Let's talk about the season so far...

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Edited Date/Time 3/20/2012 11:15pm
... Since it's all but over. I know, I know.... it's not over until the fat lady sings - but every week that this thing has gone on my interest has taken a significant dip and RV's point lead has grown. So, in this thread I'm going to break down the players and the field and I hope to hear some of your thoughts as well.

The Tracks:
Overall, I've been really please with the track design this year. They've gradually progressed into more technical tracks and I am "super pumped" that the lap times have been > 50 seconds for the most part. Whether or not they're using every square inch of the stadium or not, the laps have been nice and long and the guys at Dirt Wurx have really been putting some imagination into the tracks. There have been a couple of one-liners, but I'm not convinced that that's avoidable in SX.

The thing that has surprised me the most about the tracks so far is the traction - or lack there of. Looking at the blue grooved tracks of yester-year, it's hard to imagine that the beautifully manicured tracks we've seen this year seem to have worse traction (either that or the riders are complaining more). I think the only race this year that we haven't heard a rider say "Man, it was slick out there" was Daytona! Is it the loam on top that gives way to the slick stuff underneath that makes these tracks so slick and deceptive?

The Riders:
Ryan Villopoto - What can you say? The man has carried every ounce of momentum that he earned in '11 into the '12 season. Week in and week out he's been the best. He seems to minimize the mistakes, and attack the track like others can't seem to. He's showing the patience and wisdom of a polished veteran - knowing when to push it and when to back it down. I believe it was Weege that wrote an article that explains why nobody seems to be talking about RV, and it's the same reason he's probably going to get the shortest blurb in this post - he's just not doing anything wrong. He's doing it all right much like he was anticipated to do so.

Ryan Dungey - I'll be the first to admit that I was dead wrong about the Dunge before the season started. I thought he was going from arguably the best bike in the field to the least proven (not necessarily the worst) bike and would have some serious growing pains. Ryan's ridden just as well as he ever has and I couldn't believe how quickly he grabbed KTM's first SX win. I have found it interesting how he's gotten aggressive with Weimer and hasn't touched anybody else, but I guess he has to start somewhere. It's a real shame that he went out with such a minor injury as he was really starting to hit his stride.

James Stewart - It used to be said "You can never bet against James Stewart," and I used to be in 100% agreement. This season has completely cured me of that. It's gotten to the point where I'm thinking "You can't ever bet on that guy." I don't believe that 100% of the blame lies with the bike, but I certainly think the bike has about 90% to do with it. For those of you that will, undoubtedly, come in here preaching Davi or some local yocal - great - the bike works for them, but it clearly doesn't work for Stewart. This is the man that went toe to toe with the GOAT and came out on top quite a few times. He's always had a bit of a crashing streak in him, but he's NEVER crashed this frequently. Think about the championship chase in '09 - he decimated Chad Reed with CONSISTENCY! Chad rode better in '09 than he had his whole career up until this year. I'm afraid that James has dug his own grave by signing with this bike for the next three years and it's been sad and disappointing to see someone who could have (and likely should have) challenged MC's win total struggle so much.

Chad Reed - Chad just steps it up. The guy was a total animal this year and I have to admit I was pulling for him to win the title. In '08 you'd be hard pressed to find someone who disliked Chad Reed more than I did, and now I'm a fan. He's completely turned around as far as how he interacts with his fans and the media. Much like Kevin Windham, I think the older he's getting the more he realizes he just needs to enjoy what he's doing. He had his bike dialed and was the only one who was able to hunt RV down when he was out front trying to check out. I believe the loss of Chad Reed dealt the biggest blow to the series, as he was the only one that was racing with RV week in and week out. That's not to discredit any of the other major competitors, but James couldn't keep it on two wheels, and Dungey either checked out and won, or struggled to make it through the pack - he never seemed to be able to battle from a mediocre start to a win like the other guys could.


I'll add more when I have a chance, but for now, let's hear your thoughts!
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3/20/2012 9:40am
I pretty much agree with everything you wrote. Especially the Bubba sentiments.

But I disagree slightly with the Dungey speak. I think they have endured growing pains. Its just that there is no better rider to be doing the job he is doing for KTM than Ryan Dungey. He's made it look like everything was smooth. But I believe that behind the scenes there has been a ton of work and challenges. He's just made it look easy.
3/20/2012 9:49am
My opinion:
Even if CR or RD had stayed in the outcome would likely not have been any different come the end of the year, JS7 ain't done but he was never taking the title from RV this year either - he has had some shitty luck and made some "human" errors and it's all come at once, this is opposed to the Villo who has just simply owned it, he came in to 2012 like a champ and will leave like a champ - the rest need to step up plain and simple.

the tracks are radical this year IMO and I am lovin SX in 2012 even if we don't have the major all out war we had hoped for.

the battle and interest is now with places 2-7 in my eyes, when you look at the score sheets its getting very interesting and i am lovin the fact that Millsaps, Brayton, Metty and now Alessi are really getting it together - i would really like 800 to get a podium. I think JB can get a good run @ being number 2 this year unless JS7 has a change in luck.

Had a serious dislike for number 100 before this year, the H&H team has really done him good though and i must admit i was a bit gutted for him as he was having a great season, wish that the rest of the team would get back - I miss Tedesco's riding.

My main gripe is JG33 - I hoped for more - he will bring it no doubt and i cannot wait for that to begin.

lites - wild from start to finish - YESSSSSS!!!
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3/20/2012 9:54am
Nice breakdown of the season so far.

Where you see a lot of the visibly slick stuff is in areas where there's heavy throttle application...coming out of turns, or right before triples. Here are a couple samples.



3/20/2012 10:09am
Wasn't it Emig that said that ALL of the tracks use dirt mixed with lard, to keep the dust down?

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3/20/2012 10:13am
Wasn't it Emig that said that ALL of the tracks use dirt mixed with lard, to keep the dust down?
Can't say I've ever heard that one...though I don't watch all the races.

Have trouble believing that, though. At a few of the press days this year (both the Anaheims and San Diego), and a couple practices (Oakland, for example) there was plenty of dust.
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3/20/2012 10:14am Edited Date/Time 3/20/2012 10:14am
Lard? Really?
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3/20/2012 10:18am
Wasn't it Emig that said that ALL of the tracks use dirt mixed with lard, to keep the dust down?
I can't believe that... It would take SO much 'lard' to mix in with the dirt. Maybe they used too much at Daytona?
3/20/2012 10:36am
It's not as far-fetched as you might think. Before the EPA put a stop to it, counties routinely sprayed oil (lard is a solidified fat) onto dirt roads to keep down the dust. It didn't prevent it all, but made life less dirty for people living on dirt roads.

As for infusing SX dirt with the stuff.. not hard.. all it takes is an industrial sized mixer, an excavator and dozer working at the storage site for a few days. I'm sure it would be possible to get lard chipped up into smaller flakes which would make mixing it in easier.

I'm surprised nobody else heard that on the broadcast. As for daytona, it's an outdoor track.. plenty easy to spray it down with water trucks.
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3/20/2012 10:37am
It's not as far-fetched as you might think. Before the EPA put a stop to it, counties routinely sprayed oil (lard is a solidified fat) onto...
It's not as far-fetched as you might think. Before the EPA put a stop to it, counties routinely sprayed oil (lard is a solidified fat) onto dirt roads to keep down the dust. It didn't prevent it all, but made life less dirty for people living on dirt roads.

As for infusing SX dirt with the stuff.. not hard.. all it takes is an industrial sized mixer, an excavator and dozer working at the storage site for a few days. I'm sure it would be possible to get lard chipped up into smaller flakes which would make mixing it in easier.

I'm surprised nobody else heard that on the broadcast. As for daytona, it's an outdoor track.. plenty easy to spray it down with water trucks.
Or just call in a few torrential downpours. That kept the dust way down at Daytona this year. Wink
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3/20/2012 11:22am Edited Date/Time 3/20/2012 11:24am
JGR didnt test on hard pack and that blows me away...but man I am stoked to see JS7 go outdoors!

Its been a good season but the injurys are really putting a damper on it

Cant forget about the lites...

Tomac!... Wow that kid came out swingin!!
Barcia...how about that mud race? He made Daytona his bitch
Deano...Kid looks good just has to cut the mistakes out...Go Deano!
Bagget...Not really flowing like last year hopefully he turns it around outdoors
Wharton...How does he go so fast sitting down all the time? I love that hes getting more aggressive
Roczen...Really thought he had more for supercross, he should stick around in the us and forget MXwhatever
Durham...Happy dude that is riding solid, gotta love that
Bowers...It will be nice to see him in a full season next year hes picking up momentum
R Sipes...Missin that dude hope he comes back hot
Seely...He seems to stay under the radar but up front, like his style
Musquin...has been the surprise of the year for me, solid rides
and how about Justin Bogle!!!?? The speed is there just has to work the bugs out, hes for real

I think the tracks have been awesome...seems like everyweek guys are on here trying to guess lines then dirtwurx is throwing a mix into it somewhere and I like that.

One negative thing i will have to say is Jeff Emig was my guy when he raced and listening to him every week is making my man crush deminish...lol. Is it just me or does Jeff LOVE some Jeff?
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3/20/2012 11:30am
Oh and at this point they should offer Villi a $25,000 bonus every race for starting on a second row! Bet he would still win
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3/20/2012 11:35am
Most people dont know that Kraor Meats is a subsidiary of Feld Entertainment, thus the use of excess animal fats at some rounds.

Glad I could help.
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3/20/2012 11:41am
Sandberm wrote:
Most people dont know that Kraor Meats is a subsidiary of Feld Entertainment, thus the use of excess animal fats at some rounds. Glad I could...
Most people dont know that Kraor Meats is a subsidiary of Feld Entertainment, thus the use of excess animal fats at some rounds.

Glad I could help.
Just asked one of the Dirtwurx guys about this lard thing and he got a good laugh out of it
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3/20/2012 11:43am
Sandberm wrote:
Most people dont know that Kraor Meats is a subsidiary of Feld Entertainment, thus the use of excess animal fats at some rounds. Glad I could...
Most people dont know that Kraor Meats is a subsidiary of Feld Entertainment, thus the use of excess animal fats at some rounds.

Glad I could help.
Explains all the stray dogs sniffing around the sx dirt.
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3/20/2012 11:45am
Sandberm wrote:
Most people dont know that Kraor Meats is a subsidiary of Feld Entertainment, thus the use of excess animal fats at some rounds. Glad I could...
Most people dont know that Kraor Meats is a subsidiary of Feld Entertainment, thus the use of excess animal fats at some rounds.

Glad I could help.
Riz840 wrote:
Just asked one of the Dirtwurx guys about this lard thing and he got a good laugh out of it
So you're saying some 'tard is mixed up about what's used in the dirt? That makes more sense.
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3/20/2012 12:13pm
Wasn't it Emig that said that ALL of the tracks use dirt mixed with lard, to keep the dust down?
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Can't say I've ever heard that one...though I don't watch all the races. Have trouble believing that, though. At a few of the press days this...
Can't say I've ever heard that one...though I don't watch all the races.

Have trouble believing that, though. At a few of the press days this year (both the Anaheims and San Diego), and a couple practices (Oakland, for example) there was plenty of dust.
it's true...then on monday they make the worlds largest sopapilla to feed the homeless. it tastes like dirt but it fills you up.



where do these people come up with this shit?
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3/20/2012 12:30pm
I agree! But what about all injurys? Is it me imagine or is it more than ever this season? If so why? Tracks or maybe too powerful bikes? Hmm?
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3/20/2012 4:52pm
Big wrote:
I agree! But what about all injurys? Is it me imagine or is it more than ever this season? If so why? Tracks or maybe too...
I agree! But what about all injurys? Is it me imagine or is it more than ever this season? If so why? Tracks or maybe too powerful bikes? Hmm?
I agree, this season has had more and more injuries. I'm sure tracks and bikes might play a role, but what I chalk it up to is that these guys are going faster and faster every year - the guys that barely miss the main now-a-days would have been championship contenders decades ago. Yes, the equipment allows us to go faster, but even the privateers train and practice at this like a full time job. When you're going that fast, and pushing that hard, crashes and injuries will happen.
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3/20/2012 5:13pm
Well done Grieby.
3/20/2012 6:55pm
GuyB wrote:
So you're saying some 'tard is mixed up about what's used in the dirt? That makes more sense.
Really Steve? I'm a " tard " for repeating what your SX announcing team talked about on a live broadcast? Who peed in your wheaties this morning?
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3/20/2012 7:08pm
I dont give a a F_ck who wins or loses...I want to see a race!! not a run away
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3/20/2012 7:09pm
I don't know...let's check. Do you believe that Ryan Dungey is a really a Cyborg, carefully crafted in a machine shop, piece by piece, by Roger D? Wink
3/20/2012 8:42pm
One of my bosses had to make a new policy with the nurses at work.. when dealing with coworkers we should always use helpful and kind words when communicating with each other. Maybe its not as fun or dramatic but it makes for a more productive environment. Wink
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3/20/2012 8:49pm
One of my bosses had to make a new policy with the nurses at work.. when dealing with coworkers we should always use helpful and kind...
One of my bosses had to make a new policy with the nurses at work.. when dealing with coworkers we should always use helpful and kind words when communicating with each other. Maybe its not as fun or dramatic but it makes for a more productive environment. Wink
I hear ya. I'll ask about the lard this weekend. Has it happened? Beats me. I'd just never heard of it.

Hopefully they don't read this, so they have time to build an even bigger and better story. Wink
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3/20/2012 9:18pm
The only upside to some of the top guys being out is that it has and will give a few more guys a chance to run at or near the front of the pack, giving them both valuable experience and confidence for the future. If this in the end makes the outdoors more competitive, then that is great. On the one hand of course it sucks and no one wants to see it happen, but on the other side of the coin, a few more guys got to run at the front. Good for them I say. I am still interested in watching the races having accepted the fact the RV is winning this thing unless...But to see Alessi, Brayton, Metcalf, and a few others get a bit of love as well as challenge RV, I think it is still awesome to watch.

And the 250 class is killing it, on both coasts!
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3/20/2012 10:47pm
I thought they mixed rice hulls with the dirt....I learn something new every day.
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3/20/2012 11:15pm
Definitely a huge fan of the tracks this year. As for the riders, this is what I was expecting. I knew there would be a few injuries. You just don't have all 5 healthy like we did in 2011 very often. Villopoto is asserting his dominance over a very talented field. It will be interesting to see Stewart and Dungey against him outdoors. Like I said at the beginning of the year, if I had to put my life on anyone for a championship, it would be Villopoto. I did not expect Reed to crash out like that. He's never done that before in his career. Same with Dungey, who got jinxed by the media. I can't believe Stewart and Villopoto haven't battled it out yet, and now they probably won't at all. Stewart's starts are what have me scratching my head. Awesome starts in the heats but terrible in the mains.

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