Laurin Hill and the music industry!

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I understand her getting away from the industry, I don't see what that has to do with not paying her taxes.
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BUTCH wrote:
Interesting read and video! [url=http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/lauryn-hills-tumblr-letter-on-the-music-business/]http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/lauryn-hills-tumblr-letter-on-the-music-business/[/url]
Shocker, another celeb who thinks that they don't need to pay taxes because "the industry" is out to get them.
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BUTCH wrote:
Interesting read and video! [url=http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/lauryn-hills-tumblr-letter-on-the-music-business/]http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/lauryn-hills-tumblr-letter-on-the-music-business/[/url]
What she says about the music industry is tame compared to some other accounts, like this one: Hip Hop Letter

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TX24 wrote:
I understand her getting away from the industry, I don't see what that has to do with not paying her taxes.
It sounds like she did more than just get away from the industry. She dropped completely off the grid.
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BUTCH wrote:
Interesting read and video! [url=http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/lauryn-hills-tumblr-letter-on-the-music-business/]http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/lauryn-hills-tumblr-letter-on-the-music-business/[/url]
7I3N wrote:
What she says about the music industry is tame compared to some other accounts, like this one: Hip Hop Letter
713 gets it!Cool
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Excellent letter from Hill......she is hitting the nail on the head so hard sparks are flying.

I was in the music industry many years ago and she is absolutely on the money.....it is a beast.
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Maybe she could be more specific as to why it's the fault of others that she didn't pay her taxes. Speaking of entitlement- are they supposed to look the other way because she's an "sensitive" entertainer. A load of BS, in my opinion.
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Someone should find the guy who made her choose that profession and kick his ass. That's who's fault it is, clearly.
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SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Someone should find the guy who made her choose that profession and kick his ass. That's who's fault it is, clearly.
YUP!

She should either quit her bitching and get back into the game. Or continue to be out of public eye.

Or do something about it, and change things up.

She knew what she was getting into when she started, and if she didnt, she should have informed herself before signing her contracts.
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SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Someone should find the guy who made her choose that profession and kick his ass. That's who's fault it is, clearly.
kdx man wrote:
YUP! She should either quit her bitching and get back into the game. Or continue to be out of public eye. Or do something about it...
YUP!

She should either quit her bitching and get back into the game. Or continue to be out of public eye.

Or do something about it, and change things up.

She knew what she was getting into when she started, and if she didnt, she should have informed herself before signing her contracts.
Let me try to explain this for you........

The music business controls the output of any artist that participates in that industry.
Up until very recently you didn't have a choice but to play their game by their rules.......otherwise no one would ever hear your music.
The music industry effectively held a gun to your head when you signed a contract......it's either this or nothing.
Independent releases were small change until the internet gave every band a direct line to their fans.
Ask yourself why the recording industry is suing the pants off everyone in sight over internet rights......
Because they are losing the giant stream of revenue that only they could handle previously.

Nobody forced her to be a musician but they damn sure did force her to play by their rules or else.
The music business grinds up and spits out anyone that doesn't play the game.

Lauren Hill was put into a position where she had to make a choice to either stay in that restrictive system or go underground to get away from it.

It was a neccesary period of time that she didn't earn any money for her record label and as such didn't pay taxes.
Now that they are able to work her out of the restrictive contract she was in Lauren has made arrangements to pay her back taxes with the full admission that she should do so and the explanation about why the payment was delayed.
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jndmx wrote:
Let me try to explain this for you........ The music business controls the output of any artist that participates in that industry. Up until very recently...
Let me try to explain this for you........

The music business controls the output of any artist that participates in that industry.
Up until very recently you didn't have a choice but to play their game by their rules.......otherwise no one would ever hear your music.
The music industry effectively held a gun to your head when you signed a contract......it's either this or nothing.
Independent releases were small change until the internet gave every band a direct line to their fans.
Ask yourself why the recording industry is suing the pants off everyone in sight over internet rights......
Because they are losing the giant stream of revenue that only they could handle previously.

Nobody forced her to be a musician but they damn sure did force her to play by their rules or else.
The music business grinds up and spits out anyone that doesn't play the game.

Lauren Hill was put into a position where she had to make a choice to either stay in that restrictive system or go underground to get away from it.

It was a neccesary period of time that she didn't earn any money for her record label and as such didn't pay taxes.
Now that they are able to work her out of the restrictive contract she was in Lauren has made arrangements to pay her back taxes with the full admission that she should do so and the explanation about why the payment was delayed.
Exactly.
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jndmx wrote:
Let me try to explain this for you........ The music business controls the output of any artist that participates in that industry. Up until very recently...
Let me try to explain this for you........

The music business controls the output of any artist that participates in that industry.
Up until very recently you didn't have a choice but to play their game by their rules.......otherwise no one would ever hear your music.
The music industry effectively held a gun to your head when you signed a contract......it's either this or nothing.
Independent releases were small change until the internet gave every band a direct line to their fans.
Ask yourself why the recording industry is suing the pants off everyone in sight over internet rights......
Because they are losing the giant stream of revenue that only they could handle previously.

Nobody forced her to be a musician but they damn sure did force her to play by their rules or else.
The music business grinds up and spits out anyone that doesn't play the game.

Lauren Hill was put into a position where she had to make a choice to either stay in that restrictive system or go underground to get away from it.

It was a neccesary period of time that she didn't earn any money for her record label and as such didn't pay taxes.
Now that they are able to work her out of the restrictive contract she was in Lauren has made arrangements to pay her back taxes with the full admission that she should do so and the explanation about why the payment was delayed.
BINGO!
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jndmx wrote:
Let me try to explain this for you........ The music business controls the output of any artist that participates in that industry. Up until very recently...
Let me try to explain this for you........

The music business controls the output of any artist that participates in that industry.
Up until very recently you didn't have a choice but to play their game by their rules.......otherwise no one would ever hear your music.
The music industry effectively held a gun to your head when you signed a contract......it's either this or nothing.
Independent releases were small change until the internet gave every band a direct line to their fans.
Ask yourself why the recording industry is suing the pants off everyone in sight over internet rights......
Because they are losing the giant stream of revenue that only they could handle previously.

Nobody forced her to be a musician but they damn sure did force her to play by their rules or else.
The music business grinds up and spits out anyone that doesn't play the game.

Lauren Hill was put into a position where she had to make a choice to either stay in that restrictive system or go underground to get away from it.

It was a neccesary period of time that she didn't earn any money for her record label and as such didn't pay taxes.
Now that they are able to work her out of the restrictive contract she was in Lauren has made arrangements to pay her back taxes with the full admission that she should do so and the explanation about why the payment was delayed.
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Exactly. [img]http://i407.photobucket.com/albums/pp157/7I3N/BLM/thumbsup.gif[/img]
Exactly.
If she didn't earn any money, there'd be no income tax to pay. Taxes appear to be from when she was making money, and clearly was counting on future earnings to pay her current obligations. Sounds a lot like most athletes too.....
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APLMAN99 wrote:
If she didn't earn any money, there'd be no income tax to pay. Taxes appear to be from when she was making money, and clearly was...
If she didn't earn any money, there'd be no income tax to pay. Taxes appear to be from when she was making money, and clearly was counting on future earnings to pay her current obligations. Sounds a lot like most athletes too.....
Recording artists receive residual payments for past works that have still been selling.
I should have been more clear when I said not making money....I meant not releasing new material or entering into new contracts that generate revenue.

Even without releasing new music she would still have income form publishing and residuals.
That small amount is what was in question I believe.
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APLMAN99 wrote:
If she didn't earn any money, there'd be no income tax to pay. Taxes appear to be from when she was making money, and clearly was...
If she didn't earn any money, there'd be no income tax to pay. Taxes appear to be from when she was making money, and clearly was counting on future earnings to pay her current obligations. Sounds a lot like most athletes too.....
jndmx wrote:
Recording artists receive residual payments for past works that have still been selling. I should have been more clear when I said not making money....I meant...
Recording artists receive residual payments for past works that have still been selling.
I should have been more clear when I said not making money....I meant not releasing new material or entering into new contracts that generate revenue.

Even without releasing new music she would still have income form publishing and residuals.
That small amount is what was in question I believe.
That "small amount" was about $1.8 million.....
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APLMAN99 wrote:
If she didn't earn any money, there'd be no income tax to pay. Taxes appear to be from when she was making money, and clearly was...
If she didn't earn any money, there'd be no income tax to pay. Taxes appear to be from when she was making money, and clearly was counting on future earnings to pay her current obligations. Sounds a lot like most athletes too.....
jndmx wrote:
Recording artists receive residual payments for past works that have still been selling. I should have been more clear when I said not making money....I meant...
Recording artists receive residual payments for past works that have still been selling.
I should have been more clear when I said not making money....I meant not releasing new material or entering into new contracts that generate revenue.

Even without releasing new music she would still have income form publishing and residuals.
That small amount is what was in question I believe.
APLMAN99 wrote:
That "small amount" was about $1.8 million.....
Over the course of how many years?
And that is Gross, before paying all of the various taxes, managers and fees.

Not a lot of money when you consider the dollar amounts at stake in todays music industry.
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jndmx wrote:
Recording artists receive residual payments for past works that have still been selling. I should have been more clear when I said not making money....I meant...
Recording artists receive residual payments for past works that have still been selling.
I should have been more clear when I said not making money....I meant not releasing new material or entering into new contracts that generate revenue.

Even without releasing new music she would still have income form publishing and residuals.
That small amount is what was in question I believe.
APLMAN99 wrote:
That "small amount" was about $1.8 million.....
jndmx wrote:
Over the course of how many years? And that is Gross, before paying all of the various taxes, managers and fees. Not a lot of money...
Over the course of how many years?
And that is Gross, before paying all of the various taxes, managers and fees.

Not a lot of money when you consider the dollar amounts at stake in todays music industry.
3 years, and if she'd been paying taxes then she wouldn't have had to plead guilty to evasion.....

Even with 10% out for agent fees, that's $360K per year, on average. For someone who was laying low, staying out of the celebrity life, that's a boatload of money. Even if she'd paid the taxes, she'd have had over $200K to live on each year.

Not turning out new material is no excuse for not paying taxes on the income you do receive, and her income was substantial for someone desiring a simple life....
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APLMAN99 wrote:
That "small amount" was about $1.8 million.....
jndmx wrote:
Over the course of how many years? And that is Gross, before paying all of the various taxes, managers and fees. Not a lot of money...
Over the course of how many years?
And that is Gross, before paying all of the various taxes, managers and fees.

Not a lot of money when you consider the dollar amounts at stake in todays music industry.
APLMAN99 wrote:
3 years, and if she'd been paying taxes then she wouldn't have had to plead guilty to evasion..... Even with 10% out for agent fees, that's...
3 years, and if she'd been paying taxes then she wouldn't have had to plead guilty to evasion.....

Even with 10% out for agent fees, that's $360K per year, on average. For someone who was laying low, staying out of the celebrity life, that's a boatload of money. Even if she'd paid the taxes, she'd have had over $200K to live on each year.

Not turning out new material is no excuse for not paying taxes on the income you do receive, and her income was substantial for someone desiring a simple life....
So what’s your point? Do you think her whole story is just a bunch of BS to justify her not paying her taxes on time?
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jndmx wrote:
Over the course of how many years? And that is Gross, before paying all of the various taxes, managers and fees. Not a lot of money...
Over the course of how many years?
And that is Gross, before paying all of the various taxes, managers and fees.

Not a lot of money when you consider the dollar amounts at stake in todays music industry.
APLMAN99 wrote:
3 years, and if she'd been paying taxes then she wouldn't have had to plead guilty to evasion..... Even with 10% out for agent fees, that's...
3 years, and if she'd been paying taxes then she wouldn't have had to plead guilty to evasion.....

Even with 10% out for agent fees, that's $360K per year, on average. For someone who was laying low, staying out of the celebrity life, that's a boatload of money. Even if she'd paid the taxes, she'd have had over $200K to live on each year.

Not turning out new material is no excuse for not paying taxes on the income you do receive, and her income was substantial for someone desiring a simple life....
7I3N wrote:
So what’s your point? Do you think her whole story is just a bunch of BS to justify her not paying her taxes on time?
I would consider it curious that now she has pleaded guilty she is no longer afraid and is right back on the concert stage.
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3 years, and if she'd been paying taxes then she wouldn't have had to plead guilty to evasion..... Even with 10% out for agent fees, that's...
3 years, and if she'd been paying taxes then she wouldn't have had to plead guilty to evasion.....

Even with 10% out for agent fees, that's $360K per year, on average. For someone who was laying low, staying out of the celebrity life, that's a boatload of money. Even if she'd paid the taxes, she'd have had over $200K to live on each year.

Not turning out new material is no excuse for not paying taxes on the income you do receive, and her income was substantial for someone desiring a simple life....
7I3N wrote:
So what’s your point? Do you think her whole story is just a bunch of BS to justify her not paying her taxes on time?
426Hemi wrote:
I would consider it curious that now she has pleaded guilty she is no longer afraid and is right back on the concert stage.
Do you always pay your taxes? If so, why?
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3 years, and if she'd been paying taxes then she wouldn't have had to plead guilty to evasion..... Even with 10% out for agent fees, that's...
3 years, and if she'd been paying taxes then she wouldn't have had to plead guilty to evasion.....

Even with 10% out for agent fees, that's $360K per year, on average. For someone who was laying low, staying out of the celebrity life, that's a boatload of money. Even if she'd paid the taxes, she'd have had over $200K to live on each year.

Not turning out new material is no excuse for not paying taxes on the income you do receive, and her income was substantial for someone desiring a simple life....
10%.......LMAO!!!
Try 6-9% for the booking agent.....10% for the manager........10% for the lawyer.

This was about more than taxes dude and you don't seem to understand that.
This was about getting free from a system that she felt was smothering her.

Have you ever sat in room and negotiated with a record company?
I have and I've also seen a few friends in the business get royally screwed if you haven't you won't understand.
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APLMAN99 wrote:
3 years, and if she'd been paying taxes then she wouldn't have had to plead guilty to evasion..... Even with 10% out for agent fees, that's...
3 years, and if she'd been paying taxes then she wouldn't have had to plead guilty to evasion.....

Even with 10% out for agent fees, that's $360K per year, on average. For someone who was laying low, staying out of the celebrity life, that's a boatload of money. Even if she'd paid the taxes, she'd have had over $200K to live on each year.

Not turning out new material is no excuse for not paying taxes on the income you do receive, and her income was substantial for someone desiring a simple life....
jndmx wrote:
10%.......LMAO!!! Try 6-9% for the booking agent.....10% for the manager........10% for the lawyer. This was about more than taxes dude and you don't seem to understand...
10%.......LMAO!!!
Try 6-9% for the booking agent.....10% for the manager........10% for the lawyer.

This was about more than taxes dude and you don't seem to understand that.
This was about getting free from a system that she felt was smothering her.

Have you ever sat in room and negotiated with a record company?
I have and I've also seen a few friends in the business get royally screwed if you haven't you won't understand.
I'm not really interested in the record industry issue. Nothing about her "struggles" justify her tax evasion. She made plenty of money during that time.

I'm not sure why she'd be paying a booking agent if she isn't working. The money she made during that time looks to be royalties, not show income.

And I think I got my math a bit wrong the first time around. $600K per year minus 20% (agent and attorney) would still leave her $480K before taxes, which she wasn't paying. After taxes she'd still have been clearing over $300K.

Being pissed off at whoever you signed a contract with really isn't a good reason to stop paying taxes.
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I'm not really interested in the record industry issue. Nothing about her "struggles" justify her tax evasion. She made plenty of money during that time. I'm...
I'm not really interested in the record industry issue. Nothing about her "struggles" justify her tax evasion. She made plenty of money during that time.

I'm not sure why she'd be paying a booking agent if she isn't working. The money she made during that time looks to be royalties, not show income.

And I think I got my math a bit wrong the first time around. $600K per year minus 20% (agent and attorney) would still leave her $480K before taxes, which she wasn't paying. After taxes she'd still have been clearing over $300K.

Being pissed off at whoever you signed a contract with really isn't a good reason to stop paying taxes.
You clearly don't understand how the process works or what the real issue here is.
Maybe you have never taken a stand because of your principals or conscience so there is really no way to make you understand.

If you want to know why agents would have to be paid despite the fact that "she isn't working" look up the word retainer.
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jndmx wrote:
Let me try to explain this for you........ The music business controls the output of any artist that participates in that industry. Up until very recently...
Let me try to explain this for you........

The music business controls the output of any artist that participates in that industry.
Up until very recently you didn't have a choice but to play their game by their rules.......otherwise no one would ever hear your music.
The music industry effectively held a gun to your head when you signed a contract......it's either this or nothing.
Independent releases were small change until the internet gave every band a direct line to their fans.
Ask yourself why the recording industry is suing the pants off everyone in sight over internet rights......
Because they are losing the giant stream of revenue that only they could handle previously.

Nobody forced her to be a musician but they damn sure did force her to play by their rules or else.
The music business grinds up and spits out anyone that doesn't play the game.

Lauren Hill was put into a position where she had to make a choice to either stay in that restrictive system or go underground to get away from it.

It was a neccesary period of time that she didn't earn any money for her record label and as such didn't pay taxes.
Now that they are able to work her out of the restrictive contract she was in Lauren has made arrangements to pay her back taxes with the full admission that she should do so and the explanation about why the payment was delayed.
Ok, so she wanted to get away from the restrictive system. I have a few questions and am trying to understand this.


Does her "going underground" absolve her from contractual duties? How does that differ than simply her refusing to do anything for the recording label?

Did she collect any revenue/salary during those years?
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I'm not really interested in the record industry issue. Nothing about her "struggles" justify her tax evasion. She made plenty of money during that time. I'm...
I'm not really interested in the record industry issue. Nothing about her "struggles" justify her tax evasion. She made plenty of money during that time.

I'm not sure why she'd be paying a booking agent if she isn't working. The money she made during that time looks to be royalties, not show income.

And I think I got my math a bit wrong the first time around. $600K per year minus 20% (agent and attorney) would still leave her $480K before taxes, which she wasn't paying. After taxes she'd still have been clearing over $300K.

Being pissed off at whoever you signed a contract with really isn't a good reason to stop paying taxes.
Why does it put your knickers in a knot if someone else doesn't pay their taxes? They are the ones that have to face the consequences. Are you on welfare and afraid it will impact your quality of life?
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Ok, so she wanted to get away from the restrictive system. I have a few questions and am trying to understand this. Does her "going underground"...
Ok, so she wanted to get away from the restrictive system. I have a few questions and am trying to understand this.


Does her "going underground" absolve her from contractual duties? How does that differ than simply her refusing to do anything for the recording label?

Did she collect any revenue/salary during those years?
Without knowing the particulars I can't be sure but I would think that there must have been a "non-performance" clause of some type.
She has probably forfeited a large amount of cash in future revenue to her record label over this in order to be released.

There is no salary but she would have still accrued royalties on past works that would bring in the income in question.
That is the amount that she settled with the government over.
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Ok, so she wanted to get away from the restrictive system. I have a few questions and am trying to understand this. Does her "going underground"...
Ok, so she wanted to get away from the restrictive system. I have a few questions and am trying to understand this.


Does her "going underground" absolve her from contractual duties? How does that differ than simply her refusing to do anything for the recording label?

Did she collect any revenue/salary during those years?
jndmx wrote:
Without knowing the particulars I can't be sure but I would think that there must have been a "non-performance" clause of some type. She has probably...
Without knowing the particulars I can't be sure but I would think that there must have been a "non-performance" clause of some type.
She has probably forfeited a large amount of cash in future revenue to her record label over this in order to be released.

There is no salary but she would have still accrued royalties on past works that would bring in the income in question.
That is the amount that she settled with the government over.
Ok, thanks for answering that. So, my question is if you're going to be losing your ass because you went "underground" and violated a non-performance clause, why bother going underground at all? Why not just dig your heels in and say, "I'm not going to be making any music for you anymore because I don't agree with your corporate policies" ?

I get it that there are issues in the music industry. I'm not fighting that. But, what she did really doesn't explain why she couldn't have her business team pay her taxes. Maybe I'm just not getting it.

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