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fader418 4/25/2012 12:25pm
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Hope that KTM is as good as the other 2 bikes. If BB rides like he can its gonna be a long summer for everyone else
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burn1986 4/25/2012 12:28pm
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I'm not betting against Roc and Musquin, but Wilson will be my best bet (if he doesn't need a shoulder surgery). Baggett and Durham also. Even so, If Roczen and Musquin get a taste of winning, though, it could be a runaway.
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layinbody31 4/25/2012 1:39pm
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Sherwood wrote:
Didn't Barcia podium on a 450 outdoors?
NoGo wrote:
hes being paid to win 250 championships. and has gotten 1 overall in 3 full seasons. good 450 results when the other top 3 rider(reed) was...
hes being paid to win 250 championships. and has gotten 1 overall in 3 full seasons. good 450 results when the other top 3 rider(reed) was riding injured and the gap between 3rd and 4th is huge. on top of the dungey and rv caught passed and gapped him almost every moto they were in together except that mud moto at southwick.. i really dont want to get into woulda, coulda, shoulda. but he would not have finished top3 at the start of last years 450 season before reed had his huge get off. and next year when he actually rides 450 outdoors wilson will move up aswell and he has nothing for wilson outdoors.
Ummmmm... RD had a hell of a time getting around Barcia at Unadilla last year. Didn't make the pass until the last lap in Moto 2 and almost that late in the race in Moto 1.

Barcia was definitely a top 5 if not top 3 contender in the 450s last year, and with the decimated field this year he would be a championship contender
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NoGo 4/25/2012 1:55pm
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Ummmmm... RD had a hell of a time getting around Barcia at Unadilla last year. Didn't make the pass until the last lap in Moto 2...
Ummmmm... RD had a hell of a time getting around Barcia at Unadilla last year. Didn't make the pass until the last lap in Moto 2 and almost that late in the race in Moto 1.

Barcia was definitely a top 5 if not top 3 contender in the 450s last year, and with the decimated field this year he would be a championship contender
in the end he still got passed. is that not right? i said he was top 5 already. in a healthy class he is not top 3. if he cant contend for a championship in the 250 class thats not goint to change in a weak 450 class.

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layinbody31 4/26/2012 8:39am
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Ummmmm... RD had a hell of a time getting around Barcia at Unadilla last year. Didn't make the pass until the last lap in Moto 2...
Ummmmm... RD had a hell of a time getting around Barcia at Unadilla last year. Didn't make the pass until the last lap in Moto 2 and almost that late in the race in Moto 1.

Barcia was definitely a top 5 if not top 3 contender in the 450s last year, and with the decimated field this year he would be a championship contender
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in the end he still got passed. is that not right? i said he was top 5 already. in a healthy class he is not top...
in the end he still got passed. is that not right? i said he was top 5 already. in a healthy class he is not top 3. if he cant contend for a championship in the 250 class thats not goint to change in a weak 450 class.
In a healthy 2013 I would expect Barcia to be top 3 in a good majority of the races on a 450.

Just because he didn't contend much in the 250 class doesn't mean much, he was an animal on the 450. Some bikes just suit some riders better than others. For Barcia, Supercross is what he's good at. Outdoors, it seems the 450 suits him better than the 250
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mxRob 4/26/2012 10:48am
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What about the only winning guy that wasn't a pc boy last year?
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NoGo 4/26/2012 10:58am
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layinbody31 wrote:
In a healthy 2013 I would expect Barcia to be top 3 in a good majority of the races on a 450. Just because he didn't...
In a healthy 2013 I would expect Barcia to be top 3 in a good majority of the races on a 450.

Just because he didn't contend much in the 250 class doesn't mean much, he was an animal on the 450. Some bikes just suit some riders better than others. For Barcia, Supercross is what he's good at. Outdoors, it seems the 450 suits him better than the 250
history speaks for itself. if you cant contend on a 250 you wont on a 450. i don't know much about the past but name one rider in the last 12 years who won a 450 national championship or SX championship and hasn't also won a 250 national championship not regional , NATIONAL.
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Freddy 4/26/2012 11:01am
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So can this be the year when KTM wins mx2 mx1 250 and 450 outdoors? Tongue
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NoGo 4/26/2012 11:02am
4/26/2012 11:02am Edited Date/Time 4/26/2012 11:04am
mxRob wrote:
What about the only winning guy that wasn't a pc boy last year?
swanepoel.i think hes on a 450 now. but i could be wrong.

edit:his still on a 250. havent heard much about him this season
FireCrotchOnFire 4/26/2012 11:03am
4/26/2012 11:03am
I think Durham will be a title contender. Last year he was running up there on the Eleven10 Mods bike. He definitely going to mob on the pc bike.
FlickitFlat 4/26/2012 11:33am
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layinbody31 wrote:
In a healthy 2013 I would expect Barcia to be top 3 in a good majority of the races on a 450. Just because he didn't...
In a healthy 2013 I would expect Barcia to be top 3 in a good majority of the races on a 450.

Just because he didn't contend much in the 250 class doesn't mean much, he was an animal on the 450. Some bikes just suit some riders better than others. For Barcia, Supercross is what he's good at. Outdoors, it seems the 450 suits him better than the 250
NoGo wrote:
history speaks for itself. if you cant contend on a 250 you wont on a 450. i don't know much about the past but name one...
history speaks for itself. if you cant contend on a 250 you wont on a 450. i don't know much about the past but name one rider in the last 12 years who won a 450 national championship or SX championship and hasn't also won a 250 national championship not regional , NATIONAL.
Chad Reed
FlickitFlat 4/26/2012 11:34am
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layinbody31 wrote:
Ummmmm... RD had a hell of a time getting around Barcia at Unadilla last year. Didn't make the pass until the last lap in Moto 2...
Ummmmm... RD had a hell of a time getting around Barcia at Unadilla last year. Didn't make the pass until the last lap in Moto 2 and almost that late in the race in Moto 1.

Barcia was definitely a top 5 if not top 3 contender in the 450s last year, and with the decimated field this year he would be a championship contender
NoGo wrote:
in the end he still got passed. is that not right? i said he was top 5 already. in a healthy class he is not top...
in the end he still got passed. is that not right? i said he was top 5 already. in a healthy class he is not top 3. if he cant contend for a championship in the 250 class thats not goint to change in a weak 450 class.
layinbody31 wrote:
In a healthy 2013 I would expect Barcia to be top 3 in a good majority of the races on a 450. Just because he didn't...
In a healthy 2013 I would expect Barcia to be top 3 in a good majority of the races on a 450.

Just because he didn't contend much in the 250 class doesn't mean much, he was an animal on the 450. Some bikes just suit some riders better than others. For Barcia, Supercross is what he's good at. Outdoors, it seems the 450 suits him better than the 250
Logic doesn't work here.
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NoGo 4/26/2012 11:38am
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Chad Reed
he only raced one season on a small bike.
FlickitFlat 4/26/2012 11:41am
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He didn't win. Didn't he even down to compete?
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NoGo 4/26/2012 11:46am
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FlickitFlat wrote:
He didn't win. Didn't he even down to compete?
he finished third and won an overall. i imagine things only would have improved if he'd done the same class the following year.
barcia has one overall in 3 seasons now. and has never contended for a title outdoors. there aren't even any what if situations where he could have been on top.
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layinbody31 4/26/2012 11:57am
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layinbody31 wrote:
In a healthy 2013 I would expect Barcia to be top 3 in a good majority of the races on a 450. Just because he didn't...
In a healthy 2013 I would expect Barcia to be top 3 in a good majority of the races on a 450.

Just because he didn't contend much in the 250 class doesn't mean much, he was an animal on the 450. Some bikes just suit some riders better than others. For Barcia, Supercross is what he's good at. Outdoors, it seems the 450 suits him better than the 250
NoGo wrote:
history speaks for itself. if you cant contend on a 250 you wont on a 450. i don't know much about the past but name one...
history speaks for itself. if you cant contend on a 250 you wont on a 450. i don't know much about the past but name one rider in the last 12 years who won a 450 national championship or SX championship and hasn't also won a 250 national championship not regional , NATIONAL.
Chad Reed

*edit* flickitflat beat me to it
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layinbody31 4/26/2012 11:59am
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FlickitFlat wrote:
He didn't win. Didn't he even down to compete?
NoGo wrote:
he finished third and won an overall. i imagine things only would have improved if he'd done the same class the following year. barcia has one...
he finished third and won an overall. i imagine things only would have improved if he'd done the same class the following year.
barcia has one overall in 3 seasons now. and has never contended for a title outdoors. there aren't even any what if situations where he could have been on top.
I guess this is the determining season to see if Barcia will be an outdoor threat or not then
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lucero10x 4/26/2012 1:21pm
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FlickitFlat wrote:
He didn't win. Didn't he even down to compete?
NoGo wrote:
he finished third and won an overall. i imagine things only would have improved if he'd done the same class the following year. barcia has one...
he finished third and won an overall. i imagine things only would have improved if he'd done the same class the following year.
barcia has one overall in 3 seasons now. and has never contended for a title outdoors. there aren't even any what if situations where he could have been on top.
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I guess this is the determining season to see if Barcia will be an outdoor threat or not then
on a 250f? I foresee another implosion.

Tomac has seemed to somewhat fix his biggest problem, starts.

Truthfully, though, I think it will be between the orange, red and green bikes of Roczen, Tomac, Ratters, DeanO (if he can start healthy based on his shoulder) and the Chupahoweverthehellyouspellit. It's going to be an issue of who has the least amount of bad starts.

I just like Roczen's youthful exuberance, extremely buttery smooth, hot dang fast riding style combined with 2 GP titles. Kid has got the tools to win. He will surely be tested with having to learn new tracks and deal with some brutal heat. Not to mention a STACKED class.

Bam Bam has the pedigree and rightfully should win the outdoors, I just can't trust his consistency based on the past couple years.

I don't think Musquin is aggressive enough to get it done, in the US, outdoors. I def want to see him prove me wrong, though.

I would love to see DD kick ass, but his fitness seemed off a bit, last year.

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MrMx111 4/26/2012 1:32pm
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In regards to Barcia and Tomac. Fair enough they did not always get good starts last year MX, but they had a few good starts and still got smoked by the PC boys, why would that change this year? Last year they did good SX but lacked pace outdoors, I see the same thing happening this year. Musquin and Roczen will break up the PC winning, Musquin comes in healthy after a good SX season and has ridden most of the tracks last year, I tbink he is going to be faster than last year. And we know Roczen is fast, see Thunder Valley 2010 MXDN for reference, as well as 2011.
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layinbody31 4/26/2012 1:55pm
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Didn't Bogle do pretty darn well in the few 250 races he raced in last year?

*edit* I just looked and he got a 4th in Moto 2 at Southwick and a 2th in Moto 2 at Pala. He could be up there with the main group, especially with a whole year of SX under his belt
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NoGo 4/26/2012 3:05pm
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lucero10x wrote:
on a 250f? I foresee another implosion. Tomac has seemed to somewhat fix his biggest problem, starts. Truthfully, though, I think it will be between the...
on a 250f? I foresee another implosion.

Tomac has seemed to somewhat fix his biggest problem, starts.

Truthfully, though, I think it will be between the orange, red and green bikes of Roczen, Tomac, Ratters, DeanO (if he can start healthy based on his shoulder) and the Chupahoweverthehellyouspellit. It's going to be an issue of who has the least amount of bad starts.

I just like Roczen's youthful exuberance, extremely buttery smooth, hot dang fast riding style combined with 2 GP titles. Kid has got the tools to win. He will surely be tested with having to learn new tracks and deal with some brutal heat. Not to mention a STACKED class.

Bam Bam has the pedigree and rightfully should win the outdoors, I just can't trust his consistency based on the past couple years.

I don't think Musquin is aggressive enough to get it done, in the US, outdoors. I def want to see him prove me wrong, though.

I would love to see DD kick ass, but his fitness seemed off a bit, last year.
Barcia really doesn't have a pedigree. and he shouldn't rightfully win the outdoors. Its not like he ever got cheated out of a championship like some feel pourcel was 2 years in a row. He is good indoors which is why he has his 2 regional titles. He gets starts, but in the end he gets ran down. And he can't move through the pack, which is something you need to do on a bad day to salvage points.

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