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it is one more step toward a police state isn't it? which is the ultimate loss of freedom
I like the idea of putting a gun in every school at a secure unknown location and only giving certain trained administrators access.
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Second of all RSO does more good for the school then it does harm.
I've already stated the reasons why in this thread.
They're not just armed guards like people think...
I just wish more people would do it.
A buddy of mine-CCW holder-carried to his daughters parent/teacher conference...the ignorant principal of the school called the police and said there was a man with a gun in the school. Police arrived in force (and rightly so), came at him with guns drawn (scaring his daughter), he puts his hands up and calmly explains he has a permit for the gun and he shows his permit...the first cop was also ignorant and tried to arrest him...he asked to speak with his superior. His superior looks at the permit, ran his drivers license (no warrants), apologized for he inconvenience, and sent him on his way.
He brought up how there are armed officers in malls, yet we still have shootings in the malls.
Where is this officer to be stationed at the school? What if the "bad guy with a gun" shoots his way in through the back or mows kids down on the playground?
The whole NRA speech was a execution in "pass the buck," blaming everyone and everything other than weapons owners and manufacturers for the proper safety and security as it pertains to weapons ownership and sales. I mean for God sakes, the "gun show loophole" is a screen door on a submarine...ANYONE can buy a weapon at a gun show with no checks at all..including psychos.
The guard wouldn’t stand a chance because 99.999% of the time would be uneventful and he would have his guard down. "
The RSO at my nephews school.
He wears a bp vest and has far better training then most police officers do and is trained for this sort of thing.
They have to be qualified.So pulling comments out of your ass " 99.999% " of the time his guard would be down is pretty silly so say the least.Those guys are always on alert - that is their job.
Obviously security doesn't make make everyone bullet proof and mistakes can be made. But in a CQB-Firefight my money is always on the guy with the most training.Training = reacting with speed & efficiency.
You could say why does the President have personal guards when people would kill the guards first?
Think about it,all you can do is try to prevent. However,every security situation has it's flaws.
The only "armed" officers I see in malls, are the ones armed with a tazer and mace (the essence of bringing a knife to a gun fight). I don't ever see armed guards, with guns, at shopping malls. I know at the Trolley Square mall shooting here in SLC back in 2007, there was NO armed guard in the mall (an off duty police officer saved a TON of lives by engaging the shooter with his own gun, and cornering him until a police unit arrived and killed him). Can you name one instance of a mall shooting with an Armed guard in which the armed guard didn't make a difference?
Now. We all know that private security firms have direct ties to NRA. That would be another 6,25 billion if they put guards in every school. If they pull it off they will double their money via donations.
I would say more then "slightly",Victor.
And no - But they also do more then provide security. Since they started doing this,things have got better at my nephews school. They have training drills for this type of stuff also.Him also having a radio puts him in direct communication rather then a relay com with 911 also. They keep up with their training....
"Criminals can and will have vests too. They will be armed better too. Pistol vs assault riffle."
Sure Victor, criminals can wear what ever they want.
As for a pistol vs a civilian carbine (16inch + barrel) in CQB...
My money is on the guy that is better trained for the situation who can assess a threat & neutralize it swiftly.
And sure the element of surprise is always there when you are talking security issues and works in favor at times of the assaulter. However,a properly trained officer who keeps up on his training can/would be effective against someone in most cases - not all.But not having anyone there is not going to help at all.It can also work as a deterrent having an armed officer there.
Like I said before - my nephews school has been doing this for a while and it is working out for the better.
The officer plays a larger role - more then just an armed guard.
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You keep grinding this ax in some weird and weak attempt to point out your perceived flaws in America. Its like you have an uncontrollable impulse to make America look bad or something (as do a rather large percentage Europeans...it's a result of an inferiority complex)-and yes, I have no doubt you'll deny that emphatically with your: "I love America...I only want what is best for my American friends...I think America is awesome!" Bull Shit (but I don't buy it)-It's time to let it go.
If you don't like America...don't come here. Don't let your friends and family come here...you just stay in Latvia, figuratively cowering in fear of the guns in America because you somehow believe that Americans are living in Anarchy or some nonsensical pile of cow shit...good grief man...you're pathetic.
I’m pro-gun I just don’t like the idea of putting an officer at every school. It’s just not cost effective whether it comes from state or federal tax dollars, it’s still coming out of our pockets. I say put a gun in a secure location and only give certain cleared teachers and administrators access.
BTW- how do you know my name, Eddy?
In your heart of hearts, you want America to fail...and that is why you keep going on and on and on about what you perceive to be a flaw in America...and constantly comparing it to countries that you don't want to fail or think are "better" than America. For some weird reason, I think you smirk-if not outright chuckle-every time America stumbles...get a life. (Again, I fully expect you to deny that-emphatically even-as admitting it would blow holes clean through your creditability.)
They seem to be getting their moneys worth down here,things have gotten better at the high schools since they started doing it.
The program is nothing brand new & it has been going on for a while now.
If it wasn't effective and did more harm then good,I would assume they would have canned it by now.
Lots of grumpy tax payers in these parts.
As for putting a firearm in a secure location.
That is a measure they could take also....that is better then nothing.
However,having a weapon out of arms reach doesn't do you much good at times though.
But you never know.
If they gave one to every teacher or just several, that would/could be effective(with proper security training from professional consultants & schooling). If they did some leg work they could probably find some consultants/instructors/contractors willing to volunteer their time to help.I have seen a lot of security specialists on SOF Rep volunteering to help as of lately also.The school employees could put together their own small response teams.Having 1 trained in tactical handgun combat & another in tactical shotgun deployment,threat assessment and area scanning ,drugged assailant and body armor defeating drills ect...
Having a positive role-model connected to the police department is worth an awful lot of money as far as I'm concerned.
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C'mon, Mormon. Show some empathy. You'd be pissed too.
Hey man, fat chicks could be high maintenance also. They might drink all your beer & eat all your food.
That stuffs not cheap these days.
Glad it is working out for you guys.
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