To the guys at AMA / MXSports... What Pay?

superglue wrote:

'Comparing purses in NASCAR or other pro sports to MX? One of the big things you need to consider is, are you being paid big money...

'Comparing purses in NASCAR or other pro sports to MX? One of the big things you need to consider is, are you being paid big money for your TV rights like NASCAR? That's a huge source of revenue that MX doesn't enjoy.'


So....in the meantime MXSports has to pocket the majority of the revenue there is? It would be interesting in comparing the P/L statements of mxsports and the 15-40 riders combined.

I know, I guess that pegs the "painfully unrealistic meter".

thehuck.0 wrote:

What business is it of yours, exactly how much MXSports "pockets"....? If they are making so much money, and it's that easy, start your own series...

What business is it of yours, exactly how much MXSports "pockets"....?

If they are making so much money, and it's that easy, start your own series! Then you can pay the riders what they 'deserve'....

Predator wrote:

This huck dude seems like a douche bag... you know... from the outside looking in.

Roger@Arroyo wrote:

Big difference between getting paid for the rights to broadcast the races and paying to broadcast the races. I'm pretty sure they're paying to broadcast the...

Big difference between getting paid for the rights to broadcast the races and paying to broadcast the races. I'm pretty sure they're paying to broadcast the races....that's where the money goes.

mxonefan wrote:

Surprise! MX Sports nor the AMA pay a single dollar to the $64,000 pro purse! The fastest 80 men in the world share $64,000 to risk...

Surprise! MX Sports nor the AMA pay a single dollar to the $64,000 pro purse! The fastest 80 men in the world share $64,000 to risk their lives and permanent injury! That is about $800.00 each if divided evenly.

Wow we have come a long way after 40 years of motocross history, we should all be so proud

moto138 wrote:

why are you trying to deflect from the original posters topic? some people would call that hijacking the thread? everytime this topic is brought up somebody...

why are you trying to deflect from the original posters topic? some people would call that hijacking the thread? everytime this topic is brought up somebody hijacks or deletes it. wonder why that is? i think its because everybody is scared of telling the truth about the way the riders are treated by mxsports and everybody else involved in the sport.

we will see how long this thread lasts..

GuyB wrote:

Why? Because I have a pretty solid idea who posted it (actually someone I like and respect), and there's a tiny bit more back story to...

Why? Because I have a pretty solid idea who posted it (actually someone I like and respect), and there's a tiny bit more back story to the whole deal. I generally peek at first-time posters who "step in it" on their first post or two to check IDs. There are some people who are professional fecal-disturbers, and I wanted to make sure this wasn't one of them.

As for the purse, I think everyone wants to see the riders make more money. But as an example, the crowd at Steel City was down by (I'm guessing here) at least 25% from the year before (darn football).

Comparing purses in NASCAR or other pro sports to MX? One of the big things you need to consider is, are you being paid big money for your TV rights like NASCAR? That's a huge source of revenue that MX doesn't enjoy.

I think you're missing the ball on why threads like this don't last long. It's not being scared, or because there's some big spooky conspiracy. It's that some of the opinions are so misguided or far-fetched that they peg the painfully unrealistic meter, and some of them are almost embarrassing to read.

lostboy819 wrote:

So how come the riders are not the ones complaining about getting paid?? How come its the guys who think they know what all the riders...

So how come the riders are not the ones complaining about getting paid?? How come its the guys who think they know what all the riders make are the ones pissing about them being under paid. You think Nic Wey or Jason Thomas give a shit how little money you make at your job ? Hell NO so why are you guys worried about them , Nic Wey is not even in the hunt for a win but looks like he is doing just fine.

lostboy819 wrote:

So how come the riders are not the ones complaining about getting paid?? How come its the guys who think they know what all the riders...

So how come the riders are not the ones complaining about getting paid?? How come its the guys who think they know what all the riders make are the ones pissing about them being under paid. You think Nic Wey or Jason Thomas give a shit how little money you make at your job ? Hell NO so why are you guys worried about them , Nic Wey is not even in the hunt for a win but looks like he is doing just fine.

moto138 wrote:

The riders are complaining,you just ain't hearing it. I heard some rather heated discussions about it in the bar of the hyatt regency on saturday night.

lostboy819 wrote:

So how come the riders are not the ones complaining about getting paid?? How come its the guys who think they know what all the riders...

So how come the riders are not the ones complaining about getting paid?? How come its the guys who think they know what all the riders make are the ones pissing about them being under paid. You think Nic Wey or Jason Thomas give a shit how little money you make at your job ? Hell NO so why are you guys worried about them , Nic Wey is not even in the hunt for a win but looks like he is doing just fine.

moto138 wrote:

The riders are complaining,you just ain't hearing it. I heard some rather heated discussions about it in the bar of the hyatt regency on saturday night.

lostboy819 wrote:

So how come the riders are not the ones complaining about getting paid?? How come its the guys who think they know what all the riders...

So how come the riders are not the ones complaining about getting paid?? How come its the guys who think they know what all the riders make are the ones pissing about them being under paid. You think Nic Wey or Jason Thomas give a shit how little money you make at your job ? Hell NO so why are you guys worried about them , Nic Wey is not even in the hunt for a win but looks like he is doing just fine.

moto138 wrote:

The riders are complaining,you just ain't hearing it. I heard some rather heated discussions about it in the bar of the hyatt regency on saturday night.

426Hemi wrote:

While staying at a hotel that costs at least $125 a night for a single person. Really?

lostboy819 wrote:

So how come the riders are not the ones complaining about getting paid?? How come its the guys who think they know what all the riders...

So how come the riders are not the ones complaining about getting paid?? How come its the guys who think they know what all the riders make are the ones pissing about them being under paid. You think Nic Wey or Jason Thomas give a shit how little money you make at your job ? Hell NO so why are you guys worried about them , Nic Wey is not even in the hunt for a win but looks like he is doing just fine.

moto138 wrote:

The riders are complaining,you just ain't hearing it. I heard some rather heated discussions about it in the bar of the hyatt regency on saturday night.

lostboy819 wrote:

So again, why do you care ? Do you think James Stewart gives a damn about how much money you dont make ? or Dungey,Short,Alsessi,Reed,Milsaps,Wey,Barcia,Tomac,Wilson,etc etc...

So again, why do you care ? Do you think James Stewart gives a damn about how much money you dont make ? or Dungey,Short,Alsessi,Reed,Milsaps,Wey,Barcia,Tomac,Wilson,etc etc ? The guys who dont make the money are the ones who are not good enough. I figured out when I was about 18 that I would not be good enough to make a living racing so I didnt quit my day job. sorry if its harsh but if you cant make a living racing than you are not good enough. MX is only so big so not all the riders are gonna make enough to get by.

moto138 wrote:

The riders are complaining,you just ain't hearing it. I heard some rather heated discussions about it in the bar of the hyatt regency on saturday night.

426Hemi wrote:

While staying at a hotel that costs at least $125 a night for a single person. Really?

moto138 wrote:

yes really. I'm not a racer i have the finances to afford what ever i want. 125 a night ain't a bad rate.

moto138 wrote:

The riders are complaining,you just ain't hearing it. I heard some rather heated discussions about it in the bar of the hyatt regency on saturday night.

lostboy819 wrote:

So again, why do you care ? Do you think James Stewart gives a damn about how much money you dont make ? or Dungey,Short,Alsessi,Reed,Milsaps,Wey,Barcia,Tomac,Wilson,etc etc...

So again, why do you care ? Do you think James Stewart gives a damn about how much money you dont make ? or Dungey,Short,Alsessi,Reed,Milsaps,Wey,Barcia,Tomac,Wilson,etc etc ? The guys who dont make the money are the ones who are not good enough. I figured out when I was about 18 that I would not be good enough to make a living racing so I didnt quit my day job. sorry if its harsh but if you cant make a living racing than you are not good enough. MX is only so big so not all the riders are gonna make enough to get by.

moto138 wrote:

You guys are missing the point. its not about rider salaries. its about the purse payout. its about reinvesting into the sport and making it grow...

You guys are missing the point. its not about rider salaries. its about the purse payout. its about reinvesting into the sport and making it grow. if the sport grows the payouts get bigger, it motivate people to get better at what they do.
if all the other riders that aren't the big names stopped showing up how long do you think the sport would be around? do you really think it would be appealing to watch only the guys that draw a big salary race?
I don't know and i don't care how much money stewart and the big guys make,and i don't care if they care what i make.


And let me address your statements about "how much money i don't make and how little money i make at my job".
You sir,know nothing about me,but you think that you can intimidate me by making others think that i am just a washed up has been,never was racer complaining about not getting paid to race. You are not even close to the truth.
My net worth is something that you can not fathom. When you have to resort to personal attacks you have already lost the debate. The fact remains that this discussion was headed down this path from the start.

You gentlemen can have the rest of the discussion to yourselves. I have said my piece and now its time to move along to more important things in my life.
Good Day.

mxonefan wrote:

Surprise! MX Sports nor the AMA pay a single dollar to the $64,000 pro purse! The fastest 80 men in the world share $64,000 to risk...

Surprise! MX Sports nor the AMA pay a single dollar to the $64,000 pro purse! The fastest 80 men in the world share $64,000 to risk their lives and permanent injury! That is about $800.00 each if divided evenly.

Wow we have come a long way after 40 years of motocross history, we should all be so proud

GuyB wrote:

Why? Because I have a pretty solid idea who posted it (actually someone I like and respect), and there's a tiny bit more back story to...

Why? Because I have a pretty solid idea who posted it (actually someone I like and respect), and there's a tiny bit more back story to the whole deal. I generally peek at first-time posters who "step in it" on their first post or two to check IDs. There are some people who are professional fecal-disturbers, and I wanted to make sure this wasn't one of them.

As for the purse, I think everyone wants to see the riders make more money. But as an example, the crowd at Steel City was down by (I'm guessing here) at least 25% from the year before (darn football).

Comparing purses in NASCAR or other pro sports to MX? One of the big things you need to consider is, are you being paid big money for your TV rights like NASCAR? That's a huge source of revenue that MX doesn't enjoy.

I think you're missing the ball on why threads like this don't last long. It's not being scared, or because there's some big spooky conspiracy. It's that some of the opinions are so misguided or far-fetched that they peg the painfully unrealistic meter, and some of them are almost embarrassing to read.

TeamGreen wrote:

Damn. There is SO MUCH actual "FACTUAL INFO" missing here that it's just stunning... 1. Who are the riders that "Deserve" more money and WHY do...

Damn.

There is SO MUCH actual "FACTUAL INFO" missing here that it's just stunning...

1. Who are the riders that "Deserve" more money and WHY do they deserve it?
Example: 1st thru 20th earn points...what do those positions pay?

2. We're talking about "Pro-Athletes"...if they're "Pros"...who's responsible for their "Revenue Stream"?
Example: Certain "smart" riders that aren't necessarily regarded as the Super-Fast guys...still make a few dollars by SELECTING events and series that pay...Cole Siebler, for example...

3. You could pull down a list of 60-80 riders that're getting PAID to go to the races...give it a shot...list the Teams and riders...

4. EVERYONE acts like this is Socialized Welfare? W-T-F? PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES.

5. I've tried to get a few of these guys that are referred to in this thread as the "Under-Class", if you will, to go to some of these local/regional/"state" races with pretty exceptional pay-outs...they're too busy or don't want to hear it.

And then there's THIS: There are more than a few riders that are out there "Chasing Their Dreams"...and I admire that...but...in some cases...the dream is a "Chase"...and that's jus' how it is. More than a few of these kids should probably be more realistic about their chances and possibilities: You DO realize that #54, Weston Peick -IS- only hitting certain races he can AFFORD to go to...right? And he IS making a SOLID IMPRESSION at those events...even if it does involve kicking SOMEONE-ELSE'S ASS...Bwahahahahahaha...

Any-how...

I ACTUALLY APPRECIATE WHERE THE INTENT OF THIS THREAD COMES FROM

It's just that it's misguided in it's presumption that ANYONE is trying and/or IS taking ANYTHING from the Riders without GIVING EVERYTHING...Including Putting their LIVELY-HOOD and "Worth" on the Dotted Line just BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN THE SPORT (Regarding The Nationals/MX-Sports, that is).

A Family threw down ALL THEY ARE to get this series in the hands of ACTUAL ENTHUSIASTS.

Those are the FACTS.

As to Supercross?

That's a WHOLE'NOTHER Kettle of Fish!

Holigan wrote:

I haven’t owned a NASCAR team since 2004, so I am a little foggy on the numbers. I believe the split on television revenue was 55%...

I haven’t owned a NASCAR team since 2004, so I am a little foggy on the numbers. I believe the split on television revenue was 55% to the track, 10% to NASCAR and 35% to the race purse.

There is no television revenue in SX or MX. Feld pays to put SX races on television and MX Sports pays to put MX on television. There is no network television money for the race purse.

The other money you read about in NASCAR is from contingency sponsors. Those are the stickers on the front quarter panel of the car. There are a few that you have to run, and then some that a team can choose to run. They each have a payout based on how you finish.

That is not the case in SX/MX. All of the sponsors cut their own deals with the teams and riders. You never see that money listed in the awards as it goes direct to the teams/riders.

It would be great if everyone in the sport could make more money, but there are no television networks paying to broadcast SX/MX races.

JoJmoto wrote:

That would be Huck's responce to anyone who disliked their job, or factors within it... It has been his answer for several years now, never a...

That would be Huck's responce to anyone who disliked their job, or factors within it... It has been his answer for several years now, never a person with solutions to problems, simply a person outside looking in and always the same suggestion. Its all so simple I guess...

Dont like being a Doctor, find another job! Forget about the $100,000.00's it cast you or the 8-12 years of your college life, go be a deli slicer...

Dont like being a MX'er, forget about the ton of money your parents spent helping you fulfill your dream job or the 15+ years you have dedicated to the sport, quit and go get a job serving fast food.....

I'm sure he has all the answers, guess we just have to ask.

lostboy819 wrote:

So again, why do you care ? Do you think James Stewart gives a damn about how much money you dont make ? or Dungey,Short,Alsessi,Reed,Milsaps,Wey,Barcia,Tomac,Wilson,etc etc...

So again, why do you care ? Do you think James Stewart gives a damn about how much money you dont make ? or Dungey,Short,Alsessi,Reed,Milsaps,Wey,Barcia,Tomac,Wilson,etc etc ? The guys who dont make the money are the ones who are not good enough. I figured out when I was about 18 that I would not be good enough to make a living racing so I didnt quit my day job. sorry if its harsh but if you cant make a living racing than you are not good enough. MX is only so big so not all the riders are gonna make enough to get by.

moto138 wrote:

You guys are missing the point. its not about rider salaries. its about the purse payout. its about reinvesting into the sport and making it grow...

You guys are missing the point. its not about rider salaries. its about the purse payout. its about reinvesting into the sport and making it grow. if the sport grows the payouts get bigger, it motivate people to get better at what they do.
if all the other riders that aren't the big names stopped showing up how long do you think the sport would be around? do you really think it would be appealing to watch only the guys that draw a big salary race?
I don't know and i don't care how much money stewart and the big guys make,and i don't care if they care what i make.


And let me address your statements about "how much money i don't make and how little money i make at my job".
You sir,know nothing about me,but you think that you can intimidate me by making others think that i am just a washed up has been,never was racer complaining about not getting paid to race. You are not even close to the truth.
My net worth is something that you can not fathom. When you have to resort to personal attacks you have already lost the debate. The fact remains that this discussion was headed down this path from the start.

You gentlemen can have the rest of the discussion to yourselves. I have said my piece and now its time to move along to more important things in my life.
Good Day.

lostboy819 wrote:

So I will ask you again , why do you care what the purse money is or what the riders get ? you are not a...

So I will ask you again , why do you care what the purse money is or what the riders get ? you are not a racer ,you are nothing more than a spectator who wants to spend MX sports money for them. again why do you care , it is none of your business but the riders are doing pretty good in my book . This is not a personal attack on you its a question as why you think you know whats wrong with a damn good system when you don't benefit or lose anything from it. And again not one rider gives a damn about what you make or don't make so why do you feel the need to try to "fix" their problem that does not exist.

How many people do you know who started racing for the money , my guess is zero. You think if they didn't pay any purse money at the races and just called it the national championships that no one would show? Hell no the gates would still be full and now their are lots of riders who are lucky and talented enough to make a damn good living racing motorcycles and if you don't have the talent they just like Huck says its time to get a real job.

And for your statement as the riders are complaining I bet its riders who very few people who have heard of and guys that just don't have what it takes, if not give us some names and yes the sport has grown, it has grown so much that what at one time was pickup trucks and vans with riders sleeping in tents "yes even at the nationals" to huge motorhome cities at amature and local events and riders who are multi millionaires and riders who will never win a national championship making six and seven figure incomes so who care if it purse money or factory or sponsors money because the riders are getting paid.

superglue wrote:

They have a choice? Like get another job? If it's what you do, and you don't want to settle for a "regular job" then you make...

They have a choice? Like get another job? If it's what you do, and you don't want to settle for a "regular job" then you make sacrifices and do what you "love". But you have to remember.....these guys are entertainers, they should not have to pay to entertain you, no more than Robert DeNiro should have to pay for your movie ticket. Name one other sport (job) where it costs the main attraction money to perform. Not even taking into consideration the danger factor.

DC wrote:

MXOneFan, I am not sure who you are or what beef you have with me or MX Sports that made you join this board today and...

MXOneFan,

I am not sure who you are or what beef you have with me or MX Sports that made you join this board today and let me have it with both barrels, but I can assure you I am doing the best I can to give professional motocross racers in America the best platform I can to race their motorcycles in front of fans, both a live audience and a growing TV stage. It's a great responsibility, but it does not pay as well as you think. Fortunately, I have another business I've built which allows me to work and focus on growing this series without worrying about my personal compensation here.

I am guessing that some wave broke the wrong way for you or your son/daughter recently, but I believe in working through any issue. I have some ideas and concepts, and you can bring solutions and ideas to me anytime rather than posting complaints and anonymous rants on a public forum built upon bench-racing enthusiasm for motocross and a bulletin board for sound ideas to make progress for the athletes and teams.

My email address is DC@mxsports.com, but I think you already have it. Or you can find me in the pits this weekend at Lake Elsinore. Or I can come find you and discuss your ideas, suggestions and complaints.

DC
MX Sports

wow123 wrote:

lostb he's already told you why You should read posts more carfully it really helps when debating.... He cares about the future of this/our great sport...

lostb he's already told you why

You should read posts more carfully it really helps when debating....

He cares about the future of this/our great sport ! !

Here it is quoting moto138",i do care about the sport surviving. "