Opinion; Are Moto Journalists

Crisp BRAAAP! 3/15/2013 10:13am
3/15/2013 10:13am
As Matthes mentioned, this question was beat to death on his podcasts. I honestly thought it was addressed too much. It was all over Pulp and on the BTO review podcast. Ad nauseum. And kongois, you should just go back and at least listen to Pulp and the review podcasts since it's clear you didn't listen to them already. Complain after that.
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jtomasik 3/15/2013 10:16am
3/15/2013 10:16am Edited Date/Time 3/15/2013 10:18am
Jeezus. It's just a sport. It's entertainment. Unless you're directly affected by it, why care? If you race, and it isn't happening at your level, why care? If you get your money from the sport, but that incident didn't affect you, why care?

I don't blame moto journalists for not putting their welfare on the line by turning this into some big issue. It's not worth it. The only people who should give a shit are the guys on the teams who were directly affected by the outcome. If they're not whining, it's probably telling.

I wish Americans (and Kongolians...lol) would care as much about their friends, families, and the behavior of their government, as much as they gave a crap about unimportant entertainment shit like this. Sit down, shut up, have a beer, watch the race, enjoy it as time off from reality, and tomorrow go bitch to your Congressman about what the government is doing, which affects not only you, but also your family, your fellow citizen, and even other people on the planet. That matters. This doesn't.
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kongols 3/15/2013 10:19am
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Crisp BRAAAP! wrote:
As Matthes mentioned, this question was beat to death on his podcasts. I honestly thought it was addressed too much. It was all over Pulp and...
As Matthes mentioned, this question was beat to death on his podcasts. I honestly thought it was addressed too much. It was all over Pulp and on the BTO review podcast. Ad nauseum. And kongois, you should just go back and at least listen to Pulp and the review podcasts since it's clear you didn't listen to them already. Complain after that.
Did anybody ask AMA official do riders have to start learning AMA flat track , road racing , superbike, hillclimb e.c.t. rulebooks cause they might pull some rules out of them in random and apply them to supercross?
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Titan1 3/15/2013 10:20am
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Moto is too small to have actual "journalists" (in the sense that they'll look for, dig up, and report dirt on the stars and teams in the sport).

I don't blame the journalists for that though...I'm sure they'd love to be able to do that, but the sport is just too small and they'd be out of work...so they have to stay on the "good side" of the teams and riders in order to have a job.

So we fans get the shaft on actual "news"...because the teams and riders don't want to have anything "negative" reported about them (though I can't blame them for flexing that muscle, either).

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JLong 3/15/2013 11:23am
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JLong wrote:
This was more of a question of the position of the last yellow flagger than that of the rules. RV was able to pass when the...
This was more of a question of the position of the last yellow flagger than that of the rules. RV was able to pass when the track went back to yellow. And that he did.
kongols wrote:
[size=28][color=red]Yellow flag does not nullify red cross flag.[/color][/size]
How are the riders supposed to know when they've past the area of concern?

They're not rubberneckers, they're racers.

And based on the rules, a yellow flag would signify the racers are past the area of concern.
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kongols 3/15/2013 11:24am
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JLong wrote:
How are the riders supposed to know when they've past the area of concern? They're not rubberneckers, they're racers. And based on the rules, a yellow...
How are the riders supposed to know when they've past the area of concern?

They're not rubberneckers, they're racers.

And based on the rules, a yellow flag would signify the racers are past the area of concern.
What? What do you mean "a yellow flag would signify the racers are past the area of concern."
Holy shit!
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kongols 3/15/2013 11:26am
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Now I know why nobody asks any questions. Now I`ve seen it all.
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72kiteboarder 3/15/2013 11:31am
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JLong wrote:
This was more of a question of the position of the last yellow flagger than that of the rules. RV was able to pass when the...
This was more of a question of the position of the last yellow flagger than that of the rules. RV was able to pass when the track went back to yellow. And that he did.
kongols wrote:
[size=28][color=red]Yellow flag does not nullify red cross flag.[/color][/size]
JLong wrote:
How are the riders supposed to know when they've past the area of concern? They're not rubberneckers, they're racers. And based on the rules, a yellow...
How are the riders supposed to know when they've past the area of concern?

They're not rubberneckers, they're racers.

And based on the rules, a yellow flag would signify the racers are past the area of concern.
I understand what you are asking and I think a green flag should be used to signify when/where normal racing can resume.

But that particular incident is not in question here. Only the fact that the AMA passed out a penalty to a rider mid race in violation of the rules and then gave a BS reason for it and no moto journalists will call them out, write an expose or even dare to question it in print.
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MXerDW 3/15/2013 11:44am
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Kongols, Matthes did ask about the midrace penalty. You need to listen from the 1hr 11min mark to about 1hr 20 min mark on this podcast.

http://pulpmxshow.com/show/148

Matthes I stand corrected and thanks for asking the question to Kevin about the midrace penalty..
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Outsider 3/15/2013 11:55am
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kongols wrote:
Now I know why nobody asks any questions. Now I`ve seen it all.
You have no credibility to your position because everyone knows that if it was Stewart doing the passing, you would be praising the AMA's decision.

Therefore, I conclude you should Shut the Fuck Up.
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kongols 3/15/2013 11:56am
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MXerDW wrote:
Kongols, Matthes did ask about the midrace penalty. You need to listen from the 1hr 11min mark to about 1hr 20 min mark on this podcast...
Kongols, Matthes did ask about the midrace penalty. You need to listen from the 1hr 11min mark to about 1hr 20 min mark on this podcast.

http://pulpmxshow.com/show/148

Matthes I stand corrected and thanks for asking the question to Kevin about the midrace penalty..
What kind of rules are " other forms of racing does that so we did it too" . Where in a rule book is that?
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kongols 3/15/2013 11:57am
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kongols wrote:
Now I know why nobody asks any questions. Now I`ve seen it all.
Outsider wrote:
You have no credibility to your position because everyone knows that if it was Stewart doing the passing, you would be praising the AMA's decision. Therefore...
You have no credibility to your position because everyone knows that if it was Stewart doing the passing, you would be praising the AMA's decision.

Therefore, I conclude you should Shut the Fuck Up.
Get fuck out of here. This is about AMA not Your love of life.
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TerryB 3/15/2013 12:06pm
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Outsider wrote:
You have no credibility to your position because everyone knows that if it was Stewart doing the passing, you would be praising the AMA's decision. Therefore...
You have no credibility to your position because everyone knows that if it was Stewart doing the passing, you would be praising the AMA's decision.

Therefore, I conclude you should Shut the Fuck Up.
This much is fact.
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kongols 3/15/2013 12:09pm
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MXerDW wrote:
Kongols, Matthes did ask about the midrace penalty. You need to listen from the 1hr 11min mark to about 1hr 20 min mark on this podcast...
Kongols, Matthes did ask about the midrace penalty. You need to listen from the 1hr 11min mark to about 1hr 20 min mark on this podcast.

http://pulpmxshow.com/show/148

Matthes I stand corrected and thanks for asking the question to Kevin about the midrace penalty..
To be clear I do not think he asked any question. He asked chronology of decisions and events and AMA officials opinion. That`s it.
wired4speed 3/15/2013 12:22pm
3/15/2013 12:22pm Edited Date/Time 3/15/2013 12:25pm
I think our sport is comprised of a small market share and considering that fact I believe that there are limits to just how far a "journalist" needs to go to deliver worthy news. Between live tv, next day tv coverage and sites like Vital I think there is a tremendous amount of state side motocross and supercross journalism. Are you going to upset any corporate sponsor? Nope. Track banners on mx tracks look like shit and block the view of fans who actually went to the event but most journalists walk the inside of these tracks and brush off the amount of track drapery as a necessary evil that the sport needs and nothing can be done about it in today's tv advertisement market. Also questions as to is it fair that some teams get exclusive tire compounds don't seem to be blatantly asked. James Stewart already showed in the last race that the wrong tire may have cost him getting an 8th place finish instead of 1st place win so questions like " what is the difference between a privateer tire and a factory tire and should there be this type of discrepancy" never seems to considered a fair question to ask a factory manager or an AMA official. The AMA is concerned about testing fuel for an unfair advantage. Other than that, I don't need to listen to a shit load of personal information and gossip about a rider's life outside of moto.
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Toste 3/15/2013 12:23pm
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MXerDW wrote:
Kongols, Matthes did ask about the midrace penalty. You need to listen from the 1hr 11min mark to about 1hr 20 min mark on this podcast...
Kongols, Matthes did ask about the midrace penalty. You need to listen from the 1hr 11min mark to about 1hr 20 min mark on this podcast.

http://pulpmxshow.com/show/148

Matthes I stand corrected and thanks for asking the question to Kevin about the midrace penalty..
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To be clear I do not think he asked any question. He asked chronology of decisions and events and AMA officials opinion. That`s it.
He asks straight up at the 1:16 mark. You may not like the answer Kevin Crowther gave (I don't either, by the way), but you can't say Matthes didn't ask him.
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MXerDW 3/15/2013 12:25pm
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They talk about the midrace penalty at the 1hr 12min mark - 1hr 14 min mark, and again at the 1hr 16 min mark - 1hr 18min mark. Sorry you are not getting the answer you want, but Matthes and Kevin tried to cover it.
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kongols 3/15/2013 12:28pm
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Toste wrote:
He asks straight up at the 1:16 mark. You may not like the answer Kevin Crowther gave (I don't either, by the way), but you can't...
He asks straight up at the 1:16 mark. You may not like the answer Kevin Crowther gave (I don't either, by the way), but you can't say Matthes didn't ask him.
And the answer "ehh, it came from other forms of racing" did not seem bullshit enough to a journalist? He`s a mechanic, he`s been on a trackside showing pitboard he should know what`s in a rulebook.

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Sully22 3/15/2013 12:30pm
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I think faboi is the correct term that should be used here, if I'm not mistaken. It's hard to have credibility or be taken seriously in scenario like this where rules and official calls come into question when fanboisms cloud judgement and past posts / history clearly indicate which side of the coin one will come down on no matter what the explanation.
Brad Nemeth 3/15/2013 1:09pm
3/15/2013 1:09pm
kongols wrote:
I haven`t seen ANYBODY ask any AMA official why they penalized RV mid race.
Matthes wrote:
Must not have happened then. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ on this thread. Comes up every month or so. We're all trying our best out there, if you think you...
Must not have happened then.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ on this thread. Comes up every month or so. We're all trying our best out there, if you think you can do better then you're free to start up an "Everything Exposed in MX" website and get rich.
How many babies died because RV didn't get a penalty?

Journalists in all sports walk a fine line between the general public and the athletes they cover. If you want to risk your lively hood over proving conspiracy theory's quit your job and dedicate your life too routing the evil out of motocross.

See how ridiculous that sounds?
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SlingShot 3/15/2013 1:19pm
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Camel toe.
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Toste 3/15/2013 1:35pm
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Toste wrote:
He asks straight up at the 1:16 mark. You may not like the answer Kevin Crowther gave (I don't either, by the way), but you can't...
He asks straight up at the 1:16 mark. You may not like the answer Kevin Crowther gave (I don't either, by the way), but you can't say Matthes didn't ask him.
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And the answer "ehh, it came from other forms of racing" did not seem bullshit enough to a journalist? He`s a mechanic, he`s been on a...
And the answer "ehh, it came from other forms of racing" did not seem bullshit enough to a journalist? He`s a mechanic, he`s been on a trackside showing pitboard he should know what`s in a rulebook.
Like I said, I thought his answer sucked too.

I would have liked it if Matthes would have asked what the ruling would've been had there been no restart. Beyond that, I'm not sure what more could be expected of him. Waterboarding?
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JLong 3/15/2013 1:48pm
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How are the riders supposed to know when they've past the area of concern? They're not rubberneckers, they're racers. And based on the rules, a yellow...
How are the riders supposed to know when they've past the area of concern?

They're not rubberneckers, they're racers.

And based on the rules, a yellow flag would signify the racers are past the area of concern.
kongols wrote:
What? What do you mean "a yellow flag would signify the racers are past the area of concern."
Holy shit!
I know I'm not holding hands with you on your merry little witch hunt, so this will be difficult.

Being that Kiniry was on his bike attempting to restart it after the last yellow flag your argument is invalid.
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TerryK 3/15/2013 3:54pm
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JLong wrote:
This was more of a question of the position of the last yellow flagger than that of the rules. RV was able to pass when the...
This was more of a question of the position of the last yellow flagger than that of the rules. RV was able to pass when the track went back to yellow. And that he did.
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[size=28][color=red]Yellow flag does not nullify red cross flag.[/color][/size]
WTF is wrong with you? Have you had an undiagnosed closed head injury? Why is the video of the "incident" not registered. The answer is right there on vid, yet you still cant see it.
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avidchimp 3/15/2013 5:06pm
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This shit is getting really old.
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72kiteboarder 3/15/2013 5:35pm
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This shit is getting really old.
I know right. When is someone going to really do in depth investigative style reporting on Moto?
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500guy 3/15/2013 6:09pm
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SlingShot wrote:
Camel toe.
I know I heard it, TFS say's I didn't
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The Rock 3/15/2013 6:26pm
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It is apparent that some people make posts just to pull people's chains.

PS Weege is the man. Love that guy's work!
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72kiteboarder 3/15/2013 7:08pm
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See what they do when you question their lack of questioning? They send it to the dungeon.



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lostboy819 3/15/2013 7:25pm
3/15/2013 7:25pm
Moto Journalists are not journalists, they are cheerleaders.

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