2013 KTM 250 SX

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11/25/2012 8:41am
MXBOY2661 wrote:
Mine is the same color as the factorys i believe the color is called p e l 109
Where did you get it cuz I'll order it tomorrow along with the other neon color that I'm looking at. Thanks :-)
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11/25/2012 9:05am Edited Date/Time 11/25/2012 9:06am
As much as I was ranking on the 13 300 XC I rode on Friday the one thing I did like about it was the action of the suspension. It was way plusher & much more supple & downright forgiving in the choppy braking bumps coming into a turn. The kind of chop that you just can't accelerate over. While it bottomed hard on any jump I screwed up on the action was better than my stuff. I almost feel if I had my stuff valved like the XCs stuff & just added a little bottoming resistance & then sprung it like my stuff that it would work really really well. I just weigh to much for the stock XCs stuff with the 5.4 shock spring & the .46 fork springs. I have .50 fork springs & 5.8 shock spring & I took 50 cc of oil out of the forks & they do work pretty good. The shock has it's own issues first being that is has way to much low speed compression & the high speed adjuster just doesn't work at all. I raced it the last 4 wks of our season & loved it but I know the suspension can be worlds better can I'll be addressing that while my bike is apart.
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11/25/2012 11:20am Edited Date/Time 11/25/2012 11:21am
heres the word on the 300xc and why you didnt like it. it uses:

xc cdi (tamer than the sx cdi)
xc low compression head
heavier flywheel
heavier crankshaft

this results in a very dull bike for MX. its purpose build with some heavier parts to slow down the engine so it hooks up rather than explode like the SX does, works good for the trails but as you experienced it doesnt hit like you like it to. also the SX jetting does not work in the XC bikes. most people lean the pilot out further, some like a different needle than the NEC/NED and the main will be different as well.

believe it or not, the porting between the SX and the XC cylinders is EXACTLY the same, the difference between the 2 bikes comes down to what i posted above. if you want to purchase the 300 kit, you MUST specify you want either the XC or the SX kit. one comes with the XC head and the other with the SX head, thats the ONLY difference in the kits. the nice part about starting with a SX is that you get all the SX motor goods like the lightened parts but you still get the 300 power in a snappy package, then you can use the spare XC cdi and your SX cdi to customize and then even more so with the PV springs. blah blah blah, long post.
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11/25/2012 11:43am
Thanks for that info. I knew that the thing was very sluggish off the bottom where mine just snaps to attention & rips off of the bottom. So what are your thoughts about me sending out my messed up cylinder out with the new vertex KTM 300 piston & making it a 300? Wouldn't be exactly like doing the SXS kit? I wouldn't be using the XCs cdi anyway so thats a wasted in that kit if I did buy it & I already have a SX cyinder & head to use for the 300 project.

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11/25/2012 12:46pm
Digger29 wrote:
Thanks for that info. I knew that the thing was very sluggish off the bottom where mine just snaps to attention & rips off of the...
Thanks for that info. I knew that the thing was very sluggish off the bottom where mine just snaps to attention & rips off of the bottom. So what are your thoughts about me sending out my messed up cylinder out with the new vertex KTM 300 piston & making it a 300? Wouldn't be exactly like doing the SXS kit? I wouldn't be using the XCs cdi anyway so thats a wasted in that kit if I did buy it & I already have a SX cyinder & head to use for the 300 project.
As long as you have "JohnDowd's Mechanic Racing" recut the 250 head and reset all the port heights and widths on the bored out cylinder, it will be just fine. I've always been a fan of build it yourself big bores because the aftermarket plating is stronger than OEM and "bolt on" kits. They must always be ported by an expert though, or the performance will be sub-par.
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11/25/2012 2:30pm
I'm never bringing Ron's name up again cuz you guys are killing me here :-) Any recommendations on where to send the cylinder? The guy who won't named says to send it Millennium cuz he's sent a bunch of cylinders to them & he's been very happy with their work BUT he is also not onboard with this project of mine. He wants me to get it replated & leave it stock & just keep it as a spare. I'm doing it anyway & he'll take care of the cylinder & head work just like he did on this one & when I ride it & don't like it I'll be taking it off & selling it.
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11/25/2012 2:54pm Edited Date/Time 11/25/2012 3:01pm
Digger29 wrote:
Thanks for that info. I knew that the thing was very sluggish off the bottom where mine just snaps to attention & rips off of the...
Thanks for that info. I knew that the thing was very sluggish off the bottom where mine just snaps to attention & rips off of the bottom. So what are your thoughts about me sending out my messed up cylinder out with the new vertex KTM 300 piston & making it a 300? Wouldn't be exactly like doing the SXS kit? I wouldn't be using the XCs cdi anyway so thats a wasted in that kit if I did buy it & I already have a SX cyinder & head to use for the 300 project.
its up to you how you want to handle it. doing it with the complete kit gives you an xc cdi that you can try and then sell off if you dont like it or just sell it unused. you can also get rid of your current cylinder/head/pv components and get some money back there too. also, buying the kit you get PV components that are already made to work with the larger bore. depending on what your mechanic did, who knows if it would still be usable with the larger cylinder as he may have matched it up somehow to that particular cylinder and removed material that cant be put back unless you buy new components. im just guessing, i dont know what he actually did.

you can definitely get yours worked out, but me, i like a complete factory kit, i will always go with a factory kit vs having to send my stuff out to get it done. no PV mods needed, no machining the head, boring out the cylinder then sending it off to millennium. just more downtime IMO.

lots of people claim the aftermarket plating is stronger or last longer but ive never seen any proof of this, just unsubstantiated claims.

im not trying to encourage/discourage or influence your opinion, just putting my own thoughts out there.

edit: when i say i always prefer factory/oem this is in reference to engine components. i use a lot of aftermarket elsewhere.
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11/25/2012 2:59pm
Just kidding with the jab about Ron... Tongue

I use Millennium for all my cylinders now, but have had good luck with U.S. Chrome in the past also. They both do excellent work. If Ron sets the port timing on the 300 cylinder the same as the 250, you will like it even better than the 250. Bigger bores tend to loose a little ability to rev out, but the extra 45cc's across the whole powerband will more than make up for a loss of a few hundred rpm's up top.
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@mynewcr250,

I'm not sure if you are a professional mechanic or just a very knowledgeable hobbiest, but in my opinion, it is not unsubstantiated. I have been building motors for the last ten years and have experienced issues with many OEM cylinders. Most notably Kawasaki's plating that almost peels off with your fingers. I seen multiple stock CR cylinders peel up at the exhaust bridge, all remedied by better aftermarket replating.

While KTM's tent to have very good stock plating, my experience with the 65 cylinders have shown that Millennium's plating holds up over a longer period of time with multiple rebuilds and honing. Most of the time after eating a lot of dirt from lack of proper filter maintenance.

Take it for what it's worth, but this is my opinion.
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11/25/2012 5:32pm Edited Date/Time 11/25/2012 5:38pm
slipdog wrote:
@mynewcr250, I'm not sure if you are a professional mechanic or just a very knowledgeable hobbiest, but in my opinion, it is not unsubstantiated. I have...
@mynewcr250,

I'm not sure if you are a professional mechanic or just a very knowledgeable hobbiest, but in my opinion, it is not unsubstantiated. I have been building motors for the last ten years and have experienced issues with many OEM cylinders. Most notably Kawasaki's plating that almost peels off with your fingers. I seen multiple stock CR cylinders peel up at the exhaust bridge, all remedied by better aftermarket replating.

While KTM's tent to have very good stock plating, my experience with the 65 cylinders have shown that Millennium's plating holds up over a longer period of time with multiple rebuilds and honing. Most of the time after eating a lot of dirt from lack of proper filter maintenance.

Take it for what it's worth, but this is my opinion.
i did not mean to make it sound like a jab at you. i am a professional mechanic yes, but not in the moto industry, i cannot claim to be the top dog here.

I do like to see proof though. ive read many people online make the claim of the aftermarket plating companies doing a better job than the factory, i think even millennium's website claims or at least used to claim right on the website that their plating is thicker or harder than the factory stuff.

i also remember reading about kawi's "electrofusion" plating or whatever it was, and there is a reason i have never considered owning an old 2 stroke kawi. i also have seen some cr jugs wear out at the exhaust bridge, now whether that is from inferior plating or just someone that decided to run an aftermarket forged piston with no oil holes drilled in and just overheated/damaged it, i cannot say. luckily for me, i run the old hpp motor so i do not have to deal with an exhaust bridge. our group runs 4 cr250's (my 00, and 3 01's) and neither has suffered any type of plating failure, then again neither has had to ingest any measurable amount of dirt and its possible that the aftermarket plating IS tougher especially when exposed to less than ideal filter maintenance.

not here to call anyone a liar, i respect any professional opinion, was just saying that i like to see proof to back it up as well.
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mynewcr250 wrote:
i did not mean to make it sound like a jab at you. i am a professional mechanic yes, but not in the moto industry, i...
i did not mean to make it sound like a jab at you. i am a professional mechanic yes, but not in the moto industry, i cannot claim to be the top dog here.

I do like to see proof though. ive read many people online make the claim of the aftermarket plating companies doing a better job than the factory, i think even millennium's website claims or at least used to claim right on the website that their plating is thicker or harder than the factory stuff.

i also remember reading about kawi's "electrofusion" plating or whatever it was, and there is a reason i have never considered owning an old 2 stroke kawi. i also have seen some cr jugs wear out at the exhaust bridge, now whether that is from inferior plating or just someone that decided to run an aftermarket forged piston with no oil holes drilled in and just overheated/damaged it, i cannot say. luckily for me, i run the old hpp motor so i do not have to deal with an exhaust bridge. our group runs 4 cr250's (my 00, and 3 01's) and neither has suffered any type of plating failure, then again neither has had to ingest any measurable amount of dirt and its possible that the aftermarket plating IS tougher especially when exposed to less than ideal filter maintenance.

not here to call anyone a liar, i respect any professional opinion, was just saying that i like to see proof to back it up as well.
No offence taken on my end. I just wanted to note my opinion was based on many years working in this industry and I was not just repeating information I overheard, or read on a website, with no practical experience.
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1/8/2013 7:23am Edited Date/Time 1/8/2013 7:25am
MXBOY2661 wrote:
U guys that wanna solve ur filter problems, very easy fix, get the loudmouth, best money youll spend. N will never have dirt n the air...
U guys that wanna solve ur filter problems, very easy fix, get the loudmouth, best money youll spend. N will never have dirt n the air box again.
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I just checked out the Loudmouth Intake System & it looks really good & very well made & I wish I saw this before I spent...
I just checked out the Loudmouth Intake System & it looks really good & very well made & I wish I saw this before I spent the money on the Moose set up with 6 brand new filters... :-(
This definitly seems well built, but it looks really restrictive in terms of inlet size compared to what factory is. I can't imagine this wouldn't require significant jetting changes. Does anyone actually have this set-up and if so what are your results and opinions?
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I ran a Loud Mouth on a '09 kx250f and '09 yz250. I never noticed a decrease in power and didn't mess with the jetting after it was installed. In all honesty I wouldn't have cared if it lost a little. It made cleaning the airbox and swaping filters so much easier.
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First post here. Just picked up my 2013 250SX over the weekend. It's got the 300 kit installed.

How is KTM's overall bike prep especially the linkage suspension? Anything else need attention before the first ride?

I've been on Hondas for the last 15 years and learned to always tear the suspension down when new to add more good grease and otherwise make sure it was good to go.

Anybody else add the PC link as recommended by MXA?

Strictly moto for me and I've been at this for a long time, but this is my first KTM so want to make sure it's set up properly. I've read the jetting threads, so have that on my to-do list.

Thanks!
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What size spoke torque wrench head do I need to tighten the spokes. I've been doing it with out for years(after every ride) and had a front wheel blow apart on my last year and figure it might be a good investment. I think I was over tightening.
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Hey Digger29, I was wondering if you could give me some advice with my 2012 KTM 250sx. Sounds like you have done quite a bit of testing with yours and have it dialed in, so who better to ask right? It seems that the 2012 and 2013 are almost identical in the motor department. So do you think the jetting changes you did will work in my bike? Did you make those changes to the jetting before you did the motor work? I have the Factory FMF pipe and silencer on mine but none of the other motor work you had done. I also don't run race fuel. I started with the stock jetting but quickly switched to MXA settings which made a small difference but would like to get it to run even better if I could. I am thinking about getting the 300 kit but after reading about how well you got yours running I am leaning towards leaving it stock. Any advice would be great. Thanks.
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1/15/2013 8:51am Edited Date/Time 1/19/2013 6:40am
Unfortunately the MXA settings will not work at for you. I tried them & they were horrible. Stick with the stock pilot, order the 08 Suzuki RM250 NECJ needle & put it on the 3rd setting & go with a 175 main. That's what I'm running in my bike & it just Fn rips from an idle. The motor mods that I have done are all very easy & I highly recommend them. We can hook up in the spring at MX101 or MX207 & I'll let you ride it. I let a guy who races a 12 250SX ride mine at Central Village in December & he was just blown away at how much better my bike was than his. I can help you with your suspension also cuz it needs help :-)
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Hey Digger29, I was wondering if you could give me some advice with my 2012 KTM 250sx. Sounds like you have done quite a bit of...
Hey Digger29, I was wondering if you could give me some advice with my 2012 KTM 250sx. Sounds like you have done quite a bit of testing with yours and have it dialed in, so who better to ask right? It seems that the 2012 and 2013 are almost identical in the motor department. So do you think the jetting changes you did will work in my bike? Did you make those changes to the jetting before you did the motor work? I have the Factory FMF pipe and silencer on mine but none of the other motor work you had done. I also don't run race fuel. I started with the stock jetting but quickly switched to MXA settings which made a small difference but would like to get it to run even better if I could. I am thinking about getting the 300 kit but after reading about how well you got yours running I am leaning towards leaving it stock. Any advice would be great. Thanks.
Feel free to call me & I'll try to any questions that you may have. 508 243 1232 Mike
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1/15/2013 10:09am Edited Date/Time 1/15/2013 10:13am
Thanks Mike. I just ordered the 175 main and the NECJ needle. Can't wait to try it out. Now if spring will hurry up and get here. The suspension I will be sending out to Factory Connection next month. I know I need some heavier springs, front and rear. I was bottoming the hell out of the thing, the short time I rode it before putting it away. Can't wait to get it properly set up for me and ride it again this year. Also thinking about adding a Loud Mouth. Thanks again for the tips.
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Thanks Mike. I just ordered the 175 main and the NECJ needle. Can't wait to try it out. Now if spring will hurry up and get...
Thanks Mike. I just ordered the 175 main and the NECJ needle. Can't wait to try it out. Now if spring will hurry up and get here. The suspension I will be sending out to Factory Connection next month. I know I need some heavier springs, front and rear. I was bottoming the hell out of the thing, the short time I rode it before putting it away. Can't wait to get it properly set up for me and ride it again this year. Also thinking about adding a Loud Mouth. Thanks again for the tips.
Call me, I want to run something by you. Mike
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lol, i like how guys buy 1 jet at a time.
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Already have a few others. Just not a 175.
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im just giving you a hard time Wink
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4/12/2013 7:33am Edited Date/Time 4/12/2013 7:33am
How long are you guys running the stock piston? I am at a little under 25 hours right now, which is right when I did the first one on my 150s and they always came out perfect. I run 1:32 high quality Agip oil if that matters.

Also, Digger if you read this, please check your PM's.
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I just did mine. Got it about August/September. I don't run an hour meter, just kinda know from having 2 strokes. I put in the OEM higher compression piston as well.
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Ha, I got mine in august as well. Do you have a part number on the high compression piston? I didn't realize there were different types.

Anyone else that has any idea when to change the piston?
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4/12/2013 9:05am Edited Date/Time 4/12/2013 9:05am
Depends on where you go to get it. There is Piston I and Piston II. Piston I is stock and Piston II is 1mm larger for higher compression.
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4/16/2013 7:06am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2013 7:06am
Thanks, I didn't know.

Anyway I tried contacting Digger but he isn't answering, so maybe someone else can help me with this: I would really like to try the NECJ needle, but this is strictly a US part number and it is nowhere to be found in Europe. I can't exactly buy it online because most shops either will not ship something so small, or ask $50 to ship a $10 needle...

Would anyone be kind enough to buy the needle for me and ship it to Belgium? I can do Paypal or any other form of online payment. Thanks.
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I'd would do that for you. To be honest I would be fine with just buying the needle for you and you setting up shipping and emailing me a shipping label. It would be more of a pain in the butt for you to get me the chump change the needle costs than its worth to me. let me know.

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