Fun day on the ice

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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2016 1:54pm
We had some serious fun today racing.Temps were above freezing, lots of riders showed, lots of spectators and some great racing. Here's a couple of shots by our friend Jeff Ten have. (I'm #75)






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Great pics Terry!
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RonSkj 2/5/2012 7:29pm
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That looks way fun.. Post up the Go Pro..
keeptwostrokesalive 2/5/2012 7:31pm
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Ice racing would probably be the only time i would ever use a four stroke motocross bike. Does the two stroke handle the ice better than a four stroke? You would think the smooth power of the four stroke would be much easier but i wouldnt know because it never snows here in south georgia.
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TerryK 2/5/2012 7:40pm
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Most guys here use two strokes, mostly 500s, a few 250s and a couple of KTM 380s, which is a great bike for the ice by way. The 450s work well on longer tracks where they can rev and breath, but one the shorter tracks an equal rider on a 500 will pull a 450 out of the corners.

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keeptwostrokesalive 2/5/2012 7:46pm
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TerryK wrote:
Most guys here use two strokes, mostly 500s, a few 250s and a couple of KTM 380s, which is a great bike for the ice by...
Most guys here use two strokes, mostly 500s, a few 250s and a couple of KTM 380s, which is a great bike for the ice by way. The 450s work well on longer tracks where they can rev and breath, but one the shorter tracks an equal rider on a 500 will pull a 450 out of the corners.
Thats really interesting. You would think that a four stroke would be better since it dominates on hardpacked motocross tracks while the two stroke struggles to find grip. Thanks for the info.
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Mxfreak24 2/5/2012 7:52pm
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That looks like a blast, thanks for sharing. I'd like to try that if I were ever given a chance.
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keeptwostrokesalive wrote:
Thats really interesting. You would think that a four stroke would be better since it dominates on hardpacked motocross tracks while the two stroke struggles to...
Thats really interesting. You would think that a four stroke would be better since it dominates on hardpacked motocross tracks while the two stroke struggles to find grip. Thanks for the info.
But the thing you have to remember is that ice isn't slippery!!...at least not with the tires we use. Traction is comparable, and even better sometimes, than slicks on dry pavement.
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TerryK 2/5/2012 8:06pm
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RonSkj wrote:
That looks way fun.. Post up the Go Pro..
Here's one I posted a couple of weeks ago. I'll have another one up this week.

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Pdub 2/5/2012 8:09pm
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Wow, that's really cool, TerryK. Where is that?
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Wow, that's really cool, TerryK. Where is that?
On Lake Superior, just down the road from my place. (Ontario, Canada)
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dirtnapper 2/5/2012 8:47pm
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Wow - I am genuinley impressed!!!

I would be so timid to try that - I guess just living up here and knowing what icy road are like, I don't think I would trust the tires!

I knew a guy about 8 years ago who used to be a Provincial MX Pro, he used to ice race all the time. I should try it sometime....
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wet paint 2/5/2012 9:22pm
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Pdub wrote:
Wow, that's really cool, TerryK. Where is that?
TerryK wrote:
On Lake Superior, just down the road from my place. (Ontario, Canada)
Looks like a blast. Since you are on Superior, how far are you from the Edmond Fitzgerald ?Jjust wondering.
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Wow - I am genuinley impressed!!! I would be so timid to try that - I guess just living up here and knowing what icy road...
Wow - I am genuinley impressed!!!

I would be so timid to try that - I guess just living up here and knowing what icy road are like, I don't think I would trust the tires!

I knew a guy about 8 years ago who used to be a Provincial MX Pro, he used to ice race all the time. I should try it sometime....
Traction is not an issue. There's more than most people can wrap their mind around. Dave M. demonstrates.

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DAMN!! My hands and feet are numb (well my feet are always that way) just watching that!! Yea i am a total puss and hate the cold, but that does look like a total blast! I remember you telling me how incredible the traction is Terry, bet my Pilot would be fun all studded up lol
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catatonic 2/6/2012 3:58am
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I use a 125 on the ice.....big fun.
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ocscottie wrote:
DAMN!! My hands and feet are numb (well my feet are always that way) just watching that!! Yea i am a total puss and hate the...
DAMN!! My hands and feet are numb (well my feet are always that way) just watching that!! Yea i am a total puss and hate the cold, but that does look like a total blast! I remember you telling me how incredible the traction is Terry, bet my Pilot would be fun all studded up lol
your pilot would be a blast!

and by the way, we Minnesotans don't think a whole lot about those "Canadian" ice screws....
we call them cheater screws, ya know for the guys that are afraid to slide around a little.... Silly

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ocscottie wrote:
DAMN!! My hands and feet are numb (well my feet are always that way) just watching that!! Yea i am a total puss and hate the...
DAMN!! My hands and feet are numb (well my feet are always that way) just watching that!! Yea i am a total puss and hate the cold, but that does look like a total blast! I remember you telling me how incredible the traction is Terry, bet my Pilot would be fun all studded up lol
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your pilot would be a blast! and by the way, we Minnesotans don't think a whole lot about those "Canadian" ice screws.... we call them cheater...
your pilot would be a blast!

and by the way, we Minnesotans don't think a whole lot about those "Canadian" ice screws....
we call them cheater screws, ya know for the guys that are afraid to slide around a little.... Silly
Yeah Scottie that Pilot would be fun for sure!

spark: lol, yeah yeah, we've been through this before. Tongue The tires we use are for the guys would aren't scared to throw a bike into a corner at 90mph! Corner speed is what its all about. Contrary to what some people think, we don't just ride around the corners, we attack them and to go fast you have to be on the gas hard all the way through, no on-off-on-off throttle. It's an entirely different type of riding but when you get it right its a blast. A lot of MX guys just can't do it because the speeds are so high.

And yes I still love the old school way of ice racing and I really miss it, which is why I'm trying to get an "AMA legal" studded class started but once people are on the MF44 tires they don't want to go back to inferior equipment.
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Pdub wrote:
Wow, that's really cool, TerryK. Where is that?
TerryK wrote:
On Lake Superior, just down the road from my place. (Ontario, Canada)
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Looks like a blast. Since you are on Superior, how far are you from the Edmond Fitzgerald ?Jjust wondering.
The Edmond Fitzgerald was lost in "Whitefish bay" which is at the far east side of the Lake closer the Sault Ste. Marie and Wawa. I think Terry is from Thunder Bay which is on the East side of the lake. I was actually born the night it sank in Sault Ste Marie. That night was the worst storm in recorded history where the waves were up to 100ft and the town was a total black out. B/C of the black out my parents called me '"Lucas" after the "prince of darkness" or Lucas electronics that came in old british cars and bikes.....

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TerryK wrote:
On Lake Superior, just down the road from my place. (Ontario, Canada)
wet paint wrote:
Looks like a blast. Since you are on Superior, how far are you from the Edmond Fitzgerald ?Jjust wondering.
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The Edmond Fitzgerald was lost in "Whitefish bay" which is at the far east side of the Lake closer the Sault Ste. Marie and Wawa. I...
The Edmond Fitzgerald was lost in "Whitefish bay" which is at the far east side of the Lake closer the Sault Ste. Marie and Wawa. I think Terry is from Thunder Bay which is on the East side of the lake. I was actually born the night it sank in Sault Ste Marie. That night was the worst storm in recorded history where the waves were up to 100ft and the town was a total black out. B/C of the black out my parents called me '"Lucas" after the "prince of darkness" or Lucas electronics that came in old british cars and bikes.....

Umm....not quite right. The Fitz didn't make it to Whitefish bay. If it had it would have been safe because the bay is sheltered. Thunder Bay is almost at the northernmost point of the lake which is considered Western Lake Superior.

To answer the original question, Thunder Bay is about 350 nautical miles from where the Fitz went down.
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ocscottie wrote:
DAMN!! My hands and feet are numb (well my feet are always that way) just watching that!! Yea i am a total puss and hate the...
DAMN!! My hands and feet are numb (well my feet are always that way) just watching that!! Yea i am a total puss and hate the cold, but that does look like a total blast! I remember you telling me how incredible the traction is Terry, bet my Pilot would be fun all studded up lol
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your pilot would be a blast! and by the way, we Minnesotans don't think a whole lot about those "Canadian" ice screws.... we call them cheater...
your pilot would be a blast!

and by the way, we Minnesotans don't think a whole lot about those "Canadian" ice screws....
we call them cheater screws, ya know for the guys that are afraid to slide around a little.... Silly
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Yeah Scottie that Pilot would be fun for sure! spark: lol, yeah yeah, we've been through this before. :P The tires we use are for the...
Yeah Scottie that Pilot would be fun for sure!

spark: lol, yeah yeah, we've been through this before. Tongue The tires we use are for the guys would aren't scared to throw a bike into a corner at 90mph! Corner speed is what its all about. Contrary to what some people think, we don't just ride around the corners, we attack them and to go fast you have to be on the gas hard all the way through, no on-off-on-off throttle. It's an entirely different type of riding but when you get it right its a blast. A lot of MX guys just can't do it because the speeds are so high.

And yes I still love the old school way of ice racing and I really miss it, which is why I'm trying to get an "AMA legal" studded class started but once people are on the MF44 tires they don't want to go back to inferior equipment.
haha, i thought you would get a kick out of that...
Funny how Canadian screws are to AMA screws as AMA screws are to what i grew up on... we just threw in some sheet metal screws and went at it. Then one day i found out what indexed kold kutters were like and i was like "wow, this is cheating". A few years later i rode Canadians....
We all run Kendas with kold kuters or gold pro's in a "Fredette" pattern.
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AMA714 2/6/2012 7:18am
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Hey Terry, Is Marcel Fournier still making the best ice tires?
Back in 87-88 I ran his stuff and it changed the way we raced.... I could hold the CR 500 WFO, step the ass end out going in and be pinned again 2 seconds later.... Unbelievable traction.
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TerryK 2/6/2012 7:23am
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haha, i thought you would get a kick out of that... Funny how Canadian screws are to AMA screws as AMA screws are to what i...
haha, i thought you would get a kick out of that...
Funny how Canadian screws are to AMA screws as AMA screws are to what i grew up on... we just threw in some sheet metal screws and went at it. Then one day i found out what indexed kold kutters were like and i was like "wow, this is cheating". A few years later i rode Canadians....
We all run Kendas with kold kuters or gold pro's in a "Fredette" pattern.
I actually remember running a few screws short on a tire and taking some screws from the duct work in my parents house to finish the job lol.

Those Gold Max screws were the best. Just the right amount of bite to get a nice controllable slide. I used to throw my CR500 into the corners so hard that I would get a two wheel drift coming in lol. I think I still have a couple of boxes of used Gold Max screws somewhere.
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TerryK 2/6/2012 7:25am
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Hey Terry, Is Marcel Fournier still making the best ice tires? Back in 87-88 I ran his stuff and it changed the way we raced.... I...
Hey Terry, Is Marcel Fournier still making the best ice tires?
Back in 87-88 I ran his stuff and it changed the way we raced.... I could hold the CR 500 WFO, step the ass end out going in and be pinned again 2 seconds later.... Unbelievable traction.
Those are exactly the tires we're talking about. MF44s. They are far superior to what you ran back then!
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three9zero 2/6/2012 7:41am
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wet paint wrote:
Looks like a blast. Since you are on Superior, how far are you from the Edmond Fitzgerald ?Jjust wondering.
three9zero wrote:
The Edmond Fitzgerald was lost in "Whitefish bay" which is at the far east side of the Lake closer the Sault Ste. Marie and Wawa. I...
The Edmond Fitzgerald was lost in "Whitefish bay" which is at the far east side of the Lake closer the Sault Ste. Marie and Wawa. I think Terry is from Thunder Bay which is on the East side of the lake. I was actually born the night it sank in Sault Ste Marie. That night was the worst storm in recorded history where the waves were up to 100ft and the town was a total black out. B/C of the black out my parents called me '"Lucas" after the "prince of darkness" or Lucas electronics that came in old british cars and bikes.....

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Umm....not quite right. The Fitz didn't make it to Whitefish bay. If it had it would have been safe because the bay is sheltered. Thunder Bay...
Umm....not quite right. The Fitz didn't make it to Whitefish bay. If it had it would have been safe because the bay is sheltered. Thunder Bay is almost at the northernmost point of the lake which is considered Western Lake Superior.

To answer the original question, Thunder Bay is about 350 nautical miles from where the Fitz went down.
UUmmm, ok it was 17km from Whitefish bay, but if you have ever been out on Whitefish bay in the fall( and I have) and the wind was coming from the West, they would have been in deep trouble till they basically his Gros' Cap. Anyhow your ice racing pictures look cool, where do you get those metal guards for your wheels ?
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TerryK 2/6/2012 8:14am
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UUmmm, ok it was 17km from Whitefish bay, but if you have ever been out on Whitefish bay in the fall( and I have) and the...
UUmmm, ok it was 17km from Whitefish bay, but if you have ever been out on Whitefish bay in the fall( and I have) and the wind was coming from the West, they would have been in deep trouble till they basically his Gros' Cap. Anyhow your ice racing pictures look cool, where do you get those metal guards for your wheels ?
Thats right, 17km is a long way when your ship is breaking up. Anyone who knows about that day knows that if they made the bay they probably would have survived. Just for the record, I spend upwards of 200 days per year on the big lake fishing and working with the MNR on fisheries projects. Been doing it for around 40 years so yeah, I know what's up.

We buy the guards from our local dealer. Not sure where he gets them.
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dirtnapper wrote:
Wow - I am genuinley impressed!!! I would be so timid to try that - I guess just living up here and knowing what icy road...
Wow - I am genuinley impressed!!!

I would be so timid to try that - I guess just living up here and knowing what icy road are like, I don't think I would trust the tires!

I knew a guy about 8 years ago who used to be a Provincial MX Pro, he used to ice race all the time. I should try it sometime....
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Traction is not an issue. There's more than most people can wrap their mind around. Dave M. demonstrates. [img]http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/18165_452190180584_644990584_10925634_4997991_n.jpg[/img]
Traction is not an issue. There's more than most people can wrap their mind around. Dave M. demonstrates.

Would that happen to be Dave Maybee?
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TerryK 2/6/2012 8:25am
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Would that happen to be Dave Maybee?
No, Dave Middleton. How do you know big Dave Mabee?
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chase383 2/6/2012 8:31am
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No, Dave Middleton. How do you know big Dave Mabee?
Dave Maybee used to run the Racer X vet series.. Hopefully he starts coming back out to them. A whole gang of Thunder Bay guys used to come..good times.
I wish I would have known you guys were running up there on the lakes.. I might have made the trip up!

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