Future of World SX

Alex wrote:

they don't take 10,000 from the riders. They take it from the teams. If this is as stupid an idea as people on here want to...

they don't take 10,000 from the riders. They take it from the teams. If this is as stupid an idea as people on here want to make out then I guess the number of teams for Valkenswaard 09 would be down. Thing is, official teams for 09 have already been anounced and thats not the case is it.

If riding GPs is so financialy unfeasable for non factory riders why is it that the likes of Osbourne, Saylor and Graham find themselves in GPs? Not to mention DV returning to a privately funded team for his outdoor only ride. Wheres all the 'rich' private teams in US (where bike sales in Cali outdo the continent of Europe) when these guys need a mx ride?

Supercross is king no doubt but it seems as soon as the sx seasons ended the support is just not the same for the outdoors. Maybe people should stop critisising every YS decision and actualy pay closer attention to the detail and economic reasons behind them. theres a sound business reasoning behind their policies and evidence of change is allready apparent to those who bother to pay attention.

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Except that Steve despises LN as much, if not more, than DC. Unless Dorna, who has the World SX rights (not YS) runs it or sells...

Except that Steve despises LN as much, if not more, than DC. Unless Dorna, who has the World SX rights (not YS) runs it or sells its rights in some deal that takes both it and LN out

Running it up the flag pole at the OEM's in Japan is just asking them to rob peter to pay paul. It's not like they're going to cough up more money for dirt bike racing; if the FIM wants to take SX worldwide and make it MotoGP for dirt bikes, it's going to cost both outdoor series.

Maybe that's good, maybe that's bad, maybe it's a miscalculation and actually presents an opportunity here.

Alex wrote:

they don't take 10,000 from the riders. They take it from the teams. If this is as stupid an idea as people on here want to...

they don't take 10,000 from the riders. They take it from the teams. If this is as stupid an idea as people on here want to make out then I guess the number of teams for Valkenswaard 09 would be down. Thing is, official teams for 09 have already been anounced and thats not the case is it.

If riding GPs is so financialy unfeasable for non factory riders why is it that the likes of Osbourne, Saylor and Graham find themselves in GPs? Not to mention DV returning to a privately funded team for his outdoor only ride. Wheres all the 'rich' private teams in US (where bike sales in Cali outdo the continent of Europe) when these guys need a mx ride?

Supercross is king no doubt but it seems as soon as the sx seasons ended the support is just not the same for the outdoors. Maybe people should stop critisising every YS decision and actualy pay closer attention to the detail and economic reasons behind them. theres a sound business reasoning behind their policies and evidence of change is allready apparent to those who bother to pay attention.

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WhipMeister wrote:

What might be cool would be a five or so race 'Final' series involving the top 10 Americans against the top 10 FIM riders.

Alex wrote:

Not sure what your point is but if your implying that its good for a series to have Privateers (and by that I mean people not...

Not sure what your point is but if your implying that its good for a series to have Privateers (and by that I mean people not under a team awning) Then your wrong. The goal that both Luongo and Coombs will be working towards is creating enough well funded teams to have all the series riders under a teams awning and provided with bikes. Maybe once this is achieved we can move to a situation where they are all getting paid too.

I feel that GPs are getting close to this goal despite the obviouse lack of parity in terms of salary, for those at the very front of each series (this has more to do with Supercross contracts than mx). One look at the GP non qualifiers in recent weeks and the names are not those of privateers, but well supported riders. This week guys like Saylor and Verhoeven last week Campano and Chiodi.

The way GPs are run has come under constant critisism from those in America but when some top 10 finishers in the nationals are saying they can't afford to get to the races and yet people like Mellotte (finishing often outside the top 20) are on 6 figure salaries you have to reconsider if GPs are really so badly run.

Comparing the contracts of riders in the top 10 of each series as a way of drawing light on the respective strength of the series is pointless, on account of the giant Supercross contracts. Looking further down the field is a little more revealing. Its clear that both series have a long way to go but GPs have also come a long way since DORNA and that never seems to get acknowledged.

Alex wrote:

Molson holdings (main Sponsor) I'm pretty sure are in administration. Mike church who owns the team has his personal money in construction (MJ Church) which is...

Molson holdings (main Sponsor) I'm pretty sure are in administration. Mike church who owns the team has his personal money in construction (MJ Church) which is seeing its worst crisis in the UK since the 1970s. The manager of the team is going to be having a baby in January (with coppins) its hardly likely Mikes gonna want to take over managing the team with all thats on his plate, so theres some pretty clear reasons why Molson has decided to shut up shop. Are you really surprised that Jan de Groots widow, whos in her 60s would want to sell up?

You are to GPs what TFS is to the nationals Every time someone says something positive about GPs you seem desperate to get in and slander them, regardless of any facts. Whats the deal? move on.

Alex wrote:

Not sure what your point is but if your implying that its good for a series to have Privateers (and by that I mean people not...

Not sure what your point is but if your implying that its good for a series to have Privateers (and by that I mean people not under a team awning) Then your wrong. The goal that both Luongo and Coombs will be working towards is creating enough well funded teams to have all the series riders under a teams awning and provided with bikes. Maybe once this is achieved we can move to a situation where they are all getting paid too.

I feel that GPs are getting close to this goal despite the obviouse lack of parity in terms of salary, for those at the very front of each series (this has more to do with Supercross contracts than mx). One look at the GP non qualifiers in recent weeks and the names are not those of privateers, but well supported riders. This week guys like Saylor and Verhoeven last week Campano and Chiodi.

The way GPs are run has come under constant critisism from those in America but when some top 10 finishers in the nationals are saying they can't afford to get to the races and yet people like Mellotte (finishing often outside the top 20) are on 6 figure salaries you have to reconsider if GPs are really so badly run.

Comparing the contracts of riders in the top 10 of each series as a way of drawing light on the respective strength of the series is pointless, on account of the giant Supercross contracts. Looking further down the field is a little more revealing. Its clear that both series have a long way to go but GPs have also come a long way since DORNA and that never seems to get acknowledged.

Alex wrote:

Not sure what your point is but if your implying that its good for a series to have Privateers (and by that I mean people not...

Not sure what your point is but if your implying that its good for a series to have Privateers (and by that I mean people not under a team awning) Then your wrong. The goal that both Luongo and Coombs will be working towards is creating enough well funded teams to have all the series riders under a teams awning and provided with bikes. Maybe once this is achieved we can move to a situation where they are all getting paid too.

I feel that GPs are getting close to this goal despite the obviouse lack of parity in terms of salary, for those at the very front of each series (this has more to do with Supercross contracts than mx). One look at the GP non qualifiers in recent weeks and the names are not those of privateers, but well supported riders. This week guys like Saylor and Verhoeven last week Campano and Chiodi.

The way GPs are run has come under constant critisism from those in America but when some top 10 finishers in the nationals are saying they can't afford to get to the races and yet people like Mellotte (finishing often outside the top 20) are on 6 figure salaries you have to reconsider if GPs are really so badly run.

Comparing the contracts of riders in the top 10 of each series as a way of drawing light on the respective strength of the series is pointless, on account of the giant Supercross contracts. Looking further down the field is a little more revealing. Its clear that both series have a long way to go but GPs have also come a long way since DORNA and that never seems to get acknowledged.

Shenzi wrote:

Which Top 10 rider in the AMA National series has stopped racing this year because he/they can't afford to go to the races? Some riders and...

Which Top 10 rider in the AMA National series has stopped racing this year because he/they can't afford to go to the races?

Some riders and teams are struggling to break even, for sure. Same in the European world championship. Some make 6 figures in Europe. LOL! Same and more here.

I think more privateers and small guys make decent money from sponsors here in the US than Europe. They don't make a fortune but they live from it and they race year round.

Alex wrote:

OK I thought your point was theres a lot of privateers in American racing wich is a good thing but since i cant work out if...

OK I thought your point was theres a lot of privateers in American racing wich is a good thing but since i cant work out if your post 'You never have been to the outdoors and seen how many privateers are at the races in the states huh?' - (wich incidentaly is wrongo) is a question or a statement perhaps you can clarify your point.

Alex wrote:

OK I thought your point was theres a lot of privateers in American racing wich is a good thing but since i cant work out if...

OK I thought your point was theres a lot of privateers in American racing wich is a good thing but since i cant work out if your post 'You never have been to the outdoors and seen how many privateers are at the races in the states huh?' - (wich incidentaly is wrongo) is a question or a statement perhaps you can clarify your point.

Sinbad wrote:

The American scene as far as privateers go is about the same as Europe without the 10k. Yes we do get riders like the one I...

The American scene as far as privateers go is about the same as Europe without the 10k. Yes we do get riders like the one I helped out that pit out of a van but it's very few now. Most riders, even the privateers now fly to the races and if they are not in a rig like WWR or Atomic energy they still have a really sick set up. The Euro scene and the American's is about the same with Europe doing something’s better than America and America doing something's better than Europe with both sides being so arrogant they cant see what’s best for the MX scene which is a merger of the GP and the American series.

Alex wrote:

-'You have attacked the AMA Nationals, by pure partisanship, as much as I criticize the MXGP, so I don't see why you would call me desperate...

-'You have attacked the AMA Nationals, by pure partisanship, as much as I criticize the MXGP, so I don't see why you would call me desperate

Where on earth did you get the idea that i'd 'attacked' the AMA series??? I see your negative posts about GPs and just wan't to defend the sport. Its as if your offended by the idea tha YS would put out positive press. Thats its job! its not like they run a magazine and write there own press, they just put out press releases. Nothing to stress about. I'm sure that if I followed every MXSports press release with some kind of negative BS people wouldn't stand for it and nor should they, The nationals kick ass, same as GPs.

-'but every time I see a blatant, honky dory, all is great in paradise, posts and support from you, I tend to want to reply.r it


Why? thats bizarre lol, whats so bad about being positive? If you said something something positive about the Natioanls, would anyone feel the need to counter that with a negative post?, I hope not that would be stupid.

mxgeoff wrote:

Shenzi,

Don't make comments about his Kawasaki thing without knowing details. It's makes you look silly.

Geoff

mxgeoff wrote:

Shenzi,

Don't make comments about his Kawasaki thing without knowing details. It's makes you look silly.

Geoff

Shenzi wrote:

I just said that those 3 teams were going, like Moto Verte described it. Nothing else. That's all. http://motoverte.com/site/gp-belgique-rumeurs-de-paddock-34032.html [quote]Un paddock encore en état de choc...

I just said that those 3 teams were going, like Moto Verte described it. Nothing else. That's all.

http://motoverte.com/site/gp-belgique-rumeurs-de-paddock-34032.html

Un paddock encore en état de choc après l’annonce du retrait du team Molson, considéré comme l’une des structures les plus sérieuses et les plus solides du milieu. Le fait que Mike Church et ses enfants aient décidé d’arrêter une aventure commencée il y a plus de dix ans est une véritable alerte, au moment même où le promoteur du mondial prévoit une réforme – voir le dernier MX Magazine – qui risque de poser de gros problèmes aux petites structures et barre définitivement l’accès des pilotes privés aux GP. La cession d’activité de Molson met sur la touche quatre pilotes – dont Gautier Paulin, qui devrait rebondir puisqu’il avait deux ans de contrat avec Kawasaki – autant de mécanos et trois ou quatre autres personnes dont Fred Lavergne, le motoriste de l’équipe aussi marqué par la nouvelle que ses collègues de travail.

Kawa doit se ré-organiser
Le retrait de Molson oblige du même coup Kawasaki à revoir sa copie, puisque cette structure était la structure officielle des verts en MX2. Grâce aux excellentes performances de Steven Frossard – qui a resigné pour un an – le team CLS va bénéficier d’un sérieux coup de main des verts, sans pour autant endosser le statut de team officiel. Y en aura-t-il un ? Trop tôt pour le dire, la nouvelle étant des plus fraiches, mais la venue de Steve Guttridge en charge du programme course des Verts témoigne de l’activité du moment. Cette nouvelle tombe au moment où les Verts ont enfin une vision claire de leur programme MX1, après l’arrêt du team GPKR – Patrick Geladé le boss de Gepa prenant du recul – et la cession du team KRT de Ellen de Groot. La veuve du regretté Jan avait toujours dit qu’elle vendrait le team fin 2008, et le nom officiel du repreneur ne devrait tarder à être officialisé. Seule certitude du moment, le pilote numéro 1 de Kawa restera Seb Pourcel, qui aura un équipier non désigné à cette heure.

I'm sure you can get the translation of that one.

Shenzi wrote:

I totally understand and got this through the article, except the Pourcel take-over, as you can see it only says that GPKR is stopping and Mrs...

I totally understand and got this through the article, except the Pourcel take-over, as you can see it only says that GPKR is stopping and Mrs de Groot is trying to sell but will probably close.

I never "tried to say that it was because of YS", I showed that some teams are closing on your side too. Be it for economical reasons (like when it happens in the US), or else. Your buddy Alex just has it a bit too pink, you need to spice it with a tiny zest of reality sometimes.

But if you get the right translation and read this:

"fait que Mike Church et ses enfants aient décidé d’arrêter une aventure commencée il y a plus de dix ans est une véritable alerte, au moment même où le promoteur du mondial prévoit une réforme – voir le dernier MX Magazine – qui risque de poser de gros problèmes aux petites structures et barre définitivement l’accès des pilotes privés aux GP."

You would think that MV doesn't agree with you. There seem to be some cause and effect in that comment.

mxgeoff wrote:

A French website, mate, they are always negative. Pourcel is stopping because he is buying the De Groot team, which is of course stopping because, as...

A French website, mate, they are always negative.

Pourcel is stopping because he is buying the De Groot team, which is of course stopping because, as mentioned Mrs De Groot wants out.

So what we have is Molson stopping. Owned by Mike Church this team is stopping, but team manager and daughter of the owner Lisa Church is becoming a mother soon, so won't be around, Tom Church the son is from what I hear going to CCM and leading sponsors are pulling out.

Hope that makes sense.

Geoff

vet954 wrote:

Since the title of this thread is World SX how does everyone think the top 20 GP riders will do racing 20 rounds of supercross? Do...

Since the title of this thread is World SX how does everyone think the top 20 GP riders will do racing 20 rounds of supercross? Do the GP riders love supercross? Will they stop racing the GP's? Will the GP's survive the injury attritition rate? Do the euro's love 90' triple jumps twice per lap? Do the 45 second lap times and 14 minute main events suite the euro style?

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Geoff, you can't even hold Xavier's jockstrap. Not even in your fantasy world.