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As for the response. Good for them. If they don't infringe in any way then they should be allowed to bring their product to market without any interference from Leatt. If Leatt doesn't have the proper patents in place and is obstructing Atlas from legitimately selling their product, then they should be held accountable. But, every jackass on the internet wants to see all the test data from Leatt, why aren't they demanding the same from Atlas?
I am sure people will want to see testing from Atlas as well. But like he said, "The reason our product exists is because it is different, and people need choices. Some are going to like our product, some are going to like others... thats why we all have options."
Look, our sport had a coulpe of bad injuries right when Leatt came to market and A LOT of people tried to make anyone who didn't want to buy one feel guilty and then they pushed back. IMO, that is the bottom line.
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"Yeah no problem... I had written this to Big wave for friday update a week and half ago...
We obviously believe very strongly in our product. For the team involved in Atlas, this is far from our first rodeo… we have been around the block several times and dealt with Patents, law suits, bringing products to market and everything in-between for many many years and would never enter a market with bad intentions. We have our own very unique ideas and concepts, and we research these ideas very carefully to see what is possible and what isn't. If we truly felt we were stepping on someones toes, we would not enter that market. The Atlas Brace is a product of very careful consideration and was designed only after in-depth analysis of multiple Patents in order to truly be unique... So unique that we also have multiple Patents Pending of our own. For companies to believe they can monopolize an entire market that they weren't the first to enter, is appalling. Also, for protection companies to be so focussed on Law Suits rather than keeping riders safe is also very disturbing. As a rider, my heart is with other riders, and that is why I designed and will continue to evolve the Atlas Brace.
As that one sided press release you included a link to says in the fine print... WE actually sued them first. They sent us (and everyone else) a cease and desist, and we responded with a Declaratory Action of Non-Infringement.. and now they have countered. We obviously believe strongly in our position and we have done our homework... I guess it will have to be up to a Judge now.
Its very unfortunate that some people want to do business this way. We are trying to keep riders safe with a very unique product... lets focus on that and give people a choice... not everyone wants their product, and not everyone is going to want mine.. I'm ok with that, thats why there is options. A monopoly is not going to progress brace technology, or help to save riders.
Anyways, business for us will continue as usual.. and we will have some more news to announce shortly that I am veryyyyyyy excited about! "
I have not yet ridden with it and of course have not crashed with it, but I do have some concerns. When I tried it on with my helmet and tested the fore, aft and side to side movements, I couldn't help but notice that my chin (actual chin, not chin of the helmet) made direct contact with the hard plastic of the brace when placing my head down. In the few times that I have crashed in a manner where I feel the neck brace did it's job, each time it was in that head down/against my chest as I had flipped in such a way to land in the back of my head. I hit so hard one time that my sternum was bruised for a week or two. Neck felt amazing, but the force was properly distributed through my body and I was happy with the outcome. The Leatt brace allows for a large enough opening up front where the helmet is the only thing making contact with the brace, which I feel is a much more logical design. Your chin does not touch the brace.
If I were to crash with the Atlas brace, I fear that now my face/chin/teeth stand a pretty good chance at absorbing some of that force and with that hard plastic, that is not going to be good.
Has anyone else noticed this? Is this a valid concern, or would the helmet still take all of the force?
I posted this over on Thumpertalk as well, so I apologize for the apparent post spam. Just trying to get this figured out before I ride with it in the event I need to send it back and stick with what I know to work in the Leatt.
To add to this, I really like the way the Atlas fits otherwise and feel the way it distributes force through the rest of the body is a superior design. I am just concerned with the potential contact made with my chin and/or throat.
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Don't let this change your mind about any brace. Lesson here is that you should always try on these kind of things before making a purchase as you just never know how it is going to work with your set up.
I tried on the Shoei and it felt like the helmet went down even further than my TLD lid. But the Shoei just didn't fit my head that well.
I am really trying to figure out if I want an Atlas brace or not. I have been on the fence and just haven't decided to pull the trigger yet. I never have been a big neck brace guy but the Atlas is different from the Leatt which is why I am considering it.
Thanks for the info. Good to get a little feedback from someone who has tried both. Its like a helmet though, some fit some dont.
As far as the Arai goes, for me and that helmet, the Atlas won't work. I also tried an older TLD helmet I had the same issue. Maybe the problem is just me? My chin definitely sticks out below the bottom of the helmet and it first to make contact with the brace.
The design is very simple and minimalist, no clasps or latches, just pull it over your head and go.
Integrates nicely with my Fox Proframe.
Low maintanance. Hard plastic shell. just spray it down with some water when you're done riding and wipe it off.
The Atlas is less noticeable than my Leatt. It's a tad lower profile ( even with the extra padding in), which could be good or bad, I guess.
Yes, the outer laminate is a hard plastic, and not the foam like the Leatt. Really not sure what kind of bearing this would have in a crash, I think it would be marginal.
Again, the ultimate test of a neck brace is how it performs in a crash, so thats yet to be determined. And I hope I don't have to find out.
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