promoters. AMA is under FIM. FIM is a joke. Everyone is safe fore another ten years.
Well with the AMA being the joke that it is, hasn't Feld and MXsports been taking a bigger role in rules and regulations over the past few years? I mean I know that technically they are not supposed to because the promoter of the event should not also be the licensing body but it still happens. And forgive me if I'm wrong but I don't believe the outdoor nationals are FIM sanctioned, just supercross.
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
Query: can this particular sport afford effective testing, if such a thing exists? And, to a casual observer, it seems like at least as many "busts,"...
Query: can this particular sport afford effective testing, if such a thing exists? And, to a casual observer, it seems like at least as many "busts," if not more, in the major sports come from investigations or people getting ratted out as come from tests.

Interesting article today.

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/07/24/hgh-test/
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/04/the-new-epo-gw1516-aicar-and-their-us…
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kongols 7/24/2013 1:11pm
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kongols wrote:
Feld and MXSports are promoters. AMA is under FIM. FIM is a joke. Everyone is safe fore another ten years.
Ripper02 wrote:
Well with the AMA being the joke that it is, hasn't Feld and MXsports been taking a bigger role in rules and regulations over the past...
Well with the AMA being the joke that it is, hasn't Feld and MXsports been taking a bigger role in rules and regulations over the past few years? I mean I know that technically they are not supposed to because the promoter of the event should not also be the licensing body but it still happens. And forgive me if I'm wrong but I don't believe the outdoor nationals are FIM sanctioned, just supercross.
The AMA is the largest motorsports organization in the world, overseeing 80 professional and more than 4,000 amateur events each year. The AMA also maintains the Motorcycle Hall of Fame located near Columbus, Ohio. It is the designated governing body of motorcycle sport in the US by the world governing body, the Fédération Internationale de Motocyclisme (FIM).

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scott_nz 7/24/2013 1:20pm
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DocMarten wrote:
Well, to Tonys defense he was treated unfairly. Shining a laser beam isnt that big of a deal..stupid..incredily..yes..but lets be serious here. MCR got fined for...
Well, to Tonys defense he was treated unfairly. Shining a laser beam isnt that big of a deal..stupid..incredily..yes..but lets be serious here.

MCR got fined for some nonsense and MX sports has been turning a blind eye to it for along time (PED use)

If there was an effective system put in place, Ziggy wouldn't have had to contact Federal agents..now that they're lurking around, im sure there is some big things coming about pretty soon and MX sports is probably freaking out.

If the powers that be actually used some common sense, the gov't wouldn't be getting involved...and trust me..im all for free markets and capitalism but whats going on is entirely MX sports fault, no one elses. They brought it on to themselves and now big brother has to watch over it
Tony. Mikes and the teams punishment is mostly due to his reaction to the original incident, Jeff only got a $500 fine for using the laser, the rest of the fine and suspension is for threatening Davey and Matthes, and letting Jeff use his credential,

Cycling is still not on top of these tests for HGH and EPO, and that sport has spent millions over the years trying to keep up with the cheats,

how would you fix the problem, and who would pay for the testing?
PClaerhout 7/24/2013 1:21pm
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I'm just a fan, but I recall a tweet or something by Reed saying he was good for a year without tests because he was tested very often, was clean every time. I thought I remember it being WADA, which didn't mess around with Armstrong. Is this just supercross? Or do they not have the same tests used for cycling? I very well could be wrong, but when I read about that tweet, and I thought I heard RV2 got tested post race a few times I figured this couldn't be happening.
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I hate a snitch.
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PClaerhout wrote:
I'm just a fan, but I recall a tweet or something by Reed saying he was good for a year without tests because he was tested...
I'm just a fan, but I recall a tweet or something by Reed saying he was good for a year without tests because he was tested very often, was clean every time. I thought I remember it being WADA, which didn't mess around with Armstrong. Is this just supercross? Or do they not have the same tests used for cycling? I very well could be wrong, but when I read about that tweet, and I thought I heard RV2 got tested post race a few times I figured this couldn't be happening.
Urine tests are for kindergardeners.
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Ripper02 7/24/2013 1:28pm
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motogrady wrote:
I hate a snitch.
Haha exactly, if Ziggy feels so passionate about it he should put up the 100 G's Villopoto talked about on Pulp.
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Ripper02 7/24/2013 1:29pm
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kongols wrote:
Feld and MXSports are promoters. AMA is under FIM. FIM is a joke. Everyone is safe fore another ten years.
Ripper02 wrote:
Well with the AMA being the joke that it is, hasn't Feld and MXsports been taking a bigger role in rules and regulations over the past...
Well with the AMA being the joke that it is, hasn't Feld and MXsports been taking a bigger role in rules and regulations over the past few years? I mean I know that technically they are not supposed to because the promoter of the event should not also be the licensing body but it still happens. And forgive me if I'm wrong but I don't believe the outdoor nationals are FIM sanctioned, just supercross.
kongols wrote:
The AMA is the largest motorsports organization in the world, overseeing 80 professional and more than 4,000 amateur events each year. The AMA also maintains the...
The AMA is the largest motorsports organization in the world, overseeing 80 professional and more than 4,000 amateur events each year. The AMA also maintains the Motorcycle Hall of Fame located near Columbus, Ohio. It is the designated governing body of motorcycle sport in the US by the world governing body, the Fédération Internationale de Motocyclisme (FIM).
My bad you are correct
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mattbmx63 7/24/2013 1:35pm
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Is Aldon Baker the common denominator in this? Weird that where he goes riders riders win championships! He seems to have almost constant contact with them daily, almost like a hawk.

Not saying he is guilty of anything, but seems fishy. That or Aldon is very very good at nutrition.
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Most interesting thing to may come out of this"lasergate" deal. Fuck, finally. I hope it does go all the way, even if it has to 'hurt our sport' and pull away outside sponsors etc. Whatever happens, there still is going to be dudes willing to ride an MX bike for an AMA title, and if i have to watch the race two days later cause live TV's gone, i don't give a damm.
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mattbmx63 wrote:
Is Aldon Baker the common denominator in this? Weird that where he goes riders riders win championships! He seems to have almost constant contact with them...
Is Aldon Baker the common denominator in this? Weird that where he goes riders riders win championships! He seems to have almost constant contact with them daily, almost like a hawk.

Not saying he is guilty of anything, but seems fishy. That or Aldon is very very good at nutrition.
Always has been fishy, since that summer RC lost 30 pounds and took control of the show within two months.
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I'm just a fan, but I recall a tweet or something by Reed saying he was good for a year without tests because he was tested...
I'm just a fan, but I recall a tweet or something by Reed saying he was good for a year without tests because he was tested very often, was clean every time. I thought I remember it being WADA, which didn't mess around with Armstrong. Is this just supercross? Or do they not have the same tests used for cycling? I very well could be wrong, but when I read about that tweet, and I thought I heard RV2 got tested post race a few times I figured this couldn't be happening.
kongols wrote:
Urine tests are for kindergardeners.
So are you actually answering my question, and are saying all they do is urine tests in SX? Same for MX? Or are you assuming I am an idiot and did not know urine tests would be bushleague?
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smoker 7/24/2013 1:39pm
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maybe we'll get a news story out of it and the sport will grow, who knows?
DocMarten wrote:
i really doubt seeing the biggest names of the sport being federally prosecuted for using PEDs will grow the sport.

Get some mainstream attention, yeah..maybe.
unless your a fan of the sport, there is no "biggest names". Maybe it would legitimize mx since our sport is suddenly hard enough to where peds would be an advantage. Maybe we'd get some viewers, maybe peeps would say "damn, roided out dudes on dirt bikes, I'd watch that!"


who knows.
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kongols 7/24/2013 1:41pm
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So are you actually answering my question, and are saying all they do is urine tests in SX? Same for MX? Or are you assuming I...
So are you actually answering my question, and are saying all they do is urine tests in SX? Same for MX? Or are you assuming I am an idiot and did not know urine tests would be bushleague?
They tested Reed for a year. They don`t give a shit if it`s MX or SX.

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