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C'mon people. There is a lot more to this.
It happens on both sides. Lets just be honest about this.
Hell, we have Christians that bomb abortion clinics here. Do they get labeled "extremists" and is that religion condemned?
As well as Iran, take a look at the colonialism and subsequent violence that has occurred in Indonesia's history, another Mulsim region of the world.
If you want to read further back, breaking up the Ottoman Empire was by design as well.
And for more recent reading and a breakdown of what is at work, read Malcom X's writings.
It serves the interest of our media and the companies that own them to paint the Muslim religion in the worst possible light.
From what Ive read, and the "explanation" you asked for, it appears that the extreme Islamic schools and their subsequent violence has been secretly funded from the beginning by Zionist Jews in Israel to create unrest. It's all a big game of smoke and mirrors. Israel has a PhD is deception. They wont fight their wars out in the open, they will make it look like they are defending themselves. That is a very simplistic breakdown. There is no way I could type up all the reading and videos Ive watched. I dont think that will convince you one way or the other, but it may spark an interest to read up on the subject and maybe dig deeper for yourself.
The Muslim religion is an extremely disorganized group of people whose history has been one largely of peace. You cannot say that about the highly organized Christian religions, the Vatican, or the Jewish faith. I wont sit here and try and say that I got it all figured out, I still have a lot of reading to do on this subject matter. Its a tangled mess. I just know when stuff doesnt add up. And I also follow the trends. Iraq, Libya, Egypt, and soon to be Iran were all predicted. And Im reading and hearing about even worse things too come.
We'll see how it plays out I guess.
Hell, we have Christians that bomb abortion clinics here. Do they get labeled "extremists" and is that religion condemned?"
Happens on both sides?
When the last time you heard about a "christian" blowing up an abortion clinic? Comparing christians to these fanatical, intolerant zealots is not an accurate comparison, come on!
The irony is, that the ones who sympathize, defend and give the benefit of the doubt to these people (all of them, from the ones who strap bombs to their bodies to flying planes into buildings to killing innocent consulates to the ones who are violently protesting all around the world as we speak, these people all share the same cause) are the same group who claim all republicans, right wingers, tea partiers, christains and conservatives in general, to be haters, racist (unless you are black, then you are a uncle tom), intolerant extremist.
Whats up with that? Tell me who's being intolerant here.
This world is completely backwards!
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If it is happening (real muslims denouncing the violence) this group of media who be presenting it.
And on the other side, FOX also would be covering this news also.
Each media with perhaps their own spin however.
None of this stuff is a secret. It takes a minor amount of digging.
If you want your news spoon fed to you, those sources are great for entertainment value, but they are far from impartial or of journalistic integrity.
CNN recently refused to air a major piece they spent decent money producing, because it exposed the Bahrain situation for what it is.
Jabroni doesn't sound German......
Foreign dignitaries are assassinated all the time. You have to ask yourself why this situation is getting so much press? Did our media cover Omar Torrijos' assassination with such fervor? Not at all. Propaganda and politics go hand in hand, always have. The media is their tool, history has shown that. The Nazi's did it and we are as well.
Hell, my stepdad who raised me is Jewish, as is half my family.
Its the politics I have a issue with.
Honestly, its not like I went looking for a reason to dislike Jewish people or their faith. I just read A LOT and Israel seems to always be related to one thing or another. Like I said earlier, I havent studied enough to put it all together, but for the moment, it doesnt look good.
Funny you would call me German. yet this thread is full of hate for the Muslim religion. Hate is hate, no matter where it is pointed. I dont hate any particular religion, Im agnostic. They are all equally stupid, people are free to worship whatever they want. Their religion doesnt bother me.
Seriously Jimmie you need to learn how to use the internet...... This took me less than 10 seconds from wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence
Here are a few from the link.
December 25, 1984: An abortion clinic and two physicians' offices in Pensacola, Florida were bombed in the early morning of Christmas Day by a quartet of young people (Matt Goldsby, Jimmy Simmons, Kathy Simmons, Kaye Wiggins) who later called the bombings "a gift to Jesus on his birthday."[18][19][20] The clinic, the Ladies Center, would later be the site of the murder of Dr. John Britton and James Barrett in 1994 and a firebombing in 2012.
September 30, 2000: John Earl, a Catholic priest, drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had approved the drug RU-486. He pulled out an ax before being forced to the ground by the owner of the building, who fired two warning shots from a shotgun.[27]
Why did so many of these "peaceful" Muslims, as soon as their church was over, start mobbing and destroying stuff?
the pornstar film maker who made Innocence of Muslims is a pure idiot, but has again exposed "peaceful Muslims" for what they really are
And yes in the 1980's they were strong & growing and probably still are just kept out of the mainstream.
There was The Order/ Brüder Schweigen/Silent Brotherhood and copy cats/knock off groups over the years also and some still exist today.
Here is a documentary on probably the most famous extremist right wing Christian Identity group in this country to exist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mROoMMqkIiY
Besides, asking them to get their shit together is like the rest of the world asking us to get our shit together (Wall St, Politics, etc). Far more people suffer and/or die at the hands of our imperialism every single day than the whole of Extremist Islam caused violence combined.
Some of you here have a VERY limited scope of our countries history when it comes to foreign affairs. We've done more than our fair share of fucking with people in south America. The only difference is those cultures lack the religious ideology that strengthens their will to fight back.
If you closely examine damn near every single coup or overthrow of a government where it's country has resources or strategic importance our corporations want their hands on, you will find a rebel/terrorist group that was funded indirectly by our corporations and/or govt in some fashion or the other.
You think the Iran-Contra affair was just an anomaly? That is standard business practice. What's worse, is only about 50% of that nightmare ever made it to the public via mainstream media.
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Indonesia is a region that is rich in oil, yet stricken with poverty. You do the math.
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Thanks, you made my point.
Yes it happens, extremist in every group, but much more infrequent then the day to day, year after year violent acts of these intolerant "Muslims"
The some-what solution of the threat has always been...
Those type of groups in this country are heavily monitored and kept under close watch from undercover officers/agents,informants & other organizations.
If they weren't, there is no doubt in my mind that shit would go down.
That is the obvious reason why they are watched/monitored so closely.
But they have a handle on it in this country for the most part.
Many other events as well but I guess the Zionist payed for all of it.
Much of the problem simply comes from Palestinian jealousy for their ethno-religious neighbors.
And here is a more political one. http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/2748.htm
I'm sorry, I don't see the comparison. We could only dream that the middle east someday becomes an Indonesia.
Keep reading, you'll figure out what Im talking about. Ask yourself how their entire modern infrastructure was built, who built it, and how they are paying for it (with oil). That infrastructure that allows you to do business there does not benefit its people, thus the reason that place is poor when it should look like Dubai.
Indonesia produces 1 million bbl/day which ain't shit
but you know that because you looked it up
In 1976, shortly after we went in there, they were producing oil that ranked them much higher per day than they are now in relation to the rest of the world. Indonesia's Oil production today is half of what it was in 1976 when it peaked.
They are also a world leader in coal and natural gas exports.
Hell, Iran only does 3 milion per day currently (5% of world production), and what, you think were really going to invade them because they set up a nuclear reactor? We're just mad because were not the ones who got to build and maintain it. But have no fear, we'll blow the snot out of that thing and their entire infrastructure just so we can go in there and rebuild it.
Indonesia's oil industry is one of the oldest in the world. You think we really were protecting them from communism? Or we were protecting our rights to their oil contracts. You might think that their production isnt worth much, but their untapped reserves were at the time, and still are.
Only a complete moron would denounce someone doing research and "looking things up".
You know who worked along side Ford to give the go ahead on that East Timor invasion?
Kissinger! (The same guy who had HUGE interest & influence in the Iraq war. Go figure.)
A lot of the stuff about that ordeal was classified for the longest time and some still is.
But you can find out some of the details/dirt and laws they broke knowingly like supplying US weapons and other stuff from the State Department records at the National Archives. There is all sorts of dirty shit in there back from that era.
On a side note,currently East Timor's oil fund alone is estimated at about $10 billion a year.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/16/the-massacre-at-sabra-and-shatil…
Classic Israeli / US hedgemony right there that is the driving force behind the fanaticism on the Muslim side. The sooner we - as Ron Paul would have done or claimed to want to do, distance are self from Israel the better. Sending them endless $Billions in aid a year when this is the type of behavior they are known for is foolish. We are broke, this is not the way to spend our money and not the right Gov't to support.
Hegemony (UK /hɨˈɡɛməni/, US /ˈhɛdʒɨmoʊni/, US /hɨˈdʒɛməni/; Greek: ἡγεμονία hēgemonía, “leadership”, “rule”) is an indirect form of government of imperial dominance in which the hegemon (leader state) rules geopolitically sub-ordinate states by the implied means of power, the threat of the threat, rather than by direct military force.[1]
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