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Edited Date/Time 10/6/2012 7:32pm
are having the time of their lives. Well good for them I say. But the fact remains....other than dungey it really was a 2nd rate team. Injuries are part of motocross but still... RV and james would have been there with dungey imho..

So keep it up and enjoy it while you can.
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kongols 10/1/2012 6:45am
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FU , Robert! Laughing Laughing Wink
Motocross83 10/1/2012 6:49am
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RV and James would've done no better, in fact Dungey seemed to struggle the worst. You have to see Lommel to believe it.
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Derpin' DJ 10/1/2012 6:50am
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B team. Classic. Good one.

The only B person of the team is the one who got your team on the podium.

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graeme 10/1/2012 6:54am
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
B team. Classic. Good one.

The only B person of the team is the one who got your team on the podium.
Hahahaha No further questions your honour
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kev472 10/1/2012 6:59am
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Pathetic calling your national champs a b-team

You don't even respect your own team

Decoster, Payton and company were really proud ,why can't you be

I say respect to Barcia, Baggett and Dungey, they gave it their all
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That can be a problem when you have such a shallow talent base, maybe next year
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Motocross83 10/1/2012 7:09am
10/1/2012 7:09am Edited Date/Time 10/1/2012 7:11am
It requires a very special technique. I don't care who the rider is, if he hasn't experienced it then he's destined to struggle and more than likely hit the deck. The whole of team America has learnt a valuable lesson (their words) this weekend and will know what to expect next time they ride deep sand.
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BobTheBuilder 10/1/2012 7:14am
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Motocross83 wrote:
It requires a very special technique. I don't care who the rider is, if he hasn't experienced it then he's destined to struggle and more than...
It requires a very special technique. I don't care who the rider is, if he hasn't experienced it then he's destined to struggle and more than likely hit the deck. The whole of team America has learnt a valuable lesson (their words) this weekend and will know what to expect next time they ride deep sand.
What lesson is that? Don't let Roger pick the team?
Motocross83 10/1/2012 7:17am
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Motocross83 wrote:
It requires a very special technique. I don't care who the rider is, if he hasn't experienced it then he's destined to struggle and more than...
It requires a very special technique. I don't care who the rider is, if he hasn't experienced it then he's destined to struggle and more than likely hit the deck. The whole of team America has learnt a valuable lesson (their words) this weekend and will know what to expect next time they ride deep sand.
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What lesson is that? Don't let Roger pick the team?
The same lesson that Ken Roczen learnt racing the Nationals this year, that is... racing in a totally new environment is hard.
Sheriff245 10/1/2012 7:18am
10/1/2012 7:18am
450 champ
250 champ
250 runner-up

That's what you call a B team?
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jeffro503 10/1/2012 7:22am
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Where the hell is this coming from?

1st.....Barcia on a 450 is no "B" team rider. He'll be right on par with RD , RV , Canard , ect this season.......and btw....he just finished higher then both our champs. So what was the point of calling him the " B " rider?

2nd......RV said himself.....the reason he didn't do any of the nationals was that he missed to many....and coming in late against a full prepared RD.......he would of probably gotten his ass handed to him. AND......since he missed the entire season.......WHY would Roger pick him?

3rd.......Stewart.......on that track? I'm not going to say anything here......but lets just say I'm glad he did not go.

4th and final point........Roger picked the best "Available team". For reasons stated above........at the time , we picked the best guys we could..

As an American MX'er......you're friggin' embarassing a lot of us. Our team did great....and got us up on the box. There is no IF's AND's or BUT's....in this sport. Play the cards you have the best you can.....and then let them fall where they may.

Quit making shitty excuses.
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Motocross83 wrote:
RV and James would've done no better, in fact Dungey seemed to struggle the worst. You have to see Lommel to believe it.
I'm not so sure about that. RC and James have/had something in them that allows them to push to whatever the pace is. They would have been up front no matter what. That's just MHO.

Also, the team that we sent had enough talent to win it, I'm just not sure that they had the nerve/nuts to do whatever it took to win. If they felt that they did their best that is all that we can ask though. Big up's to them for even going.


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jeffro503 10/1/2012 7:24am
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Motocross83 wrote:
It requires a very special technique. I don't care who the rider is, if he hasn't experienced it then he's destined to struggle and more than...
It requires a very special technique. I don't care who the rider is, if he hasn't experienced it then he's destined to struggle and more than likely hit the deck. The whole of team America has learnt a valuable lesson (their words) this weekend and will know what to expect next time they ride deep sand.
BobTheBuilder wrote:
What lesson is that? Don't let Roger pick the team?
Dude seriously.....you should log the fuck off before you say anything else. That has to be one of the most retarded statements I've read in the past 3 days.
Halfast816 10/1/2012 7:25am
10/1/2012 7:25am
It is the fault of the bikes, those damn four strokes penalize the go for broke American way of life and reward the laid back lazy European style. Just another reason to hate thumpers, they allow mediocrity to triumph.
shiftmx_22 10/1/2012 7:26am
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are having the time of their lives. Well good for them I say. But the fact remains....other than dungey it really was a 2nd rate team...
are having the time of their lives. Well good for them I say. But the fact remains....other than dungey it really was a 2nd rate team. Injuries are part of motocross but still... RV and james would have been there with dungey imho..

So keep it up and enjoy it while you can.
With all due respect Sir... Are you implying Dungey, RV and Stewart (with Stewart on a Pro Circuit KX 125?)?
TripleFive 10/1/2012 7:27am
10/1/2012 7:27am
Coulda Woulda Shoulda statements make me tired but I will say this:

An Alessi (MX1) Tomac (MX2) Barcia (MX3) team would have won.

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FastEddy 10/1/2012 7:31am
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Motocross83 wrote:
It requires a very special technique. I don't care who the rider is, if he hasn't experienced it then he's destined to struggle and more than...
It requires a very special technique. I don't care who the rider is, if he hasn't experienced it then he's destined to struggle and more than likely hit the deck. The whole of team America has learnt a valuable lesson (their words) this weekend and will know what to expect next time they ride deep sand.
I think Decoster said it best yesterday after the race.
About how it would sorta be like Herlings or AC showing up at A1.
Their just not used to riding that stuff and even AC & Zach said that track is hard to master and takes a long time to learn.
Chizz said it was the hardest track he had ever ridden - harder then Gopher Dunes.
Some of those guys live close to there & train there very often like AC.
To master that technique & track ,I assume it would take JS7,RC,RV or any of the greats some time to master it up to the standard of what Herlings & AC rode at.
All in all - I think them earning a 3rd was still good.
Some things didn't go their way - but that's just racing.
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BobTheBuilder 10/1/2012 7:33am
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First option should have Stewart, a proven sand rider and MXDN veteran who won 450 races this year. Second option should have been Alessi. Despite his good result in the last moto Barica proved to me that he does not belong on a MXDN team ever again..............running it in on a guy and tearing up his spokes, riding over his head and crashing, passing and sketching out in front of Dunge..........he's not a team player.

Decoster had no intention of selecting anyone other than Barcia.
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GuyB 10/1/2012 7:35am
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BobbyM wrote:
are having the time of their lives. Well good for them I say. But the fact remains....other than dungey it really was a 2nd rate team...
are having the time of their lives. Well good for them I say. But the fact remains....other than dungey it really was a 2nd rate team. Injuries are part of motocross but still... RV and james would have been there with dungey imho..

So keep it up and enjoy it while you can.
There's an A+ room for talk of a B team.
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dcg141 10/1/2012 7:37am
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If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we would all have a Merry Christmas. We got beat..fair and square. Man up and deal with it.
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jeffro503 10/1/2012 7:37am
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Motocross83 wrote:
It requires a very special technique. I don't care who the rider is, if he hasn't experienced it then he's destined to struggle and more than...
It requires a very special technique. I don't care who the rider is, if he hasn't experienced it then he's destined to struggle and more than likely hit the deck. The whole of team America has learnt a valuable lesson (their words) this weekend and will know what to expect next time they ride deep sand.
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I think Decoster said it best yesterday after the race. About how it would sorta be like Herlings or AC showing up at A1. Their just...
I think Decoster said it best yesterday after the race.
About how it would sorta be like Herlings or AC showing up at A1.
Their just not used to riding that stuff and even AC & Zach said that track is hard to master and takes a long time to learn.
Chizz said it was the hardest track he had ever ridden - harder then Gopher Dunes.
Some of those guys live close to there & train there very often like AC.
To master that technique & track ,I assume it would take JS7,RC,RV or any of the greats some time to master it up to the standard of what Herlings & AC rode at.
All in all - I think them earning a 3rd was still good.
Some things didn't go their way - but that's just racing.
Perfectly said Eddy.

The " we should of sent so-n-so ".......is a dumb argument. The team we had , had enough talent to go for a win on any other track on this planet. We simply just got " Out rode" in that stuff. A healthy RV or Stewart might of done a little better.....OR they could have done worse.

Neither one of them are in near as good of race shape to even think about racing the GP guys on a track like that. I honestly don't think the outcome would of been much different.

Holy crap there is some embarrassing excuses being thrown around this morning.
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JLong 10/1/2012 7:39am
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BobTheBuilder wrote:
First option should have Stewart, a proven sand rider and MXDN veteran who won 450 races this year. Second option should have been Alessi. Despite his...
First option should have Stewart, a proven sand rider and MXDN veteran who won 450 races this year. Second option should have been Alessi. Despite his good result in the last moto Barica proved to me that he does not belong on a MXDN team ever again..............running it in on a guy and tearing up his spokes, riding over his head and crashing, passing and sketching out in front of Dunge..........he's not a team player.

Decoster had no intention of selecting anyone other than Barcia.
Can you help me out with the last time said "proven sand rider" has even ridden in it? Please don't refer to his tracks in Fl.
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watson 10/1/2012 7:42am
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B team my ass. The Euros are just better sand riders, that's all there is to it.
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jeffro503 10/1/2012 7:42am
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A Gift from France,Netherlands, and Italy would be a better choice of words, 7th would of been a respectable earned finish .
Dude.....we had way more than our fair share of problems to. Every team had their issues......don't be talking hypotheticals.
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FastEddy 10/1/2012 7:48am
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BobTheBuilder wrote:
First option should have Stewart, a proven sand rider and MXDN veteran who won 450 races this year. Second option should have been Alessi. Despite his...
First option should have Stewart, a proven sand rider and MXDN veteran who won 450 races this year. Second option should have been Alessi. Despite his good result in the last moto Barica proved to me that he does not belong on a MXDN team ever again..............running it in on a guy and tearing up his spokes, riding over his head and crashing, passing and sketching out in front of Dunge..........he's not a team player.

Decoster had no intention of selecting anyone other than Barcia.
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Can you help me out with the last time said "proven sand rider" has even ridden in it? Please don't refer to his tracks in Fl.
I think he is insinuating Barcia was picked in "the mans" mind for Team USA far before even Baggett (which I believe is true).
Before James got hurt ,I'm pretty certain the Team was going to be JS7 MX1 - JB MX2 & Dungey MX-3.
I believe he felt those were our three best options of sand riders - I think DC even hinted to it a time or two.
Then James got hurt - so I do not believe Decoster even spoke to him about the team (I don't think they like each other anyway).
He bumped Dungey up to MX1 then BB MX2 then JB to MX3.
Motocross83 10/1/2012 7:48am
10/1/2012 7:48am Edited Date/Time 10/1/2012 8:24am
Motocross83 wrote:
It requires a very special technique. I don't care who the rider is, if he hasn't experienced it then he's destined to struggle and more than...
It requires a very special technique. I don't care who the rider is, if he hasn't experienced it then he's destined to struggle and more than likely hit the deck. The whole of team America has learnt a valuable lesson (their words) this weekend and will know what to expect next time they ride deep sand.
FastEddy wrote:
I think Decoster said it best yesterday after the race. About how it would sorta be like Herlings or AC showing up at A1. Their just...
I think Decoster said it best yesterday after the race.
About how it would sorta be like Herlings or AC showing up at A1.
Their just not used to riding that stuff and even AC & Zach said that track is hard to master and takes a long time to learn.
Chizz said it was the hardest track he had ever ridden - harder then Gopher Dunes.
Some of those guys live close to there & train there very often like AC.
To master that technique & track ,I assume it would take JS7,RC,RV or any of the greats some time to master it up to the standard of what Herlings & AC rode at.
All in all - I think them earning a 3rd was still good.
Some things didn't go their way - but that's just racing.
I totally agree. The fact that the USA did so well after ONLY something like 3 days of riding is a statement of their ability in itself. Keep in mind that there are riders who move their whole operation to Belgium just for the purpose of getting good at deep sand. If the GP guys turned up to Anaheim 1 they would get murdered, I can't even see most of them being able to qualify.

But for some people to think that somehow putting James on the team would've made a positive difference is wrong imo. To me Justin was the standout rider for America this weekend because he figured it out by the 3rd moto. He let AC and JH do their own thing and instead found a flow that, bar 2 riders, nobody else could match - and as a result he beat everyone else.

But that's how you have to ride it. It's not about grabbing hand fulls and throwing the bike into berms (which is what I'm sure people imagine James doing). Instead you have to find the technique and that takes time.
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BobbyM 10/1/2012 10:36pm
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kev472 wrote:
Pathetic calling your national champs a b-team You don't even respect your own team Decoster, Payton and company were really proud ,why can't you be I...
Pathetic calling your national champs a b-team

You don't even respect your own team

Decoster, Payton and company were really proud ,why can't you be

I say respect to Barcia, Baggett and Dungey, they gave it their all
Decoster and payton were fucking pissed off...Believe it.

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