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shunter986
Edited Date/Time 2/11/2012 5:19pm
Ok I think we need to bring this up because I thought this was going to make a big difference and I think it has. Geico honda left pro circuit for yosh. I personally think thats the best move they ever made. Something about having your motors done by the same team you compete against every weekend does not sit well. I think mitch makes the best motors in the business. Does he make the best motors for his main competition? Does he spend as much time on the dyno making sure his competition has the best most powerful motors he can build? I dont think so. I also am not saying he makes bad motors for his competition but hes not in the engine room night and day like he is for his personal team. It more like I know this works good. Here you go! The Geico bikes last year specially out doors didnt look nearly as fast as those kawis. So Geico went out and asked yosh to build them the fastest hondas they possibly could and those bikes look really good this year. They even sound good on TV. There is a major difference in sound. Those bikes just sound mean kinda like procircuit kawis do lol. I think this was a great move for them and we might see a little more red then green for the rest a the year. Barcias up next!
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Frodad78 2/9/2012 9:56am
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Thats interesting, I didn't know they were running PC motors last year. Of course Barcia did look pretty fast at times last year, he just ate it one too many times.

Looks like Yoshi has something figured out, guess we'll know for sure when they get outdoors when reliability becomes an issue.
shunter986 2/9/2012 9:59am
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Thats interesting, I didn't know they were running PC motors last year. Of course Barcia did look pretty fast at times last year, he just ate...
Thats interesting, I didn't know they were running PC motors last year. Of course Barcia did look pretty fast at times last year, he just ate it one too many times.

Looks like Yoshi has something figured out, guess we'll know for sure when they get outdoors when reliability becomes an issue.
Yeah pro circuit has done there motors for a long time. They were maintained in house though. But the main build was done by procircuit. Atleast thats what I have always read and been told. back when Geico road two strokes they had a engine builder named JMS. I know that because they also built our race bikes for my brother and I. Those bikes were really good.
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MtnBoy 2/9/2012 10:06am
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shunter986 wrote:
Yeah pro circuit has done there motors for a long time. They were maintained in house though. But the main build was done by procircuit. Atleast...
Yeah pro circuit has done there motors for a long time. They were maintained in house though. But the main build was done by procircuit. Atleast thats what I have always read and been told. back when Geico road two strokes they had a engine builder named JMS. I know that because they also built our race bikes for my brother and I. Those bikes were really good.
I thought they were getting parts (heads, cams and whatever other bullshit goes into a 4 stroke) from PC and then modifying them in house before this year...I could be wrong though.
shunter986 2/9/2012 10:09am
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Yeah pro circuit has done there motors for a long time. They were maintained in house though. But the main build was done by procircuit. Atleast...
Yeah pro circuit has done there motors for a long time. They were maintained in house though. But the main build was done by procircuit. Atleast thats what I have always read and been told. back when Geico road two strokes they had a engine builder named JMS. I know that because they also built our race bikes for my brother and I. Those bikes were really good.
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I thought they were getting parts (heads, cams and whatever other bullshit goes into a 4 stroke) from PC and then modifying them in house before...
I thought they were getting parts (heads, cams and whatever other bullshit goes into a 4 stroke) from PC and then modifying them in house before this year...I could be wrong though.
Yeah thats correct but the heads they were using were done by pro circuit. They were pro circuit engines and where they were assembled doesnt matter. Im sure a huge team like geico isnt running anything they dont tighten the bolts on and start them selves.

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MtnBoy 2/9/2012 10:12am
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I know, I thought they were doing in-house modifications too.

I don't think PC was shorting them on anything considering Geico is the only team to win a championship over PC lately....
shunter986 2/9/2012 10:19am
2/9/2012 10:19am Edited Date/Time 2/9/2012 10:29am
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I know, I thought they were doing in-house modifications too. I don't think PC was shorting them on anything considering Geico is the only team to...
I know, I thought they were doing in-house modifications too.

I don't think PC was shorting them on anything considering Geico is the only team to win a championship over PC lately....
Yeah maybe they were but im not sure about that. I am pretty sure pro circuit was building the motors. But still even if they were'nt the biggest part of a 4 stroke engine mod is the head work. I dont think they were shorting them either. I just dont think they were in the dyno room constantly trying to make those honda motors better for them either lol. if they were geico would'nt have screaming yoshi motos with yoshi pipes on them. Geico wants better motors and thats a fact.
UpTiTe 2/9/2012 10:35am
2/9/2012 10:35am Edited Date/Time 2/9/2012 10:54am
I thinl Kibby is building the complete motors now. I think Yosh will be supplying parts, not building motors.
rustytrombone 2/9/2012 10:44am
2/9/2012 10:44am Edited Date/Time 2/9/2012 10:45am
The way I understood it was that PC built the engines, and then Kibby dissasembled them and tweaked them to his liking.
shunter986 2/9/2012 10:56am
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The way I understood it was that PC built the engines, and then Kibby dissasembled them and tweaked them to his liking.
This is how I understand it as well. All I know is procircuit is no more and they use yoshi. Kibby does work to them but the porting and head work is not done in house. Most of those motors are built out side. Kibby is the in house engine guy and he does all the work in house. But the big mods are done by the leading engine builders in the world like pro circuit and yoshi. Why would'nt they be done by the best on a team like that. kibby just makes sure they are right and are not going to blow up or missing a c clip lol. Maybe a tweak here and there but hes not making his own in house motors that just wouldnt make any sense.
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FHKRacingZ 2/9/2012 11:12am
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I heard from a reliable source that Ron Hamp and Scott Venning did or where doing some heads for GEICO.
UpTiTe 2/9/2012 12:09pm
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rustytrombone wrote:
The way I understood it was that PC built the engines, and then Kibby dissasembled them and tweaked them to his liking.
shunter986 wrote:
This is how I understand it as well. All I know is procircuit is no more and they use yoshi. Kibby does work to them but...
This is how I understand it as well. All I know is procircuit is no more and they use yoshi. Kibby does work to them but the porting and head work is not done in house. Most of those motors are built out side. Kibby is the in house engine guy and he does all the work in house. But the big mods are done by the leading engine builders in the world like pro circuit and yoshi. Why would'nt they be done by the best on a team like that. kibby just makes sure they are right and are not going to blow up or missing a c clip lol. Maybe a tweak here and there but hes not making his own in house motors that just wouldnt make any sense.
He does a hell of a lot more then just pull them apart and make sure they're good. He is 100% a legit motor guy.
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rustytrombone wrote:
The way I understood it was that PC built the engines, and then Kibby dissasembled them and tweaked them to his liking.
shunter986 wrote:
This is how I understand it as well. All I know is procircuit is no more and they use yoshi. Kibby does work to them but...
This is how I understand it as well. All I know is procircuit is no more and they use yoshi. Kibby does work to them but the porting and head work is not done in house. Most of those motors are built out side. Kibby is the in house engine guy and he does all the work in house. But the big mods are done by the leading engine builders in the world like pro circuit and yoshi. Why would'nt they be done by the best on a team like that. kibby just makes sure they are right and are not going to blow up or missing a c clip lol. Maybe a tweak here and there but hes not making his own in house motors that just wouldnt make any sense.
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He does a hell of a lot more then just pull them apart and make sure they're good. He is 100% a legit motor guy.
X2. It has been more than a few years that Kibby is 100% responsible for the motors. PC supplied parts only which some where used. Kibby operates much like any of the factories and uses the best possible suppliers and components.
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Greg903 2/9/2012 12:17pm
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I don't think PC would short them as it would be counter productive for their name and business model.
I think Eli worked his ass off and continues to do so.
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CRF107 2/9/2012 12:44pm
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For at least the last few years FCR has built their own motors, using some parts from PC. Yes the head work was done by PC, but FCR flowed the heads and chose the ones they wanted to use. When the 2010 came out they had to rely on PC more because the bike, motor, and EFI were brand new and they were starting from scratch, plus they got their bikes from Honda really late. But even then they still built the motors in-house to their specs.

FCR is not a factory team with an unlimited budget that can have 1 off parts made, so they have to rely on getting the best parts available from other suppliers. The decision to switch to Yosh might have been influenced by the fact that they also sponsor the Factory Honda team, and since FCR is the main Honda lites team, American Honda wanted them using the same pipes.

Keep in mind also that Yosh runs both the Factory Suzuki program, as well as their own lites team. If it was about not wanting to run parts from a competitor, they wouldn't have gone to Yosh.

In the end, FCR has always had competitive motors that win races and all of the guys over there work hard to have one of the best bikes out on the track.
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jndmx 2/9/2012 12:45pm
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DL wrote:
X2. It has been more than a few years that Kibby is 100% responsible for the motors. PC supplied parts only which some where used. Kibby...
X2. It has been more than a few years that Kibby is 100% responsible for the motors. PC supplied parts only which some where used. Kibby operates much like any of the factories and uses the best possible suppliers and components.
Exactly.....they use Pro Circuit parts among others but Kibby has been doing the motors there for a while now.
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therealjonon 2/9/2012 1:18pm
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SPEAKING of geico honda kevin rookstool will be riding for that team in endurocross. way to go kevin!!!
shunter986 2/9/2012 1:36pm
2/9/2012 1:36pm Edited Date/Time 2/9/2012 1:49pm
DL wrote:
X2. It has been more than a few years that Kibby is 100% responsible for the motors. PC supplied parts only which some where used. Kibby...
X2. It has been more than a few years that Kibby is 100% responsible for the motors. PC supplied parts only which some where used. Kibby operates much like any of the factories and uses the best possible suppliers and components.
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Exactly.....they use Pro Circuit parts among others but Kibby has been doing the motors there for a while now.
They no longer use pro circuit parts is the whole point of the thread. They have yoshi heads and parts. Kibby is working with yoshi now not pro circuit. Bottom line they sound and look great!
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shunter986 wrote:
They no longer use pro circuit parts is the whole point of the thread. They have yoshi heads and parts. Kibby is working with yoshi now...
They no longer use pro circuit parts is the whole point of the thread. They have yoshi heads and parts. Kibby is working with yoshi now not pro circuit. Bottom line they sound and look great!
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jhansen510 2/9/2012 2:06pm
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Dude you kinda sound like you have no clue. PC was building the motors but Kibby was doing alot more than "tightening the bolts". But yes I do agree. The FC bikes are looking pretty damn good this year. Although does anyone else like the look better with the crossbar style bars?
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haydos25 2/9/2012 3:46pm
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jhansen510 wrote:
Dude you kinda sound like you have no clue. PC was building the motors but Kibby was doing alot more than "tightening the bolts". But yes...
Dude you kinda sound like you have no clue. PC was building the motors but Kibby was doing alot more than "tightening the bolts". But yes I do agree. The FC bikes are looking pretty damn good this year. Although does anyone else like the look better with the crossbar style bars?
I was thinking the exact same thing, they look a little funky. The first thing that i noticed when i saw them this ear was how tall Windham runs his bars, looks like a real old school tall guy set up. Compare that to an equally big guy like Tye Simmonds mtb rolled back style of bar and its pretty interesting......... to me anywaysCool
shunter986 2/9/2012 3:58pm
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Dude you kinda sound like you have no clue. PC was building the motors but Kibby was doing alot more than "tightening the bolts". But yes...
Dude you kinda sound like you have no clue. PC was building the motors but Kibby was doing alot more than "tightening the bolts". But yes I do agree. The FC bikes are looking pretty damn good this year. Although does anyone else like the look better with the crossbar style bars?
Whatever it was no diss to kibby. But they are not kibbys motors. He is a motor guy but they are using yoshi engines. Im not just making this shit up. Geico honda in the off season switched from pro circuit to yosh. Those are killer motors they have and thats all I have been trying to say. I wouldnt be surprised if they are using yosh motors because kibby wanted to. I meant no disrespect to kibby I collected this all from information thats been released before the season. Pro circuit out. Yosh in lol.
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MCP486 2/9/2012 4:40pm
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There's so much misinformation in this thread, I don't even know where to begin....

Before posting as fact, make sure you REALLY know what you're talking about.
shunter986 2/9/2012 5:01pm
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MCP486 wrote:
There's so much misinformation in this thread, I don't even know where to begin.... Before posting as fact, make sure you REALLY know what you're talking...
There's so much misinformation in this thread, I don't even know where to begin....

Before posting as fact, make sure you REALLY know what you're talking about.
Well fill us in then. I have no idea for sure im going off what I read. I was under the impression they use yoshi now and there bikes sound awesome. So let me know whats actually going on?
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MCP486 2/9/2012 5:09pm
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It's not my place to fill you in, but Yoshimura is an exhaust supplier. Kibby is responsible for a lot more than you give him credit for.
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Why don't you ring him up and ask. You collected all the facts in the pre season right? Surely you got his cell number too?
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jndmx 2/9/2012 5:55pm
2/9/2012 5:55pm Edited Date/Time 2/9/2012 5:58pm
From someone that knows....
No PC parts in the motors this year so I was wrong on that one.
Kibby and the boys in Red.
T Man 345 2/9/2012 6:13pm
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Inserting random Kibby story: We were riding the sand dunes of Stockon Bay around `97... Brockman was riding a pumpkin, well, maybe "riding" isn`t the correct word... he was a mental case on a bike, anyways, he blows the thing up, luckily we were on the edge of the dunes near the bush. So we leave the KTM there overnight, covered in some leaves / bush, and the next morning we trek out there and Kibby rebuilds it on the spot, Macgyver style. To run the thing in, Brockman kicks it over, then tackles a near vertical sand dune to get out of the bush... haha... ahhhh, we had a great time back then. : )

I also remember my best and Kibby coming home from a night out on the town around 2am, to then hit the shed and rebuild their bikes for race day which was in a few hours! haha. Maniacs.

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carson510 2/9/2012 7:10pm
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Is there much of a choice out there? I mean, PC does theirs and other teams, so does Yoshi. Yoshi supplies Suzuki too right? so you just pick the best of the worst or what?
shunter986 2/9/2012 7:12pm
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MCP486 wrote:
It's not my place to fill you in, but Yoshimura is an exhaust supplier. Kibby is responsible for a lot more than you give him credit...
It's not my place to fill you in, but Yoshimura is an exhaust supplier. Kibby is responsible for a lot more than you give him credit for.
Yes they are. Also a engine supplier? Why has this gone from a thread about switching from pro circuit to yoshi into something else. Is there not yoshi motors in the geico hondas?
shunter986 2/9/2012 7:20pm
2/9/2012 7:20pm Edited Date/Time 2/9/2012 7:25pm
http://www.yoshimura-rd.com/t-factory_geico_honda_lites.aspx?v=race

http://www.motocross.com/features/2012-250-silly-season-update/

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They use yoshi products now. Motors are done in house wit guidance from yoshi. This was a thread about them not having pro circuit motors anymore. That's all I was saying. I don't no what level it's on but yosh has there hand in there bikes instead of pro circuit

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