Michael Leib's side of the story...

Motodork wrote:

It is because the euro's won't honor there hand shake or word, I used to do business with them and we would make an agreement and...

It is because the euro's won't honor there hand shake or word, I used to do business with them and we would make an agreement and shake hands and then the next day they would try to re work the entire deal again, I am like are you f'n kidding me, we have an agreement and have shook hands what the fuck??? euro's call me now and I tell them I don't do business with euro's

kongols wrote:

We can officially declare Americans riding GP`s has been complete fiasco. Let`s hope RV keeps his word and comes over in a couple of years.

jeffro503 wrote:

What? When did RV state that he was going over there in a few years? His plan from what I have heard was to retire completely...

What? When did RV state that he was going over there in a few years? His plan from what I have heard was to retire completely at the end of this 3yr contract he has going now. Meaning at the end of 2015....he's a free man.

I think he mentioned it was a possibility.....but never said he was going.

Motodork wrote:

It is because the euro's won't honor there hand shake or word, I used to do business with them and we would make an agreement and...

It is because the euro's won't honor there hand shake or word, I used to do business with them and we would make an agreement and shake hands and then the next day they would try to re work the entire deal again, I am like are you f'n kidding me, we have an agreement and have shook hands what the fuck??? euro's call me now and I tell them I don't do business with euro's

Underdog999 wrote:

Oh my!

There (notice I didn't write their) is so much wrong this I don't even know where to begin.....

englishman wrote:

You could start with the bigotry and go from there ?

kongols wrote:

I think this is Europe`s revenge for Pourcel.
So many parallels....

thatdad wrote:

You know, you could almost accept this type of bullshit if there was big money involved. Where is the fun or enjoyment? Seems like a lot...

You know, you could almost accept this type of bullshit if there was big money involved.

Where is the fun or enjoyment? Seems like a lot of petty nonsense. No written contract, bikes not competitive, potential of getting seriously hurt half a world away from home, working for a helmet or gear bag, really?

GuyB wrote:

Just spotted this on Michael Leib's Facebook page. Here's his side of the story. Hello from Italy! I thought it would be best to make a...

Just spotted this on Michael Leib's Facebook page. Here's his side of the story.


Hello from Italy! I thought it would be best to make a statement since things have gotten pretty interesting over here in Europe. I normally would not do this but I feel that my reputation has been on the line and want to set the record straight before racing for Giraboldi Honda this weekend at the G.P. in Maggiore, Italy.

The Beursfoon Rockstar Suzuki team offered me a verbal racing offer, no contract, for the 2013 GP’s here in Europe. After riding their bike in November I told them it had potential and I would be interested if they could build a bike capable of winning a GP. Months ago the team was presented with the full details of our motor and suspension package. The team insisted that after testing their bike, if I was not happy with the suspension or the motor they had the financial recourses to let me bring in my own suspension and motors, “this would not be an issue”.

I am 100% healthy and was able to ride 2 - 35 minute motos per day before I flew to Holland to test and prepare to race the French GP and was disappointed to find that the race motor was not ready and rode a close to stock motorcycle that was unacceptable. We agreed not to race the French GP. The following week the race motor was ready and I was looking forward to what it would do on the track. I was disappointed with the performance and mechanical issues we were faced with. My mechanic Roel, was working non-stop to correct all of the problems. Thank you for that Roel!

After almost three weeks of being in Holland and riding sub-par equipment that continually didn’t last more than 25 minutes and no explanation of what was wrong, I was unable to get them to agree to get my motors and suspension here.

On this past Monday we left for the 17 hour drive to Italy, I was unsettled about the situation to say the least, having little confidence since the team would not agree to do what they promised to do, to make this a competitive bike, this “was now an issue.”
15 hours into the trip, I talked to the team owner and he informed me that he was not going to consider even trying my motor, period. I told him that was not our deal and that I did not feel confident that I could race their bikes. He then turned the hauler around back to Holland and they dropped me off at the airport, thus terminating our agreement. Pretty upsetting.

While I was at the airport in Germany for roughly 8 hours trying to figure out what I was going to do with the rest of my life, I contacted every available race contact in Europe looking for a ride, there was nothing. At that point I looked into booking a flight home. A good friend here in Italy persuaded me to go the GP and shake hands before heading home to be sure there wasn’t another opportunity for me. I agreed to fly to Milan.

On Wednesday, Beursfoon Rockstar Suzuki released a press release stating, “we are immediately terminating our cooperation with Leib”..,

Now for the crazy part, John the team owner at Buersfoon Rockstar Suzuki, plans on suing me and is here in Italy demanding I pay him money or he will file a restraining order blocking me from riding. He has also communicated with every team he could reach telling them what a horrible person I am. He also demanded Youthstream not grant me an entry to race.

It's a shame, It's simply a matter of me standing up for what we discussed earlier in the year. Their bike is not competitive – they did not take the steps necessary to make it competitive. The level of performance that I'll be racing against is very high and Buersfoon Rockstar Suzuki knew full well that the only reason I agreed to race their bike was if it was really good.

I was given an opportunity to a last minute test with Girabadi Honda to see of there was a possible fit. I met with the team, I rode their bike, liked the bike and the whole team. I have agreed to race this weekend.

As I write this John from Buersfoon Rockstar Suzuki is here at the track with his lawyer trying to stop me from racing.
I just got word that the red #80 will be racing this weekend. Thank you Youthstream, AMA, Giraboldi Honda, Josh Pitts, Andrea Giradello, family, friends, and fans!

Ciao!

englishman wrote:

You could start with the bigotry and go from there ?

Motodork wrote:

that is funny, money has no bigotry. trust is a 2 way street, I have to trust that you are a good customer just as the...

that is funny, money has no bigotry. trust is a 2 way street, I have to trust that you are a good customer just as the customer expects me to do what I agree to, I could never call a customer the next day and ask them to pay me more money because I didn't charge enough in the beginning. I have had customers come back to me at a later date and ask for money back because there friend ( usually someone from a forum like this one that they have never met) has told them they paid to much and they got there's much cheaper. and I believe all 20 of the people that have done this to me were from europe or russia or something, it is unbelievable, I understand where Michael Leib is coming from. If this wasn't normal business over there everybody would be calling this guy john out

englishman wrote:

You could start with the bigotry and go from there ?

Motodork wrote:

that is funny, money has no bigotry. trust is a 2 way street, I have to trust that you are a good customer just as the...

that is funny, money has no bigotry. trust is a 2 way street, I have to trust that you are a good customer just as the customer expects me to do what I agree to, I could never call a customer the next day and ask them to pay me more money because I didn't charge enough in the beginning. I have had customers come back to me at a later date and ask for money back because there friend ( usually someone from a forum like this one that they have never met) has told them they paid to much and they got there's much cheaper. and I believe all 20 of the people that have done this to me were from europe or russia or something, it is unbelievable, I understand where Michael Leib is coming from. If this wasn't normal business over there everybody would be calling this guy john out

englishman wrote:

You are right money has no bigotry but saying you do not do business with a person just because they are from Europe is bigotry. You...

You are right money has no bigotry but saying you do not do business with a person just because they are from Europe is bigotry.

You last sentence is pure bigotry.

I have had many bad dealings with Americans . Do I presume all Americans are bad ? Of course not !!

GuyB wrote:

Just spotted this on Michael Leib's Facebook page. Here's his side of the story. Hello from Italy! I thought it would be best to make a...

Just spotted this on Michael Leib's Facebook page. Here's his side of the story.


Hello from Italy! I thought it would be best to make a statement since things have gotten pretty interesting over here in Europe. I normally would not do this but I feel that my reputation has been on the line and want to set the record straight before racing for Giraboldi Honda this weekend at the G.P. in Maggiore, Italy.

The Beursfoon Rockstar Suzuki team offered me a verbal racing offer, no contract, for the 2013 GP’s here in Europe. After riding their bike in November I told them it had potential and I would be interested if they could build a bike capable of winning a GP. Months ago the team was presented with the full details of our motor and suspension package. The team insisted that after testing their bike, if I was not happy with the suspension or the motor they had the financial recourses to let me bring in my own suspension and motors, “this would not be an issue”.

I am 100% healthy and was able to ride 2 - 35 minute motos per day before I flew to Holland to test and prepare to race the French GP and was disappointed to find that the race motor was not ready and rode a close to stock motorcycle that was unacceptable. We agreed not to race the French GP. The following week the race motor was ready and I was looking forward to what it would do on the track. I was disappointed with the performance and mechanical issues we were faced with. My mechanic Roel, was working non-stop to correct all of the problems. Thank you for that Roel!

After almost three weeks of being in Holland and riding sub-par equipment that continually didn’t last more than 25 minutes and no explanation of what was wrong, I was unable to get them to agree to get my motors and suspension here.

On this past Monday we left for the 17 hour drive to Italy, I was unsettled about the situation to say the least, having little confidence since the team would not agree to do what they promised to do, to make this a competitive bike, this “was now an issue.”
15 hours into the trip, I talked to the team owner and he informed me that he was not going to consider even trying my motor, period. I told him that was not our deal and that I did not feel confident that I could race their bikes. He then turned the hauler around back to Holland and they dropped me off at the airport, thus terminating our agreement. Pretty upsetting.

While I was at the airport in Germany for roughly 8 hours trying to figure out what I was going to do with the rest of my life, I contacted every available race contact in Europe looking for a ride, there was nothing. At that point I looked into booking a flight home. A good friend here in Italy persuaded me to go the GP and shake hands before heading home to be sure there wasn’t another opportunity for me. I agreed to fly to Milan.

On Wednesday, Beursfoon Rockstar Suzuki released a press release stating, “we are immediately terminating our cooperation with Leib”..,

Now for the crazy part, John the team owner at Buersfoon Rockstar Suzuki, plans on suing me and is here in Italy demanding I pay him money or he will file a restraining order blocking me from riding. He has also communicated with every team he could reach telling them what a horrible person I am. He also demanded Youthstream not grant me an entry to race.

It's a shame, It's simply a matter of me standing up for what we discussed earlier in the year. Their bike is not competitive – they did not take the steps necessary to make it competitive. The level of performance that I'll be racing against is very high and Buersfoon Rockstar Suzuki knew full well that the only reason I agreed to race their bike was if it was really good.

I was given an opportunity to a last minute test with Girabadi Honda to see of there was a possible fit. I met with the team, I rode their bike, liked the bike and the whole team. I have agreed to race this weekend.

As I write this John from Buersfoon Rockstar Suzuki is here at the track with his lawyer trying to stop me from racing.
I just got word that the red #80 will be racing this weekend. Thank you Youthstream, AMA, Giraboldi Honda, Josh Pitts, Andrea Giradello, family, friends, and fans!

Ciao!

Sponsor of Beursfoon Suzuki wrote:

Hello everybody. I am a sponsor from Beursfoon Suzuki team and reading al this made me go on a forum for the first time. It's also...

Hello everybody.

I am a sponsor from Beursfoon Suzuki team and reading al this made me go on a forum for the first time.

It's also one of the things that makes me want to stop sponsoring this sport.
Reading this story above makes me just angry.

Beursfoon Suzuki team is a team that has never had any problems with riders.
You can google what you want but you will not find any negativity our something like that at all about Beursfoon Suzuki.
If you google Michael leib you will find much more.
Also please see the movie about Leib testing the Beursfoon Suzuki in the other topic about this. I am sorry I don't know how to put it here online. can some one please do that? thanks.

To make one thing clear John the team owner is not at all in Italy.
So I don't know why Leib is telling something like that, because that's a lie.
Today I spoke with the team owner at a local race in Holland Nieuw Vennep http://www.motocross-nieuwvennep.nl/
He was there with his team and rider Mike Kras and his two sons to race.

I spoke to John about what has happened., because for me as a sponsor this is also bad publicity.
John had a fill with him about this matter.
Before Leib has been on the racebike he already told that it was to slow. John thinks that is weird if you have not been on the bike yet! I agree on that.
Leib his dad and some friend are building engines and they told to the team last week that they have to buy a engine of them and even more engine or else Leib would not ride the Gp.
That's a way of selling that I have never used.

Also the team owner showed me today some banktransfers he made to Leib.
They already had paid him salary and even out of the agreement as a extra because Leib wanted that.
They have paid extra money for his trainers in the USA while Leib is in Holland? and that's why the team try to get there money back.

But the team owner let me today also see some emails from Team Gariboldi that they admit to team Beursfoon on email that Leib already have been in contact with them a week ago and Leib telling them that Leib was free with no paperwork or agreement. team Gariboldi has send it to Beursfoon Suzuki because they did not know Leib was committed to Beursfoon and they wanted no problems between each other.
Well I have seen the paperwork or agreement even Mr D Leib was on the emails about the agreements.
Team Gariboldi also have send John a email that was send on email from Leib himself to team Gariboldi last Sunday, and that was the day before team beursfoon and Leib went to Italie with the teamtruck.

Team Beursfoon found out about Leib trying to make deals with other teams and also because of the story about they have to buy there engines or else he would not ride made them to make a decision.
And that's why they turned the truck to go home, and thats why they end the co-operation with Michael Leib.

And that is the true story!

But please lets us all just end this story and try to learn something about it.

If you have a plan! stick to the plan.
If you have a deal stick to the deal, and don't go for more and more.
Because at the end you will be left empty handed.

This way of behavior has stoped already to much teams and sponsor in this sport.
And lets be honest we realy need the teams and people like me to sponsor the riders and teams.
And if riders keep on doing this there will be every year less teams and sponsors in this beautful sport of us.

Thank you for reading my story.

GuyB wrote:

Just spotted this on Michael Leib's Facebook page. Here's his side of the story. Hello from Italy! I thought it would be best to make a...

Just spotted this on Michael Leib's Facebook page. Here's his side of the story.


Hello from Italy! I thought it would be best to make a statement since things have gotten pretty interesting over here in Europe. I normally would not do this but I feel that my reputation has been on the line and want to set the record straight before racing for Giraboldi Honda this weekend at the G.P. in Maggiore, Italy.

The Beursfoon Rockstar Suzuki team offered me a verbal racing offer, no contract, for the 2013 GP’s here in Europe. After riding their bike in November I told them it had potential and I would be interested if they could build a bike capable of winning a GP. Months ago the team was presented with the full details of our motor and suspension package. The team insisted that after testing their bike, if I was not happy with the suspension or the motor they had the financial recourses to let me bring in my own suspension and motors, “this would not be an issue”.

I am 100% healthy and was able to ride 2 - 35 minute motos per day before I flew to Holland to test and prepare to race the French GP and was disappointed to find that the race motor was not ready and rode a close to stock motorcycle that was unacceptable. We agreed not to race the French GP. The following week the race motor was ready and I was looking forward to what it would do on the track. I was disappointed with the performance and mechanical issues we were faced with. My mechanic Roel, was working non-stop to correct all of the problems. Thank you for that Roel!

After almost three weeks of being in Holland and riding sub-par equipment that continually didn’t last more than 25 minutes and no explanation of what was wrong, I was unable to get them to agree to get my motors and suspension here.

On this past Monday we left for the 17 hour drive to Italy, I was unsettled about the situation to say the least, having little confidence since the team would not agree to do what they promised to do, to make this a competitive bike, this “was now an issue.”
15 hours into the trip, I talked to the team owner and he informed me that he was not going to consider even trying my motor, period. I told him that was not our deal and that I did not feel confident that I could race their bikes. He then turned the hauler around back to Holland and they dropped me off at the airport, thus terminating our agreement. Pretty upsetting.

While I was at the airport in Germany for roughly 8 hours trying to figure out what I was going to do with the rest of my life, I contacted every available race contact in Europe looking for a ride, there was nothing. At that point I looked into booking a flight home. A good friend here in Italy persuaded me to go the GP and shake hands before heading home to be sure there wasn’t another opportunity for me. I agreed to fly to Milan.

On Wednesday, Beursfoon Rockstar Suzuki released a press release stating, “we are immediately terminating our cooperation with Leib”..,

Now for the crazy part, John the team owner at Buersfoon Rockstar Suzuki, plans on suing me and is here in Italy demanding I pay him money or he will file a restraining order blocking me from riding. He has also communicated with every team he could reach telling them what a horrible person I am. He also demanded Youthstream not grant me an entry to race.

It's a shame, It's simply a matter of me standing up for what we discussed earlier in the year. Their bike is not competitive – they did not take the steps necessary to make it competitive. The level of performance that I'll be racing against is very high and Buersfoon Rockstar Suzuki knew full well that the only reason I agreed to race their bike was if it was really good.

I was given an opportunity to a last minute test with Girabadi Honda to see of there was a possible fit. I met with the team, I rode their bike, liked the bike and the whole team. I have agreed to race this weekend.

As I write this John from Buersfoon Rockstar Suzuki is here at the track with his lawyer trying to stop me from racing.
I just got word that the red #80 will be racing this weekend. Thank you Youthstream, AMA, Giraboldi Honda, Josh Pitts, Andrea Giradello, family, friends, and fans!

Ciao!

Sponsor of Beursfoon Suzuki wrote:

Hello everybody. I am a sponsor from Beursfoon Suzuki team and reading al this made me go on a forum for the first time. It's also...

Hello everybody.

I am a sponsor from Beursfoon Suzuki team and reading al this made me go on a forum for the first time.

It's also one of the things that makes me want to stop sponsoring this sport.
Reading this story above makes me just angry.

Beursfoon Suzuki team is a team that has never had any problems with riders.
You can google what you want but you will not find any negativity our something like that at all about Beursfoon Suzuki.
If you google Michael leib you will find much more.
Also please see the movie about Leib testing the Beursfoon Suzuki in the other topic about this. I am sorry I don't know how to put it here online. can some one please do that? thanks.

To make one thing clear John the team owner is not at all in Italy.
So I don't know why Leib is telling something like that, because that's a lie.
Today I spoke with the team owner at a local race in Holland Nieuw Vennep http://www.motocross-nieuwvennep.nl/
He was there with his team and rider Mike Kras and his two sons to race.

I spoke to John about what has happened., because for me as a sponsor this is also bad publicity.
John had a fill with him about this matter.
Before Leib has been on the racebike he already told that it was to slow. John thinks that is weird if you have not been on the bike yet! I agree on that.
Leib his dad and some friend are building engines and they told to the team last week that they have to buy a engine of them and even more engine or else Leib would not ride the Gp.
That's a way of selling that I have never used.

Also the team owner showed me today some banktransfers he made to Leib.
They already had paid him salary and even out of the agreement as a extra because Leib wanted that.
They have paid extra money for his trainers in the USA while Leib is in Holland? and that's why the team try to get there money back.

But the team owner let me today also see some emails from Team Gariboldi that they admit to team Beursfoon on email that Leib already have been in contact with them a week ago and Leib telling them that Leib was free with no paperwork or agreement. team Gariboldi has send it to Beursfoon Suzuki because they did not know Leib was committed to Beursfoon and they wanted no problems between each other.
Well I have seen the paperwork or agreement even Mr D Leib was on the emails about the agreements.
Team Gariboldi also have send John a email that was send on email from Leib himself to team Gariboldi last Sunday, and that was the day before team beursfoon and Leib went to Italie with the teamtruck.

Team Beursfoon found out about Leib trying to make deals with other teams and also because of the story about they have to buy there engines or else he would not ride made them to make a decision.
And that's why they turned the truck to go home, and thats why they end the co-operation with Michael Leib.

And that is the true story!

But please lets us all just end this story and try to learn something about it.

If you have a plan! stick to the plan.
If you have a deal stick to the deal, and don't go for more and more.
Because at the end you will be left empty handed.

This way of behavior has stoped already to much teams and sponsor in this sport.
And lets be honest we realy need the teams and people like me to sponsor the riders and teams.
And if riders keep on doing this there will be every year less teams and sponsors in this beautful sport of us.

Thank you for reading my story.

Huckster wrote:

Kongols are you short by chance?

For what it's worth, Ryan Mills never got paid and had equipment issues as well when he was over there....

gsxrcr28 wrote:

It would be awesome to see RV race the GP's.

Good luck to Leib.

gsxrcr28 wrote:

It would be awesome to see RV race the GP's.

Good luck to Leib.

BobbyM wrote:

A retired RV would win so handily he might just have his brother race half of em.

500guy wrote:

is nobody smart enough to keep their mouth shut ? this is like the Kardashians trying to adopt Britney Spears.