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So I know that "nobody knows" any details about what happened, but what I'm surprised about is that nobody in the media is even speculating about what happened...
Do you guys think that Chapparal simply didn't pay the money agreed upon?
I would think that the most likely scenario.
Do you guys think that Chapparal simply didn't pay the money agreed upon?
I would think that the most likely scenario.
Now maybe I'm wrong and Chaparral defaulted, in which case L&Mc are handling the situation fine.
http://www.racerxonline.com/2013/01/24/rapid-reaxtion-shutting-the-doors
http://www.racerxonline.com/2013/01/24/lmc-racing-shuts-doors-for-2013
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If Chapparal held up their end of the bargain and are getting drug across the carpet then someone needs to set the record straight. If the welched on their end of the deal, they need to be drug across the carpet at a very high rate of speed. Especially since they have all that #29 action on the front cover of their catalog. If Short got beat out of some money by whomever, as a long time fan of the sport, I'd like to know that as well. Simply put, I don't want to be singing the praises of or supporting any deadbeat.
As to my comments in other places about Sponsors backing out: I'm seeing that I left suspicion at Chaparral's/Dave's door...that's not my intention...
My Bad.
Throughout the last 2 yrs...Larry had some folks lined up for sponsorship that would change their minds...it seems...right at "closing time". That's how I was told things went down. Even heard the "business is slow; so, we're not gonna pay you" straight from the mgmt.
At this point in time, all I care about is Andrew. He's a guy that's answered all of our prayers when it comes to the ideas of a "role model" & "professional athelete" & "true grit"...
Yet, guess who got left with NOTHING?
No Pay, No Bikes.
Nothing.
So, he gets his own PRODUCTION BIKES & goes back out there!
He IS my "Champion".
He IS what this Sport Needs.
I want that damn Blue Plate back & I want to see Andrew earn it this year.
He IS my Champion.
Short's one of the good guys. The sport in general shouldn't be tolerant of one of it's best examples getting shit upon.
1. A lot of this has to do, so I am to understand, with deals that simply didn't come thru...actually..."before the fact"...and "Real Title Sponsorship" dollars never being as much as needed.
2. Don't go asking for answers that you REALLY don't want. Why? When it comes to Andrew's plight...well...it breaks my heart to look at the names involved. I like these people; but, they F'd up when it comes to Andrew. It's as simple as that.
So, let's not go on a Witch-Hunt and let's hope this get's resolved...
Amicably and between "Friends".
It looks like more of a matter of someone telling Chaparral, "Hey, float us for a little while, we have _________ lined up to sponsor is....just cover us until they come on board."
Well, ___________ never came on board, and Chaparral said "Alright boys, I'm done floating your team."
The same thing probably happened with Supercross.com. And, jsut to throw another wrench into it, doesnt Rick Johnson own supercross.com?
But, now, because someone at L&Mc won't come out and say ^^^this^^^ it is making it look as if Chaparral is the bad guy, when in actuality they are the good guy.
The only question I have is, who did Brooks think he was going to get to come on board?
Just sweep it under the rug, hell of a concept there!
Seems like most in this thread agree, that's good to see!
If the sponsor didn't pay, Chapparal, I want to know. On occasion I shop at that joint and I will stop if they snubbed MC and Short.
[url]http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/SHORT-MC-BROOKS-THE-REAL-…]
How is what Newmann said different from what you said just a few days ago, Mikexxx?
Let's leave the speculating to the forums where it rightfully belongs. hahaha
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MC and LB promised to pay Short, they didnt and as the owners of the team they should have, and hopefully as "friends" they can work this out.
If I were MC I wouldnt deal with LB ever again. Not saying he is a bad guy or not a good team leader, but take a look at the last couple of teams he has run and tell me how those have worked out.
I do know that MC is the King of Supercross and Honda's test rider. And how they couldnt come up with a deal is beyond me. I see that being LB's problem. MC was there as the name and LB was doing the deals behind the closed doors.
I could be way off base but as a fan, thats exactly how I see this from the outside looking in. There should be something to clarify what all happened, I dont need details, but something so there is no assumptions being made.
Team business is private business. They're not publicly held companies that have to answer to shareholders in quarterly P&L's and reports, they're private enterprises, and because of that, they don't have to explain anything to any one of us publicly.
If an individual or an existing sponsor has an issue in regards to the team's closure or finances, that's between them and "L&Mc, the company"
Bottom line, and with all due respect, it's "none of your beeswax"
As a consumer I believe I have the right to know, if a company is dishonest and ultimately "screwing their employees". We all know about WalMarts mentality in this regard.
So, as a consumer don't I have the right to know and NOT spend my money with such a company?
Really, besides caring for the individual-Short, I really don't care, it's the world today. But trying to say it's none of the consumers business can't be considered logical... can it?
In addition, if privacy is such a concern, shouldn't the parties AT FAULT take the proper steps to ensure such a thing doesn't happen????????????????????????
Lastly, why would anyone try to protect the guilty party here? Saying it's none of our business, is like saying we shouldn't question our government or anything else for that matter..
http://www.andrewshort.com/sponsors
Jason Weigandt - "Before you condemn Larry Brooks over the collapse of the Chaparral Honda team, keep in mind what the team was supposed to be. During the entire run up to this program, in 2011, Brooks was assured he had San Manuel's big money as a title sponsor, and that would have easily covered the bill. Then, right before the 2012 season, San Manuel went through a management change and decided to about-face on the racing thing, leaving Brooks with a team, infrustructure and contracts, but without a sponsor.
Since then he's been trying to patch it together, but even last year's addition of Chaparral wasn't enough--Brooks told me in Phoenix they knew all along they'd need even more funding, and the money was getting tight. He had irons in the fire that weekend and hoped to have something new for Anaheim 2. We didn't see anything new there, and after the race, Shorty's works Honda had to be returned to the factory Honda rig. The team was no more."
Steve Matthes - "It seemed like a great thing when Larry Brooks teamed up with Jeremy McGrath to start a brand new team and on a factory Honda at that. Supercross.com was announced as a title sponsor (after San Manuel Casino dropped out) but shortly after the 2012 season, they bailed as title and the team was forced to the sidelines for a few races although Short himself was healed up from an injury and ready to go. Of course there was the storybook Seattle SX win in a van and then Chaparral stepped up in what looked like a good deal for everyone. But we know now that it was just a temporary stopgap deal to get the team through some tough times. It wasn’t enough to carry on."
It just isn't anyone's business, at least not the dirty details.
They closed, they're done, Shorty wil come out fine and do what he feels he has to do, if anything.
It is the parties involved that created the problem, so it is only logical for consumers/fans to want to know who screwed one of the sports most likeable guys.
The ONLY way you could get away with this logic imo is if Short WAS MADE AWARE of such a possibility! and it doesn't sound like he was!
You cannot fault us fans and consumers for wanting facts, especially with the information that is already in the public domain.
AND if the problem has nothing to do with Brooks/MC or Chaparral, as someone mentioned previously, there should have been a press release to inform the public.
The hush, hush and sweep it under the rug is NOT AN OPTION! I don't care if you call it "business" or not. It's not right and shouldn't be ignored!
And does anyone find it ODD that Chaparral now has a weekly ad spot in the Speed program yet dropped their team? Maybe they figured it would be a lot cheaper to just advertise during the SX races, even on the MMI commercial and their "Team" .... This happens year in and year out, yet were not supposed to know or talk about it? Typical Moto industry stuff......
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