"You didn't do that, you didn't achieve that"

GoldenState54 7/20/2012 10:18am
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Typical mindset of someone who has had everything given to them throughout their life.
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vet323 7/20/2012 10:31am
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JustMX wrote:
Hopefully somebody will ask Ron Paul what he thinks of Obama's speech and he comes out critical of it. Poor oldfart is going to be running...
Hopefully somebody will ask Ron Paul what he thinks of Obama's speech and he comes out critical of it.

Poor oldfart is going to be running around like an ant after you mess up their trail home........
Naaa...oldfart had no problem opposing RP's stance on Obamacare.
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Skip376 7/20/2012 1:59pm
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High school is merely a holding cell until you get to college nowadays.
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Skip376 7/20/2012 2:03pm
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Did he earn his title of President of the United States of America or did "someone else" make that happen?
"We the people" and the democratic party made it happen. He's a puppet. The only thing Obama knows is how to play the system.

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jtomasik 7/20/2012 2:06pm
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JustMX wrote:
Hopefully somebody will ask Ron Paul what he thinks of Obama's speech and he comes out critical of it. Poor oldfart is going to be running...
Hopefully somebody will ask Ron Paul what he thinks of Obama's speech and he comes out critical of it.

Poor oldfart is going to be running around like an ant after you mess up their trail home........
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Naaa...oldfart had no problem opposing RP's stance on Obamacare.
Laughing
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vet323 7/20/2012 2:39pm
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Ok, I'll bite- what was taken out of context in the Pres's words?
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vet323 7/20/2012 2:54pm
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No shit.

I wasn't asking about what words he was saying, I was wondering about context. Or do you believe that there is some philosophical disagreement about where roads and bridges come from?
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Mr. G 7/20/2012 3:19pm
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It seemed to me he was pissed off and let the cat out of the bag as far as his real thought on the subject. There had to be people in the Left wing cringing.
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bsm121 7/20/2012 6:48pm
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i love it when politicians tell you what they said when there is evidence of the contrary...they either think we are really stupid, or don't really care...
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jimmie 7/20/2012 7:51pm
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Insulting those who don't agree with your perspective is really not necessary.

You're better than that.
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jimmie 7/20/2012 8:15pm
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Right on.

Perhaps it's not so much "partisan hackery" as it is maybe just a "different point of view"?

Anyways, who am I to attempt to self moderate this eclectic bunch of knuckleheads (of which I am one also ) on this site anyways?Pinch

Have an awesome weekend oldfart.
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vet323 7/20/2012 8:26pm
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EXPLAIN THE CONTEXT!!!!!

From his words he either meant:

"All you successful business owners didn't do it on your own because society came together to provide infrastructure."

In which case, NO SHIT! EVERYONE agrees on the government's role in providing infrastructure, rules of law, public education, national defense, fire protection and some form of public safety regulation. Infrastructure and those other services are a universally understood and agreed-upon function of government. Please, Mr. President- provide us with more banalities that counter no ones argument (unless he thinks Romney is an Anarchist).

Or he meant:

"All you successful business could only thrive with the government, your success is not a function of society, but a function of government control and guidance."

That is absurd. All of those things he mentioned are a constant for nearly every citizen and success occurs much less frequently. We all make use of all of those core government services, yet we are not all successful, why do you think that is? Roads and bridges and teachers and fire departments are not what separates liberals and conservatives, it's the OTHER crap the government spends money on that there is disagreement about (you know, the crap the President didn't talk about).

And I would guess that the President (and oldfart) haven't got a clue how large public works projects are even built or financed.
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tunedlength 7/20/2012 8:34pm
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What came first?
Revenue or the road?
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jimmie 7/20/2012 8:35pm
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vet323 wrote:
EXPLAIN THE CONTEXT!!!!! From his words he either meant: [b] "All you successful business owners didn't do it on your own because society came together to...
EXPLAIN THE CONTEXT!!!!!

From his words he either meant:

"All you successful business owners didn't do it on your own because society came together to provide infrastructure."

In which case, NO SHIT! EVERYONE agrees on the government's role in providing infrastructure, rules of law, public education, national defense, fire protection and some form of public safety regulation. Infrastructure and those other services are a universally understood and agreed-upon function of government. Please, Mr. President- provide us with more banalities that counter no ones argument (unless he thinks Romney is an Anarchist).

Or he meant:

"All you successful business could only thrive with the government, your success is not a function of society, but a function of government control and guidance."

That is absurd. All of those things he mentioned are a constant for nearly every citizen and success occurs much less frequently. We all make use of all of those core government services, yet we are not all successful, why do you think that is? Roads and bridges and teachers and fire departments are not what separates liberals and conservatives, it's the OTHER crap the government spends money on that there is disagreement about (you know, the crap the President didn't talk about).

And I would guess that the President (and oldfart) haven't got a clue how large public works projects are even built or financed.
Personally, I concur with the latter.
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tunedlength 7/20/2012 8:40pm
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What came first?
School or revenue?
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tunedlength 7/20/2012 8:48pm
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Bonus question
What came first?
Government or revenue.

To be clear the word trade can be used instead of revenue.
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Mr. G 7/20/2012 9:42pm
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Stop it. That is way too simple and to the point.
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Mr. G 7/20/2012 9:48pm
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By the way Obama's speech could make things pretty easy for Romney. All he has to do is start talking about the greatness that lies within us to succeed. Not in a hokey way but in a way that validates those that have the drive to get ahead as it helps the majority not only in spirit but in a hard cash sort of way.

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vet323 7/21/2012 7:49am
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You guys get it, oldfart is curiously silent.

Maybe when he gets back he can explain how that whole "Industrial Revolution" thing happened without massive federal government spending?
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vet323 7/21/2012 8:47am
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I'm not asking for an argument, just explain to me how I missed the context.
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vet323 7/21/2012 9:21am
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You never did. The only thing you've done repeatedly is proclaim that we have taken things out of context, you have never explained to us what the context was meant to be.

Which is it? Banal or collectivist?
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jtomasik 7/23/2012 9:22am
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I like how some people think the government "fixes" the economy. Historically, at least since WWII, the only true revenue "pop" our economy has experienced was the 1950's/1960's, when all of our international competition was trying to come back on line, and in the 1990's, which was in large part due to the information age revolution and wall street hoarding of money. Both of those economic revenue rushes came from private industry, not the government.

Looking for the government and its programs to fix the economy is like investing through your credit card. It's flat out inefficient, and it's only getting worse.
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jtomasik 7/23/2012 9:25am
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Listening to guys like Romney and Obama make me feel like I'm getting smoke blown up my ass by some infomercial. Don't you get the same feeling?
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Shiftfaced 7/23/2012 9:37am
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leakypipe23 7/24/2012 9:56pm
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^^^^forehead

The government's job is to provide infrastructure. Frankly, they need to invest more into infrastructure to help the economy. It is not the government's responsibility to create jobs.

Every business owner in America has the same opportunities. Some fail, some succeed.
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Mr. G 7/24/2012 10:10pm
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Speaking of such, were there not supposed to be a bunch of "shovel ready" infrastructure jobs promised by Obama?
sbarrington314 7/25/2012 4:03pm
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i want to say that i just finally watched that whole speech pres Obama gave, and its amazing how different it comes off on me, or makes me feel when i have the whole story and not just a phrase taken out of context.

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