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Edited Date/Time 4/30/2012 1:48pm
http://www.institutequarterly.com/IQ-ISSUE04-article-01.html
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The Forward Hoop - Why not just run an F16 windscreen like they do in boat drags


At first glance it looks like an unremarkable roll-hoop structure from an ordinary racing car, and somewhat out of place fixed to a metal plate and resting on the concrete here at a remote airfield in Suffolk, England. Only the imposing mechanised structure – essentially a huge cannon powered by compressed nitrogen – looming over it with a Formula One wheel and tyre attached, the whole immense assembly directed threateningly towards the roll-hoop, hints at the significance of this seemingly unremarkable little titanium fabrication.

It's an everyday part of motor racing, of course, with recognisable equivalents in all single-seaters from the most humble junior classes to Formula One, but its importance lies not in its design, but how and where it would be mounted on a car.

Meet the forward roll-hoop – the latest step in the FIA Institute's meticulous research into improved cockpit protection for Formula One and other open-wheel single-seater drivers.

Shielding their heads from debris and impacts is now, arguably, the most critical area in single-seater safety research. The increase in cockpit side protection in the 1990s marked a substantial stride forward, but the life-threatening injuries suffered by Ferrari driver Felipe Massa in qualifying for the 2009 Hungarian Grand Prix (when a 1kg suspension spring from the car ahead came loose and struck his helmet just above his eye), and the tragic death of young British driver Henry Surtees in a Formula Two race that same summer, highlighted the potentially horrific effects that flying debris can still have.

While the two incidents could easily be dismissed as completely freakish, the FIA and Formula One were certain that lessons could and should be learned. So those accidents led to a renewed push for better head protection, and even raised questions about whether fundamental changes were necessary to what has always been an open-cockpit branch of motor sport.

Led by FIA Institute technical adviser Andy Mellor, the previous round of cockpit protection research tests in 2011 saw a 20kg F1 wheel and tyre assembly fired at 225km/h into, first, a 30mm polycarbonate windshield, and then into a jet fighter canopy (see IQ issue 2). While the windshield deflected the wheel but shattered in the process, the aerospace canopy flexed but resisted the impact, diverting the wheel away more convincingly.

In the latest evaluation, the same impact test was carried out on a titanium roll-hoop structure manufactured and supplied by the Lotus F1 team. The roll-hoop could theoretically be fitted to a car from the front edge of the cockpit opening to the point where the nose section meets the front bulkhead,with a peak height 100mm above the top of the helmet, so forming an impact-deflecting barrier ahead of the driver.

Mellor confirmed that the initial results were very promising: "The roll-hoop basically did a very good job. It was able to keep a wheel away from a driver's head. We tested it both by firing the wheel down the centre of the car, and also coming at it from an angle."

Another positive outcome of the test was the rollhoop structure's effect on the tyre, the FIA Institute understandably not being keen just to see how well the device resisted the flying object, but where and how the wheel was deflected afterwards.

"The impact deflated the tyre during both tests," said Mellor. "We tend to think that's a good thing – it means that the wheel doesn't bounce as much. It stops much more quickly if you can deflate the tyre."

Another key area of the process was striking a balance between head protection and visibility, since forward-mounted structures designed to protect drivers' heads might also dangerously impede sightlines. During the forward roll-hoop test, a helmet was placed in the position that a driver's head would occupy relative to the structure.
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4/26/2012 9:26am
I completely agree - a high strength full coverage canopy would work much better. A roll cage would work in the case of a flying tyre, but in one of the examples they use to justify the rollcage where the spring hit Massa, would a cage really stop that? A spring could still make it through the cage, as would other flying parts like the lug nut, bolts, shafts, etc. Plus, how much safety are you removing by blocking the driver's line of sight?
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4/26/2012 10:06am
TriRacer27 wrote:
I completely agree - a high strength full coverage canopy would work much better. A roll cage would work in the case of a flying tyre...
I completely agree - a high strength full coverage canopy would work much better. A roll cage would work in the case of a flying tyre, but in one of the examples they use to justify the rollcage where the spring hit Massa, would a cage really stop that? A spring could still make it through the cage, as would other flying parts like the lug nut, bolts, shafts, etc. Plus, how much safety are you removing by blocking the driver's line of sight?
The problem with a full-coverage canopy is that the drivers would cook in the cockpit.

I suppose they could get rid of the KERS and replace it with an AC pump...
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4/26/2012 12:39pm
...and you think the fans/media went apeshit over how ugly the step down noses are this year? wait till they put a cage in front of the driver Woohoo
4/26/2012 1:39pm
Why not remove the driver from the pit all together and drive by remote? More than capable of making this happen at this point in the game...

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4/27/2012 8:54pm
Here's what a chicken does to an F-16 canopy. This strike would have killed the pilot.
I realize the speeds are much different, but so is the weight.



well, I can't embed apparently. http://youtu.be/ibJ3aXrvaCs
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4/27/2012 10:19pm
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Here's what a chicken does to an F-16 canopy. This strike would have killed the pilot. I realize the speeds are much different, but so is...
Here's what a chicken does to an F-16 canopy. This strike would have killed the pilot.
I realize the speeds are much different, but so is the weight.



well, I can't embed apparently. http://youtu.be/ibJ3aXrvaCs
Mmmmm, Chicken Mc Nuggets!!

4/27/2012 11:08pm
They use enclosed canopies in LeMans cars that go faster than F1 cars, and the drivers are in there for much much longer than F1 drivers. If necessary, put a vent system in there.

What would happen if they had a completely enclosed CF shell for the drivers and used cameras and video screens inside to project where they are going? Would be safer and it would be awesome in rainy races where they could switch to infrared or some other enhanced imaging to see the cars in front of them.
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4/28/2012 12:53am
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Here's what a chicken does to an F-16 canopy. This strike would have killed the pilot. I realize the speeds are much different, but so is...
Here's what a chicken does to an F-16 canopy. This strike would have killed the pilot.
I realize the speeds are much different, but so is the weight.



well, I can't embed apparently. http://youtu.be/ibJ3aXrvaCs
motogeezer wrote:
Mmmmm, Chicken Mc Nuggets!!

Much abliged, John.
I got the opportunity to watch one of these tests. A very good friend of mine is an engineer there at the fighter factory, and I worked on the tools used to cut holes in the fuselage where the canopy mounts. I had nothing to do with design, but it got me in to watch the test. They were having problems with the fasteners blowing out at the rearmost edge. It worked like the time in college when the fat chick you brought home jumped on your non baffled waterbed, and it launched you into the ceiling.

Cool shit...Oh, no Mcnuggets, Mc chicken shake maybe.
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4/28/2012 6:40am
TriRacer27 wrote:
They use enclosed canopies in LeMans cars that go faster than F1 cars, and the drivers are in there for much much longer than F1 drivers...
They use enclosed canopies in LeMans cars that go faster than F1 cars, and the drivers are in there for much much longer than F1 drivers. If necessary, put a vent system in there.

What would happen if they had a completely enclosed CF shell for the drivers and used cameras and video screens inside to project where they are going? Would be safer and it would be awesome in rainy races where they could switch to infrared or some other enhanced imaging to see the cars in front of them.
I think the next step beyond that would be to hold the races inside GameWorks......

I think they can only handle 8 racers at a time, though.......
4/28/2012 8:23am
Still doesn't protect the fans. They should require that all suspension arms are made of steel instead of carbon fibre, which shatters like glass at the slightest hit. F1 is as exciting as watching paint dry anyway.
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4/28/2012 8:50am
unknownmxr wrote:
Still doesn't protect the fans. They should require that all suspension arms are made of steel instead of carbon fibre, which shatters like glass at the...
Still doesn't protect the fans. They should require that all suspension arms are made of steel instead of carbon fibre, which shatters like glass at the slightest hit. F1 is as exciting as watching paint dry anyway.
If you don't think it's exciting you haven't watched the last 2 races. Not sure if it's the changes to the rules on the cars or Pirelli making crap tires, but the races have been extremely exciting.
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4/30/2012 11:42am
@PortalF1: A Spanish newspaper reports that Mark Webber has signed a pre-contract to drive for Ferrari in 2013, replacing Felipe Massa at the team. #F1
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4/30/2012 1:28pm
And not Sergio Pérez? Pérez has stated he is going to stay with Sauber for the end of the year, but there has been many vocal talks of him moving to Ferrari, being sauber is getting engines from Ferrari. Furthermore is Webber going to play second fiddle to Alonso after dealing with it at Redbull?

Methinks the Spanish are out partying a little too much.

Great scoop though Eddie, I am going to check this out. I would love to see Webber in Red.
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4/30/2012 1:48pm
From autoracing1.com's rumours section. I am sure Alonso will decide on who his team mate will be, and Perez might be too big a threat for him, so I can see this happening.

Webber back on Ferrari's radar
Mark Webber Ferrari bound?
(GMM) Mark Webber might have signed a pre-contractual agreement with Ferrari, one of Spain's leading F1 correspondents has revealed.

Raymond Blancafort, writing for El Mundo Deportivo, referred to widespread speculation in the paddock about Sergio Perez's likely future alongside Fernando Alonso.

"There may be a pre-contract," he said, "but between Ferrari and Webber."

Australian Webber was also linked with Ferrari last year, before Red Bull decided to sign him up for another single season.

The 35-year-old was overshadowed by his teammate Sebastian Vettel last year, but he has begun the 2012 season more strongly.

And Webber warned before the 2012 season began that if Red Bull didn't re-sign him for 2013, "I'd need something (else) competitive (to drive)".

"Being at the front, is certainly a big, big factor of me staying very hungry and motivated."

Ferrari may be looking to replace Alonso's current teammate, the struggling team veteran Felipe Massa, for 2013.

"They (Ferrari) would be able to take advantage of his (Webber's) experience, the consistency of his results and the fact that he gets along with Alonso.

"Interestingly, Webber is also still involved with Flavio Briatore", as is Alonso, Blancafort noted.

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