If there was a FIM World Motocross race held in the US..

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Edited Date/Time 9/19/2012 4:58am
Where would be the best place...
The best weather....
The best track....
The best attendance...
Most riders to sign up and race (US riders)
Because we already know it would never happen in the So Cal area.

Another Carlsbad, How about Lakewood, Budds Creek, Unadilla?

What do you think, or do you even care?
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ATKpilot99 9/18/2012 4:04pm
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I'd say Red Bud since I live closest to that track.Smile Seriously though I think AMA rider sign up would be low no matter where the race is held...top AMA riders anyway for reasons discussed in the past. Not contracted, high risk low reward, etc.
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Katoom72 9/18/2012 4:08pm
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Don't see why AMA riders would race a FIM GP in the US. Risk/reward is not worth it at all.
TripleDigit 9/18/2012 4:11pm
9/18/2012 4:11pm Edited Date/Time 9/18/2012 4:21pm
As far as I'm concerned if it doesn't work at Glen Helen in the heart of the US Moto scene it won't work anywhere

BUT the hang up is getting some top Americans at the starting gate,I've heard every excuse under the sun,some are legit and some are debatable,crack that one and you could probably put it anywhere and it'd work,especially at the places you mention and it'd down a storm

How much would Red Bull pay Roczen and Musquin to ride or even Dungey? Roczen got hurt practicing SX this year,Outdoors is safer on paper afterall...
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Braaap14 9/18/2012 4:11pm
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it doesn't seem logical,

coming from the midwest i want to say Red Bud, We all know why... but I don't see the midwest fans being that pulled to a gp, a Cali race would make more sense imo.


It would be cool... but a pain in the ass for everyone involved

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DownSouth 9/18/2012 4:14pm
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Braaap14 wrote:
it doesn't seem logical, coming from the midwest i want to say Red Bud, We all know why... but I don't see the midwest fans being...
it doesn't seem logical,

coming from the midwest i want to say Red Bud, We all know why... but I don't see the midwest fans being that pulled to a gp, a Cali race would make more sense imo.


It would be cool... but a pain in the ass for everyone involved
Cali had two years with the USGP at Glen Helen and even thought lots of locals seem to say that GH is the greatest track in the world hardly anyone showed up.
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Braaap14 9/18/2012 4:18pm
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that's what I'm getting at. U.S. Fans aren't generally pulled to follow the Gp's, no disrepspect / shit talking about the gp's by any means, just what I see from our fans here.
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MXMattii 9/18/2012 4:19pm
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TripleDigit wrote:
As far as I'm concerned if it doesn't work at Glen Helen in the heart of the US Moto scene it won't work anywhere BUT the...
As far as I'm concerned if it doesn't work at Glen Helen in the heart of the US Moto scene it won't work anywhere

BUT the hang up is getting some top Americans at the starting gate,I've heard every excuse under the sun,some are legit and some are debatable,crack that one and you could probably put it anywhere and it'd work,especially at the places you mention and it'd down a storm

How much would Red Bull pay Roczen and Musquin to ride or even Dungey? Roczen got hurt practicing SX this year,Outdoors is safer on paper afterall...
They went to a place where there is enough pro motocross. I didn't got... Why no MXGP at a place where there isn't a AMA National and then you sign a buddy deal with two/three American names so those people can see those names in real life in there neighborhood. Also the promotion in the US was very poor! YS fucked the USGP promotion up.
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Sunhouse 9/18/2012 4:20pm
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more spectators show up for Loretta Lynn´s and amateur events in Tulsa.....
We just have to accept there are certain things we will never understand.
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VOODOO27 9/18/2012 4:26pm
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TripleDigit wrote:
As far as I'm concerned if it doesn't work at Glen Helen in the heart of the US Moto scene it won't work anywhere BUT the...
As far as I'm concerned if it doesn't work at Glen Helen in the heart of the US Moto scene it won't work anywhere

BUT the hang up is getting some top Americans at the starting gate,I've heard every excuse under the sun,some are legit and some are debatable,crack that one and you could probably put it anywhere and it'd work,especially at the places you mention and it'd down a storm

How much would Red Bull pay Roczen and Musquin to ride or even Dungey? Roczen got hurt practicing SX this year,Outdoors is safer on paper afterall...
One of the problems with Glen Helen is the fact it's in Southern California, which is a completely different 'beast' as far as a location goes for getting people out to attend a given event. There's just way too much to do in SoCal. They can't even fill up a pro NFL stadium, and keep a team there.. too many options for entertainment... plus half of them would show up half way through the event any way Smile

Also, the GP didn't work at Glen Helen because they placed it the week after the start of the Nationals, and the Pro AMA guys who were signing up was pretty minimal, which would have helped the draw of American fans to have their favorite racers to cheer. It'd have to be during a better off week during the year, too.

I see a place like Red Budd being a little more successful, because there's not as many options for entertainment, but then again, we're talking about us Americans, aren't we?
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Derpin' DJ 9/18/2012 4:30pm
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Didn't Lake Elsinore have a pretty shitty turnout? Maybe California isn't the best option

East coast would be cheaper to get to from Europe anyway. Although, they have to go to South America afterwards, so it probably doesn't really matter.
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VOODOO27 9/18/2012 4:34pm
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Sunhouse wrote:
more spectators show up for Loretta Lynn´s and amateur events in Tulsa.....
We just have to accept there are certain things we will never understand.
You're making the case for the lack of attendance at Glen Helen. Not enough US racers to have a casual motocross fan have some investment, who would be there to cheer their favs on. Lorretta's is all about families and friends of the racers attending the event, who have a personal investment in being there.
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ML512 9/18/2012 4:40pm
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Living within an hour of glen helen i will say this the promotion for the USGP was definitely terrible basically non existent. The majority of people at the event were the core industry. After the race most of my riding buddies that i asked why they weren't there did even know it was happening. I was talking with Broc Glover and a few other people at the second year of the USGP and he pointed out one thing that would get the teams interested in getting it in the rider's contract... LIVE TV, He mentioned back in the day they all raced it and it was in their contracts cause it was the biggest most well covered race of the year and got them on ABC(?). The big sponsors in the team's aren't going to care if they don't get much coverage from the event (the paying for Live internet broadcast won't work for that event.)
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stillwelding 9/18/2012 6:00pm
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Don't care. Without the U.S. riders being contractually obligated, it would be anti-climactic. It was always exciting having the Americans v.s. the rest of the World, but now days, with so much more on the line for the U.S. based riders, they won't take the risk. I doubt that any U.S. based riders would show up, other than the ones that KTM would force to go.
TripleDigit 9/18/2012 11:18pm
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Ok,so elsewhere then,a track that doesn't have an AMA National at might work better attendance wise but those tracks may differ from year to year so it'd be more of a case of how do you get the US riders there then?

The advertising would blow up with them there,and the word would spread,timing is an issue then,as before but with 2 or 3 weeks between Vegas and Hangtown? The logistics couldn't have been easier for the teams but if SoCial is a no then the end of the season would be better for timing too I suppose,but then there's the MXdN?

Round in circles it is then. I guess Sad
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kongols 9/18/2012 11:23pm
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There is no point for GP`s to have a race in USA.
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American riders and teams don't buying YS bull, that Llongo should have all money for themselves of course. Do you seriusly think American riders are paying to give Llongo a show so he can take all money? Only in Europe my friend. Ex socialist/kommunist countries where sitizens are used to be f....d. Llongo even tried to buy/bribe riders and team temporary to Glen Helens GP. US Mx-scene didn't buy that easy trick. So there is NO place to put a GP ever in the States again. And you can be happy for that probably.
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ocscottie 9/18/2012 11:37pm
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Makes me miss these fully epic USGP's...the glory days of MX.

btw: Watch at 6:08 (in Part 1) see Ronnie feet up power slide that works 500 machinery, pure poetry.

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'85 USGP at Carlsbad (part 2) - More Motocross Videos



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ocscottie 9/18/2012 11:43pm
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One more cuz im bored and about to sign off for the night and veg in front on the TV...or just watch these vids for the umpteenth time!

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bobby397 9/19/2012 2:10am
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I could see budds creek having one, Beasley seems to always had an interest in gp's. I think redbud would be an awesome race with tons of fans lining the fence, plus riders love the track.
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mccread 9/19/2012 2:41am
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Ideally if the US guys raced the series, there could be three/four, one at Glen Helen, one at Red Bud and one at say Highpoint, and maybe Budds Creek

Great tracks, and gives more of the country a chance to see the riders over the course of a month.

Unfortunately I can't see it ever happening though.
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Mr. Info 9/19/2012 4:38am
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Sorry guys the American riders who are not the top guys in class don't want to be beat by the euro's and if they are not getting paid the top guys won't show. But David Bailey said the younger riders don't have the pride of protecting their own back yard and letting the Euro's take the stage. He said money or not they should show the respect of their country and protect our standing as being the best and not being the most spoiled.
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Roscoe33 9/19/2012 4:52am
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hell would have frozen over and US & FIM promoters decided to do something together promote motocross.
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motogrady 9/19/2012 4:54am
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I dunno, from what I understand YS has burned a lot of bridges here.

Farmers have feelings also.Smile

Maybe the Southeast, a place MXSPORTS doesn't go, National's wise, it might work there.
They should be starving for world class moto down there.

Where's the Barber museum?
I hear it's a killer place, AHRMA runs there, the track is flat and grass, no AMA around............
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motogrady 9/19/2012 4:58am
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bobby397 wrote:
I could see budds creek having one, Beasley seems to always had an interest in gp's. I think redbud would be an awesome race with tons...
I could see budds creek having one, Beasley seems to always had an interest in gp's. I think redbud would be an awesome race with tons of fans lining the fence, plus riders love the track.
Beasly's been burned twice with the euros.
The GP he held, maybe 6000 showed.
The MXDN, I heard YS took most all the money,
don't look for it to happen at Budds.

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