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If the politicians are not present then we know it was a terrorist attack (aka inside-job meant to terrorize us into supporting another Afganistan-type invasion of some country.)
Wow, That is really insulting to a lot of people. I guess you don't know too many who have served in the military, especially in special forces.
It may be insulting to say that our police forces are made up of the bottom of the barrel but I think it is the truth. Just because someone is a good solider doesnt make them a person of good judgement. Following orders and critical thinking do not always go hand in hand. If you can think on your own two feet, like JT, then you are the exception, not the rule.
When was the last time you were in boot camp? The majority of the kids in their are derelicts. And when they get out, they are just well disciplined derelicts. No more equipped to go start a business and contribute to society than they were prior to joining the military. Their best option is often the police force.
Look, I could get into a lengthy discussion explaining just how detrimental and inefficient our police and military are to our countries economy but I will spare you. The simple analogy is that it is a snake eating its own tail. They do not produce anything, they do not contribute to the economy, they only take. They are not worth their cost. It doesnt take an economics degree to see that it is a failed institution. The bottom line is that if a police officer had half a conscious, they'd turn in their badge and go work a productive job that adds to the economy and doesnt take from it as all social programs do. Which brings me to my original point, they are not smart enough to see it that way. Nor do I trust their judgement when it comes to their power, responsibility, and weapons use.
People will do some crazy and in-humane shit in the name of "following orders". Even smart people.
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American's are what made this country great, NOT the government. And its Americans that are the solution to our problems, NOT the government. This country was founded because of too much government. So to much government goes against the very grain that is America....
Big government, often, is the problem or the cause of the problem or a huge contributing factor to the problem. As soon as politicians and socialists alike realize that, then America will be able to get our of its own way and actuall improve for a change.
We need a smaller, much more limited, federal government.
The fact that I'm grouping those that have gone into the military might offend some. But the truth is that I get my assessment largely from those I speak to whom have been in the military. They didnt speak too highly of their fellow soldiers when speaking of their intelligence. I'm not even really taking into consideration the fact that I've never personally known one half-intelligent person that ended up a grunt.
Learning a highly technical skill doesnt make one of sound personal judgement/decision making either. Michael Vick is extremely skilled, but he doesnt have a lick of decent judgement.
Is it that much of a reach for me to say that for "most" whom ended up in the military, that it wasnt their first choice of path in life. That, like you said, they ended up their due to some unfortunate circumstance or bad situation (ie due to poor judgement). Poor test scores or whatever the case, I dont see how Im supposed to trust these people more than my fellow neighbor when it comes to responsible behavior.
I don't find it objectionable that a coyote is hunting for food. What's wrong with that? I guess if you own a farm you'd be pissed if they're tearing through your fences and getting after your livestock. But, if it's just killing what you leave roaming around, figure out how to fix it without killing the coyote. If you have sheep, get a couple llamas. Raise 'em with the sheep, and you'll have essentially free 24/7 bodyguards for your sheep.
What I really hate are those fucking panzy suburbanites who move next to the mountains then start bitching about the animals coming into their yard, killing their cats and dogs, and eating the fruit or leaves off their trees. Uh....duh. No shit, Sherlock. You moved into the area they inhabited.
Personally, I dig the wildlife. I leave my back gate open so the wildlife can come into my yard and have at the fruit. Kinda cool when a bull elk with a rack that's tall enough to hit my deck (which is 8' above my backyard) cruises through in the dark. If a coyote gets at my dogs, well, either I'll have to get bigger dogs or better fencing. If they get at a girlfriend's cats....I'll get her more cats to feed the coyotes...lol.
Ive never understood it. It reeked of inferiority complex.
And what exactly is the rush of killing an animal that doesnt stand a chance? I get the rush from the hunt, if it is actually a challenge. Which is why I love paintball. You get to hunt humans. That can shoot back.
Killing a deer or elk or lion for that matter arent a challenge. It doesnt take great cunning. It isnt uncharted territory.
I wish I had the time/patience to hunt for elk, though. I love that meat.
Packing a 7mm, I spent a week on the mountain-early mornings, late nights, hiking up and down mountains for more miles than I care to count-on the last day of the hunt I managed to knock down a bull elk at 700 yards. Let me tell you, the sense of accomplishment was something I've never felt before, and trust me it was NOT easy! It was the best the elk had (speed, stamina, incredible sense of smell, great hearing, natural camo, etc) against the best that I had (my brain, binocs, and a gun-thankfully), and for 6 days the damn elk was kicking my ass...and it was until the last moments of daylight on the last day of the hunt that I managed to just barely sneak within rifle range and knock him down (and knocking him down is another-funny, embarrasing-story for another day).
I personally ate or gave away every single edible piece of that elk. And seeing that huge magnificent animal dead-because of me-was one of the saddest things I've ever experienced (the conflicting emotions was interested-satisfaction for tagging a huge animal and sad that I'd killed it...all at the same time).
Anyway, I've got it out of my system...I'll probably never do it again. But my perspective on "sport hunting" changed drastically. It's not as easy as driving your truck into the mountains and shooting an elk. And with a gun its hard. With a bow, that's just down right impressive (of course, they get to wear camo, hunt during the rut and can call/bugle the elk in to them...so they have a few tools that I didn't).
Anyway, knocking humans for killing animals with guns...and/or expecting them to kill the animals with a knife or whatever, in order for the playing field to be level (all humans have in this big huge nature game is our brains, and the things our brains have been able to invent over the centuries...without our brains, we're nothing compared to nature)...would be like asking lions to survive without there sharp teeth and claws...or cheetas to survive without their speed...bears without their size and strength. Anyway, not sure if that makes sense...but in nature-and in hunting-its the best the animals have (their size, speed, eyesight, hearing, strength, natural camo, size, etc) against the best we humans have (our brains and the things our brains have made). Asking humans to hunt without our brains, is like asking the animals to be hunted without the things that give them a natural edge.
And, if a gun is the natural evolution of the human, then you're behind me. I just go to the store and buy the meat. Takes me 30 minutes, and I'm back home drinking a beer. Asking me to go backwards and hunt with a gun is like taking away the eyesight and talons from a hawk...right? lol....
I've been out "calling for elk" during the rut with my grandfather a bunch of times, and in so doing was able to get, several times, within 15 feet of a bull elk (in full camo, down wind). I assumed rifle hunting would be easy....it wasn't. The difficulty wasn't in killing the animal, it was in finding it, and then keeping it in sight long enough to get a shot off. And without the benefit of a cow call/bugle...we had no choice but to go to them, and that ain't easy, its a needle in a hay stack and the needle can hear us coming, smell us coming etc. and then move (neither of which are an issue when calling an elk to you).
And of course the rifle was a natural evolution of the human, but it was the ultimate evolution. Raising our food in captivity from babies, pumping it full of chemicals and hormones to make it grow faster, and then killing it in slaughter houses are much more efficient than a rifle
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So, first you say it's modern evolution to hunt with a gun, but now you say it's more primitive. Hey, tell ya' what....go throw an animal hide over you and hunt it with a stick and a rock. Get real primitive. I'm the other side of the spectrum....I use Google and my cell phone.
A gun is "modern" in the perspective of human history....but not as modern as going to the grocery store and eating domestically raised/slaughtered meat.
The best I saw was my one buddy whose parents own a ranch near Absarokee Montana. They'll only shoot the Elk on their property, because those Elk are feeding on the alfalfa hay they grow, and have no gamey taste to them. Best elk I've ever had. My buddy told me he could shoot them right from his bedroom window. Now that's what I call primitive...had to open the window.
But I agree with you, no sport in hunting like that. None at all.
Ok...so we strayed from the subject here a bit....not that that ever happens...lol.
Gotta beware of any meat we eat these days. Whether they are homegrown and without antibiotics or not, they still have to be slaughtered at the slaughterhouses with all the other diseased and sick "normal" fed cows. 'They' find a way to contaminate the meat one way or another.
Maybe the rules are different these days, but their was a time where ranchers who did it the right way couldnt slaughter their own beef for commercial use.
Titan1, good story. But I still dont see the rush. You didnt outsmart that Elk. I get that it was grueling physically but so are a lot of things. You clearly didnt "get off" from killing the animal, so you dont exactly fit into the demographic I was trying to describe earlier.
If people want to hunt for food, so be it. I got no issue with it. Spear fish for all I care. As long as a person eats it then what is the harm. But if the motivation is the kill, and not the food or the hunt, then I just dont get it. There is no thrill in killing a weaker advissary if you ask me. If out-smarting a Elk is a challenge to someone, then my point is proven as to just how dumb they are.
I grew up on a ranch. Hunted regularly for food. But I never "got off" on it. But I knew plenty of other hick ranchers that would pay to go on hunting reserves like your grandfather. Pay big money just to say they took down a large animal. As if they could have done it without a guide. Again, dont take offense because this isnt directed at you.
But if their isnt any real chance of losing and the only real challenge is the physical challenge of the hike, I just dont understand it.
There is something about "the kill" that these sport hunters get off on and I think it says they might have issues. It would be like me getting enjoyment in hunting the neighbor dog with my paintball gun and sending him home yelping and looking like a bowl of fruit loops.
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