JGR Bike Innovations - How Much is Too Much?

Temor a la Mancha
Edited Date/Time 2/26/2012 12:32pm
How much is too much when it comes to altering a race bike? What is the length one should go to squeeze out more horsepower and alter the geometry of a motocross bike and when does it become too much? Stewart's YZ is a work of art and it's obvious JGR has the resources to manufacture just about anything. Are they overdoing it or are they simply improving upon a bike with an inherent disadvantage?

I know Reed (and I'm sure many others) would change the engine mount positions quite a bit, millimeter by millimeter, to get the right balance and shift the CG where it felt most comfortable for him. It just seems like every race Stewart is talking about improvements and changes their making to the bike throughout the week. Not to mention the tire situation with Pirelli. Was Stewart getting custom tires from Dunlop in years past weeks before a race?
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Henry_Van 2/26/2012 5:32am
2/26/2012 5:32am
None off these factory support teams run the off the shelf tires that are sold to the general public they get special compounds
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shoe681 2/26/2012 5:50am
2/26/2012 5:50am
.. Agreed , its seems embarassing to JS to keep tweaking the bike this far into sx series . Gibbs has to be wondering what hes paying this guy for . JS distractions the last 2 years made him just another good rider .
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Frankie 2/26/2012 6:30am
2/26/2012 6:30am
Sooner or later James will need to be accountable for his abilities. Myself and I'm sure others are growing tired of hearing his excuses. Every interview is the same, I don't remember hearing James saying he needs to ride better and make smarter decisions on the track.

Gibbs has the abilities and the finances to give James whatever he wants. But the team can't figure it out for him.
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TX24 2/26/2012 7:05am
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All that electronics behind the front plate is pretty wild.

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Frankie 2/26/2012 10:08am
2/26/2012 10:08am
Yeah your right TX24, it's very cool. But to me I think I'm thinking along the same lines as Temor's first post, it's bending the rules a bit overall. No matter if it's tires no one can get, chassis mods, data acquisition systems, engine management electronics, suspension parts or engine components other can't buy, it's no longer a production bike. Either make it production or open it up, why the smoke screen?

It cost a ton of money for a race team to work around production/spec rules and nearly impossible for a governing body to control and enforce. And yes it's costly to allow full factory bikes, but at least the cards are out on the table.

I love the technology and not a fan of the production rules.

And of course gentlemen, just my opinion.
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Feldspar 2/26/2012 10:28am
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I think it shows that the Yamaha needs a lot of changes to be competitive and for James to be comfortable on it. If JGR went with Suzuki, they wouldn't be making their own gas tank and shrouds.
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newmann 2/26/2012 11:46am
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Feldspar wrote:
I think it shows that the Yamaha needs a lot of changes to be competitive and for James to be comfortable on it. If JGR went...
I think it shows that the Yamaha needs a lot of changes to be competitive and for James to be comfortable on it. If JGR went with Suzuki, they wouldn't be making their own gas tank and shrouds.
That is until the outdoors comes around. Remember, the Suzuki tank won't hold enough fuel for a moto.
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tyler durden 2/26/2012 12:17pm
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Hes got to be apprehensive about riding that thing outdoors. 2nd moto braking bumps vs. NAscar shock. ermmm.
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Ing 2/26/2012 12:32pm
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Frankie wrote:
Yeah your right TX24, it's very cool. But to me I think I'm thinking along the same lines as Temor's first post, it's bending the rules...
Yeah your right TX24, it's very cool. But to me I think I'm thinking along the same lines as Temor's first post, it's bending the rules a bit overall. No matter if it's tires no one can get, chassis mods, data acquisition systems, engine management electronics, suspension parts or engine components other can't buy, it's no longer a production bike. Either make it production or open it up, why the smoke screen?

It cost a ton of money for a race team to work around production/spec rules and nearly impossible for a governing body to control and enforce. And yes it's costly to allow full factory bikes, but at least the cards are out on the table.

I love the technology and not a fan of the production rules.

And of course gentlemen, just my opinion.
Frankie said it well.

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