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RbR 9/17/2012 8:14pm
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Mr. Leib, in my opinion, you were the cause of the incident @ GH, that subsequently got your team member's jaw broken, and ego broken. I...
Mr. Leib, in my opinion, you were the cause of the incident @ GH, that subsequently got your team member's jaw broken, and ego broken. I suspect that you directed them to get between VF and the starting gate, which is the cause of the fight, where Vince found himself having to defend himself. Each side has "eye-witnesses" but when the dust settles, and the truth comes out, you and your team will come out on the wrong side.
Your son is an excellent rider, and if you would have just allowed them to race, without trying to cause trouble, the race results would have been the same, and Michael would have prevailed, without incident. Your clan, including Mr. Crucean caused the fight, and you, sir are the reason Mr. Crucean has a broken jaw, and a bruised ego!
GuyB wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, this will likely get decided in court, and not in kangaroo court, correct? Smile
MrWrite wrote:
This piqued my interest so I took a quick look-see at the court docket and the complaint. The most interesting part of it? This clown GENE...
This piqued my interest so I took a quick look-see at the court docket and the complaint.

The most interesting part of it?

This clown GENE CRUCEAN is a modern-day Rich Cain! Track-suing SCUM. See for yourself:

GENE CRUCEAN, an individual,

V.

GLEN HELEN RACING, INC., a California Corporation

"Plaintiff is informed and believes, and based thereon alleges, that at all times mentioned herein, Defendant GLEN HELEN RACING, INC. (hereinafter "GLEN HELEN") is a California Corporation located in and operating in San Bernardino, California and is thus subject to the jurisdiction of this Court."

"GLEN HELEN did not follow its own procedures, policies, and/or rules"

CAUSES OF ACTION
NEGLIGENCE

"As a direct and proximate result of Defendants' aforementioned negligent conduct,
Plaintiff suffered and will continue to suffer, damages in an amount to be proven and determined
at the time of trial."

When we have nowhere left to ride, when all the tracks are sued in oblivion, we will have nobody to blame but the track-suing SCUM. I say burn 'em all at the stake!
I like this guy !!! ....
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BAMX 9/17/2012 8:15pm
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CamP wrote:
At least we flushed out another track suing low life.
There is no lower form of moto-life than someone who sues a track. Especially for a fight that was at least partly his fault.
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TeamGreen 9/17/2012 8:18pm
9/17/2012 8:18pm
Damn, this thread-jacking has gotten down right jus'...

Sad.

Even I don't understand the lawsuit against the track.

That's jus' sad.
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CamP 9/17/2012 8:25pm
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I'm going to buy a new Motoconcepts bike stand just because of this thread.

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fader418 9/17/2012 8:40pm
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This thread needs some bears! Jared?
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fader418 wrote:
This thread needs some bears! Jared?
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RonSkj 9/17/2012 8:58pm
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fader418 wrote:
This thread needs some bears! Jared?
How Gay !
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Jarid332 wrote:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Y2cN7mKANaY/TVgSfXr783I/AAAAAAAAArA/aSTW4kc1l50/s1600/Brown+bear+C+Ivan+Seryodkin+copy.jpg[/img]
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Hut 9/17/2012 9:48pm
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fader418 wrote:
This thread needs some bears! Jared?
RonSkj wrote:
How Gay !
You must be thinking of this;
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mx918 9/18/2012 4:57am
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CamP wrote:
I'm going to buy a new Motoconcepts bike stand just because of this thread.
It'll be the last one you buy. I hated having to buy new ones every couple years, MotoConcepts solved that problem...the rubber on top doesn't even break down like every other stand.
Crashinskinoff 9/18/2012 5:28am
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Genova here. Just wanted to take a moment to express how proud I am of my guys this year. As a team we were the top...
Genova here. Just wanted to take a moment to express how proud I am of my guys this year.

As a team we were the top non factory supported team in both SX and MX, finishing week in week out ahead of the so called big boys.

Our little team consisting of the Hot Tub Guy and the Mini Bike Dad put together a bike, plan, strategy and more that was able to not only compete but every week beat the best factory efforts the world had to offer.

So many people said we couldn't and wouldnt be able to do it, but WE DID!

This is not about bragging, this is to publicly give credit to my guys for putting a bike on the track that never, NEVER boke. A bike that was able to rip more holeshots than any other bike and our rider who NEVER crashed or faltered.

Yes Mike got beat by Ryan almost every race, but to lose to a machine like Ryan and only Ryan, is no small feat, as that guy and his program are simply amazing.

With that said and I could say a lot more, Congrats from me to Mike and my guys for doing what most everybody said couldn't be done.
You guys kicked butt! It was a great year to be an Alessi fan!
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BobbyM 9/18/2012 5:43am
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You guys kicked butt! It was a great year to be an Alessi fan!
Damn rights crasher...the smartest most lucid thing you've ever said. Mighty proud of you.
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SLO1962 9/18/2012 7:41am
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CamP wrote:
Well, that says something about Crucean's character, or lack thereof. He gets pushy with a racer that's trying to line up for a race. He gets...
Well, that says something about Crucean's character, or lack thereof.

He gets pushy with a racer that's trying to line up for a race. He gets his ass kicked, then sues the track? Wow!
C.Worthy wrote:
So I'm assuming he was part of the Leib crew? If so then....wow
I think he is the Son-in-Law?
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SLO1962 9/18/2012 7:45am
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CamP wrote:
I'm going to buy a new Motoconcepts bike stand just because of this thread.
mx918 wrote:
It'll be the last one you buy. I hated having to buy new ones every couple years, MotoConcepts solved that problem...the rubber on top doesn't even...
It'll be the last one you buy. I hated having to buy new ones every couple years, MotoConcepts solved that problem...the rubber on top doesn't even break down like every other stand.
Best Stand on the Market!!!
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downandup 9/18/2012 11:34am
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SLO1962, do you work for Motoconcepts? Sure sounds like you do!

Pretty hilarious read! Not sure what the truth is in this whole thing, but I know that no one made VF's arm go up and punch that guy. VF followed Leib all over the gate and lined up next to him no matter where Leib moved. VF has been in more fights on the track than any other rider, maybe short of Ryan Hughes. That alone should tell people something.
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CamP 9/18/2012 12:05pm
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downandup wrote:
SLO1962, do you work for Motoconcepts? Sure sounds like you do! Pretty hilarious read! Not sure what the truth is in this whole thing, but I...
SLO1962, do you work for Motoconcepts? Sure sounds like you do!

Pretty hilarious read! Not sure what the truth is in this whole thing, but I know that no one made VF's arm go up and punch that guy. VF followed Leib all over the gate and lined up next to him no matter where Leib moved. VF has been in more fights on the track than any other rider, maybe short of Ryan Hughes. That alone should tell people something.
There's nothing in the rule books that says you can't line up next to your biggest competition. That was Friese's strategy to try to control the start, and he was perfectly fine in doing it. It wasn't a problem until Lieb's entourage tried to stop Friese, by force, from lining up where he wanted to line up. When Gene Crucuen grabbed and twisted Friese's head by the face guard, that's when the real problems started.
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DrSweden 9/18/2012 12:17pm
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Congrats to the team and Alessi. Good work pay off. Best season ever for MA?

I really impressive that the team/rider managed to dial in bike and over come all those previous team issues? Something went really well, here. This is probably a story in itself if one believe there was issues previously I mean...

Again, congrats!

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MT MX 9/18/2012 12:37pm
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Hut wrote:
You must be thinking of this; [img]http://www.tremendousupsidepotential.com/img/cutler-nancy.jpg[/img]
You must be thinking of this;
That is the funniest damn thing I've seen in a Loooooooooonnnggg time
(please no one follow up my remark with a 'that's what she said")
Experts_Exchange 9/18/2012 12:46pm
9/18/2012 12:46pm
downandup wrote:
SLO1962, do you work for Motoconcepts? Sure sounds like you do! Pretty hilarious read! Not sure what the truth is in this whole thing, but I...
SLO1962, do you work for Motoconcepts? Sure sounds like you do!

Pretty hilarious read! Not sure what the truth is in this whole thing, but I know that no one made VF's arm go up and punch that guy. VF followed Leib all over the gate and lined up next to him no matter where Leib moved. VF has been in more fights on the track than any other rider, maybe short of Ryan Hughes. That alone should tell people something.
CamP wrote:
There's nothing in the rule books that says you can't line up next to your biggest competition. That was Friese's strategy to try to control the...
There's nothing in the rule books that says you can't line up next to your biggest competition. That was Friese's strategy to try to control the start, and he was perfectly fine in doing it. It wasn't a problem until Lieb's entourage tried to stop Friese, by force, from lining up where he wanted to line up. When Gene Crucuen grabbed and twisted Friese's head by the face guard, that's when the real problems started.
There is nothing in the rule book that says you can't defaecate on the starting line either, but needless to say its not the right thing to do and you should avoid from doing so. There is a difference between RIGHT and WRONG. This is what Fries did the first moto start, I am guessing Lieb was trying to avoid personal injury by making sure they did not line up together the 2nd moto.
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C.Worthy 9/18/2012 12:51pm
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downandup wrote:
SLO1962, do you work for Motoconcepts? Sure sounds like you do! Pretty hilarious read! Not sure what the truth is in this whole thing, but I...
SLO1962, do you work for Motoconcepts? Sure sounds like you do!

Pretty hilarious read! Not sure what the truth is in this whole thing, but I know that no one made VF's arm go up and punch that guy. VF followed Leib all over the gate and lined up next to him no matter where Leib moved. VF has been in more fights on the track than any other rider, maybe short of Ryan Hughes. That alone should tell people something.
CamP wrote:
There's nothing in the rule books that says you can't line up next to your biggest competition. That was Friese's strategy to try to control the...
There's nothing in the rule books that says you can't line up next to your biggest competition. That was Friese's strategy to try to control the start, and he was perfectly fine in doing it. It wasn't a problem until Lieb's entourage tried to stop Friese, by force, from lining up where he wanted to line up. When Gene Crucuen grabbed and twisted Friese's head by the face guard, that's when the real problems started.
A bigger problem seems like one of leib's crew members is taking action against glen helen. That's a damn shame and really pathetic.
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NV825 9/18/2012 1:24pm
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Big congrats to Mike making it through the entire year injury free and finishing 2nd in the series. Definitely deserves praise and I hope when all the big names are back out there next year he knows he should be right there in the mix every week.
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CamP 9/18/2012 1:30pm
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downandup wrote:
SLO1962, do you work for Motoconcepts? Sure sounds like you do! Pretty hilarious read! Not sure what the truth is in this whole thing, but I...
SLO1962, do you work for Motoconcepts? Sure sounds like you do!

Pretty hilarious read! Not sure what the truth is in this whole thing, but I know that no one made VF's arm go up and punch that guy. VF followed Leib all over the gate and lined up next to him no matter where Leib moved. VF has been in more fights on the track than any other rider, maybe short of Ryan Hughes. That alone should tell people something.
CamP wrote:
There's nothing in the rule books that says you can't line up next to your biggest competition. That was Friese's strategy to try to control the...
There's nothing in the rule books that says you can't line up next to your biggest competition. That was Friese's strategy to try to control the start, and he was perfectly fine in doing it. It wasn't a problem until Lieb's entourage tried to stop Friese, by force, from lining up where he wanted to line up. When Gene Crucuen grabbed and twisted Friese's head by the face guard, that's when the real problems started.
Experts_Exchange wrote:
There is nothing in the rule book that says you can't defaecate on the starting line either, but needless to say its not the right thing...
There is nothing in the rule book that says you can't defaecate on the starting line either, but needless to say its not the right thing to do and you should avoid from doing so. There is a difference between RIGHT and WRONG. This is what Fries did the first moto start, I am guessing Lieb was trying to avoid personal injury by making sure they did not line up together the 2nd moto.
Two members of Pro Circuit did that exact same thing to Allesi at the final round of the nationals at Glen Helen back in '06 to help Villopoto win the championship. When Pro Circuit does it, it's good race strategy. When Friese does the exact same thing, the goon squad gets called in.

It's easy to avoid personal injury in such a situation. Just let off when the rider in front of you moves over. Happens all the time in racing.
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kongols 9/18/2012 1:42pm
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This thread is like a boss.
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slipdog 9/18/2012 4:11pm
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CamP wrote:
Well, that says something about Crucean's character, or lack thereof. He gets pushy with a racer that's trying to line up for a race. He gets...
Well, that says something about Crucean's character, or lack thereof.

He gets pushy with a racer that's trying to line up for a race. He gets his ass kicked, then sues the track? Wow!
C.Worthy wrote:
So I'm assuming he was part of the Leib crew? If so then....wow
SLO1962 wrote:
I think he is the Son-in-Law?
First, congrats to Alessi and MCR for the outstanding effort this year.

Second, congrats to Michael Lieb for his outstanding effort this year.

Third, not only did I hear (from a reliable source) that he's an in-law to Leib, but he is also a Vital member. The broke jaw track suing starting gate enforcer walks among us!
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andymoto 9/18/2012 4:13pm
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SLO1962 wrote:
Mr. Leib, in my opinion, you were the cause of the incident @ GH, that subsequently got your team member's jaw broken, and ego broken. I...
Mr. Leib, in my opinion, you were the cause of the incident @ GH, that subsequently got your team member's jaw broken, and ego broken. I suspect that you directed them to get between VF and the starting gate, which is the cause of the fight, where Vince found himself having to defend himself. Each side has "eye-witnesses" but when the dust settles, and the truth comes out, you and your team will come out on the wrong side.
Your son is an excellent rider, and if you would have just allowed them to race, without trying to cause trouble, the race results would have been the same, and Michael would have prevailed, without incident. Your clan, including Mr. Crucean caused the fight, and you, sir are the reason Mr. Crucean has a broken jaw, and a bruised ego!
GuyB wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, this will likely get decided in court, and not in kangaroo court, correct? Smile
MrWrite wrote:
This piqued my interest so I took a quick look-see at the court docket and the complaint. The most interesting part of it? This clown GENE...
This piqued my interest so I took a quick look-see at the court docket and the complaint.

The most interesting part of it?

This clown GENE CRUCEAN is a modern-day Rich Cain! Track-suing SCUM. See for yourself:

GENE CRUCEAN, an individual,

V.

GLEN HELEN RACING, INC., a California Corporation

"Plaintiff is informed and believes, and based thereon alleges, that at all times mentioned herein, Defendant GLEN HELEN RACING, INC. (hereinafter "GLEN HELEN") is a California Corporation located in and operating in San Bernardino, California and is thus subject to the jurisdiction of this Court."

"GLEN HELEN did not follow its own procedures, policies, and/or rules"

CAUSES OF ACTION
NEGLIGENCE

"As a direct and proximate result of Defendants' aforementioned negligent conduct,
Plaintiff suffered and will continue to suffer, damages in an amount to be proven and determined
at the time of trial."

When we have nowhere left to ride, when all the tracks are sued in oblivion, we will have nobody to blame but the track-suing SCUM. I say burn 'em all at the stake!
http://www.vitalmx.com/community/crewshin,14719/all

Dang shame.
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slipdog 9/18/2012 4:23pm
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LOL!

Sounds like you heard the same thing as me. I was trying to get a second verfication before I dropped his screen name, but looks like it's verified.
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fader418 9/18/2012 6:58pm
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How many pages are you gonna let this nonsense go on GuyB?
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CamP 9/18/2012 7:39pm
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How many pages are you gonna let this nonsense go on GuyB?
Exposing a track suing low life is nonsense? I don't think so.

I find it ironic that the thread jacking started with the vocal anti-VF crowd and then it turns out they are joined at the hip with a track suing POS.

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