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mxjoe99 1/14/2012 8:39am
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This is a business (sad to say) If Danica Patrick Finished last every race she wouldn't have sponsors. They wouldn't start a new womens series on the same day for her to get her on TV. I personally like the womens series. Give them another moto on AM day. 15 min + 2 laps is fine. That's 19-22 min moto and The racing gets boring by then. How many last lap passes were made in 2012. The LCQ is good if it's for 5 spots or more. Let the riders race in front of somebody instead of a timer.
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mxb2 1/14/2012 9:02am
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There is a reason, boring, like the wnba., there fast for sure, do you think fiolek would win the pro class at lorrettas? There is a reason they separate men and women s pro sports
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WhoopDeeDoo 1/14/2012 9:14am
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My fear with this happening is that if it's sucessful for the WMX, some may try to argue that a single-moto format would be good for the 250s and 450s. And while this might be good for the TV package, it largely removes the physical fitness part of MX. I hope we don't end up there.
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Sully22 1/14/2012 9:23am
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Instead of two 15 minute motos equalling 30 minutes, they're running one 20 minute moto....so MX sports is cutting their riding time by 1/3. Is that such a huge deal in the grand scheme?  Some have brought up the economy in posts, so it seems to me that with the current state of the economy, and wmx, this is not a bad deal. They will still have on track exposure at 2/3 what it was, and they get TV time.  Plus, DC said if it doesn't work they'll look at different things. Some of you need to have some faith, DC and MX sports is not trying to screw anyone over, they're not anti-wmx, they're trying to do what's right and run a business....in business and the real world not everything is fair, there is compromise, change, growth, and scaling back.

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MX455 1/14/2012 9:31am
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Instead of two 15 minute motos equalling 30 minutes, they're running one 20 minute moto....so MX sports is cutting their riding time by 1/3. Is that...
Instead of two 15 minute motos equalling 30 minutes, they're running one 20 minute moto....so MX sports is cutting their riding time by 1/3. Is that such a huge deal in the grand scheme?  Some have brought up the economy in posts, so it seems to me that with the current state of the economy, and wmx, this is not a bad deal. They will still have on track exposure at 2/3 what it was, and they get TV time.  Plus, DC said if it doesn't work they'll look at different things. Some of you need to have some faith, DC and MX sports is not trying to screw anyone over, they're not anti-wmx, they're trying to do what's right and run a business....in business and the real world not everything is fair, there is compromise, change, growth, and scaling back.
I agree with most of your post. My only issue with it is that they are changing the sport by going to 1 moto. I understand it's a time and money thing but the foundation should remain the same. Make it 2 10+ 2's rather than 1 moto.
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Sully22 1/14/2012 9:39am
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Instead of two 15 minute motos equalling 30 minutes, they're running one 20 minute moto....so MX sports is cutting their riding time by 1/3. Is that...
Instead of two 15 minute motos equalling 30 minutes, they're running one 20 minute moto....so MX sports is cutting their riding time by 1/3. Is that such a huge deal in the grand scheme?  Some have brought up the economy in posts, so it seems to me that with the current state of the economy, and wmx, this is not a bad deal. They will still have on track exposure at 2/3 what it was, and they get TV time.  Plus, DC said if it doesn't work they'll look at different things. Some of you need to have some faith, DC and MX sports is not trying to screw anyone over, they're not anti-wmx, they're trying to do what's right and run a business....in business and the real world not everything is fair, there is compromise, change, growth, and scaling back.
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I agree with most of your post. My only issue with it is that they are changing the sport by going to 1 moto. I understand...
I agree with most of your post. My only issue with it is that they are changing the sport by going to 1 moto. I understand it's a time and money thing but the foundation should remain the same. Make it 2 10+ 2's rather than 1 moto.
There's a possible idea for next year if the current plan doesn't work.

Like others, I do fear the one moto format possibly creeping into the men's racing....I hope that will never happen. If it does, then we adapt, give our input and get it changed, or quit watching altogether. It reminds me of the bcs system in college football....change has been slow and painful, but theyre finally talking about a playoff system, something the fans have been wanting for years. It's not a perfect system, but it's what we have.
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RACESTHILAIRE 1/14/2012 9:53am
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While MX Sports may be trying to 'fit' it all into one day, this will effectively eliminate most WMX privateers from participating in the series aside...
While MX Sports may be trying to 'fit' it all into one day, this will effectively eliminate most WMX privateers from participating in the series aside from local events, and crush the dreams of upcoming Amateur women.

If the WMX was hyped or promoted even half as much as the men, it would lead to more public interest; if the compensation to the women were even half as much as the Men, it just might make things more competitive. For a privateer to spend over $15,000 per season in just travel expenses, to simply get to the national events for one 20 minute shootout = discouraging.

Entry Fees, Licensing fees, etc are not discounted for the women to participate in a National event; which now gets them 1/2 the seat-time; they ride the same track, after the men, and are then left to self-promote, or rely on their sponsors for representation/publicity.
Many of these women work fulltime just to be able to afford to participate in this program, training in-between, every bit as hard as the men to prepare for a race, doing so with full knowledge that the inequality of compensation alone is beyond measure.

Television time is great, but I'd like to know if they'll be on the same network as the Men, and will the WMX Motos be broadcast in the same timeline, or as a lookback at the season? Reducing to a 1 Moto format eliminates the opportunity for the athletes to compete effectively. And it's not Motocross.
Does a seeded gate pick mean just a one practice format?

To deny anyone who has attained this level of athleticism equal seat-time, recognition & promotion they deserve and were promised, is just wrong.
If the MX Sports promotion of the Pro Women in Motocross is not aggressively marketed, it negates the years of hard work that Mike Keller and thousands of female athletes across the country put in to give validity to the Women’s position in this sport. Countless Amateur Women MX’ers across the country may come to the realization that their dream of a career in the sport is ultimately viewed as a hobby by the Organization. Without the support of MXSports, and follow-through, the advancement and recognition due this group of dedicated female athletes is setback light-years.

When the WMX was sold to MX Sports in 2009, Davey Coombs stated that “We are finally in a position to provide the Women racers the treatment they have earned in the series . On the Marketing side, the Women’s Class will be included in the MX Sports television package and will be featured in the live webcast at each round where they compete.”
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Honda Red Bull, DNA Shred Stix, and KTM and others, have finally recognized the value of adding Pro Women to their teams; MX Sports has the power to continue the momentum, by promoting the Womens Program in the best possible light, which would enhance the sponsorship opportunities for all of the women, increasing public awareness & interest. They deserve some hype.

They are so dedicated, hardworking, and live and breathe simply for the chance to ride. We are inspired by their talent, commitment and perseverance, and are touched by the struggles they face just to get to a race.

MX Sports – In your own words, you are in a position to provide the Women racers the treatment they have earned in the series...

Please do it.
The problem is that the average Pro woman rider is about the speed of a good C rider to a decent B rider (WMX eligibility rules require girls not to race C class at any other events, but some really belong there). Although the top 3-5 are faster...maybe about the level of a local expert rider...this speed does not attract fans. It is not out of the ordinary, and anyone can go to their local track and see a parking lot full of riders at this level.

People pay to see the fastest riders on the planet. Until a larger group of women go fast enough to qualify for a regular national, they will not be desirable to watch to the general fan base...Plain and simple.

I respect each and every rider who dedicates their efforts to riding and racing, but just because a group of female riders have been determined professional, does not mean that they automatically deserve equal exposure and compensation as male pro riders.

There are non-pro local and national level A and B riders who spend as much if not more money, with even less of a chance at making it to the professional level, who get absolutely no exposure and go through a much more difficult process of receiving their AMA pro racing license.

I love this sport and only wish the best for it, and would love to see pro women riders have a larger amount of exposure and compensation, but I think in order for that to happen the girls need to be going fast enough to qualify for a male national.
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MX455 1/14/2012 10:10am
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The problem is that the average Pro woman rider is about the speed of a good C rider to a decent B rider (WMX eligibility rules...
The problem is that the average Pro woman rider is about the speed of a good C rider to a decent B rider (WMX eligibility rules require girls not to race C class at any other events, but some really belong there). Although the top 3-5 are faster...maybe about the level of a local expert rider...this speed does not attract fans. It is not out of the ordinary, and anyone can go to their local track and see a parking lot full of riders at this level.

People pay to see the fastest riders on the planet. Until a larger group of women go fast enough to qualify for a regular national, they will not be desirable to watch to the general fan base...Plain and simple.

I respect each and every rider who dedicates their efforts to riding and racing, but just because a group of female riders have been determined professional, does not mean that they automatically deserve equal exposure and compensation as male pro riders.

There are non-pro local and national level A and B riders who spend as much if not more money, with even less of a chance at making it to the professional level, who get absolutely no exposure and go through a much more difficult process of receiving their AMA pro racing license.

I love this sport and only wish the best for it, and would love to see pro women riders have a larger amount of exposure and compensation, but I think in order for that to happen the girls need to be going fast enough to qualify for a male national.
Josh, I completely agree, this is what I was getting at in my earlier post. I see the shop is doing great, how was the race season for you this year???
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thatdad 1/14/2012 12:31pm
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RACESTHILAIRE wrote:
The problem is that the average Pro woman rider is about the speed of a good C rider to a decent B rider (WMX eligibility rules...
The problem is that the average Pro woman rider is about the speed of a good C rider to a decent B rider (WMX eligibility rules require girls not to race C class at any other events, but some really belong there). Although the top 3-5 are faster...maybe about the level of a local expert rider...this speed does not attract fans. It is not out of the ordinary, and anyone can go to their local track and see a parking lot full of riders at this level.

People pay to see the fastest riders on the planet. Until a larger group of women go fast enough to qualify for a regular national, they will not be desirable to watch to the general fan base...Plain and simple.

I respect each and every rider who dedicates their efforts to riding and racing, but just because a group of female riders have been determined professional, does not mean that they automatically deserve equal exposure and compensation as male pro riders.

There are non-pro local and national level A and B riders who spend as much if not more money, with even less of a chance at making it to the professional level, who get absolutely no exposure and go through a much more difficult process of receiving their AMA pro racing license.

I love this sport and only wish the best for it, and would love to see pro women riders have a larger amount of exposure and compensation, but I think in order for that to happen the girls need to be going fast enough to qualify for a male national.
And there is your solution. If a female qualifies for the show, give her the recognition. If she can't run in the top forty, don't force her on the paying fans. We recognize rookies, top privateers, etc. Why not top woman? There is no need for a separate race.
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Josh, I completely agree, this is what I was getting at in my earlier post. I see the shop is doing great, how was the race...
Josh, I completely agree, this is what I was getting at in my earlier post. I see the shop is doing great, how was the race season for you this year???
We had a good year! Sottile rode for us this year and had the fastest qualifying time at southwick as you probably know, Paul Lamb won the spring series NESC 450 Pro class championship, Jake Abbott had a 19th in a moto a southwick, and we had lots of other riders repping for us this year that were doing well.

The shop has been growing like crazy. I'm hoping to be set up for trackside this spring and will be doing more trackside testing with EFI, engines, parts, etc.
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RbR 1/14/2012 1:19pm
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I'm of two minds on this:

1. From a pure racing, entertainment, and fairness :: it makes no sense to have a restricted class of the equivalent of C and mid-pack B riders (why no class for transvestites?) taking up everyone's time at the pro nationals. This is a little off topic, but it helps illustrate my point ... I used to golf with a kid who had a +3 handicap who couldn't make the golf team down in Iowa. For the non-golfers out there, a +3 means he had to add three strokes to his gross score each round to get his net score. This kid had to sit by while his sister, who couldn't come close to shooting even par, got a full golf scholarship to the same school.


2. From a money, marketing, and overall health of the sport, standpoint, it makes sense to include the girls. If the 'pro' women can bring more riders and families into the sport, then we all win,
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MX455 1/14/2012 1:37pm
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RACESTHILAIRE wrote:
We had a good year! Sottile rode for us this year and had the fastest qualifying time at southwick as you probably know, Paul Lamb won...
We had a good year! Sottile rode for us this year and had the fastest qualifying time at southwick as you probably know, Paul Lamb won the spring series NESC 450 Pro class championship, Jake Abbott had a 19th in a moto a southwick, and we had lots of other riders repping for us this year that were doing well.

The shop has been growing like crazy. I'm hoping to be set up for trackside this spring and will be doing more trackside testing with EFI, engines, parts, etc.
Glad to hear everything is going well. Hopefully I'll be back racing the spring series, if not I'll see you in the fall.
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Hopefully this is the beginning of the end for WMX. If they had their own event a promoter would not last financially for 1 year without having to fold. The men bring it the crowds/money.
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What a bunch of Gays! First they had their own series WMA,. MxSports bought it now they are ruining it. Lacking the upper body strength of men they do it through skill and balance, it is a beautiful thing. I hope the losers here including DC never have a loved one dedicated to MX and spreading its foundation, training relentlessly then treated like this. LCQs for the none qualifiers, well that should be fun to watch! I suppose the haters are tired of being beat by woman so this is there backlash.
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MtnBoy 1/14/2012 4:06pm
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What a bunch of Gays! First they had their own series WMA,. MxSports bought it now they are ruining it. Lacking the upper body strength of...
What a bunch of Gays! First they had their own series WMA,. MxSports bought it now they are ruining it. Lacking the upper body strength of men they do it through skill and balance, it is a beautiful thing. I hope the losers here including DC never have a loved one dedicated to MX and spreading its foundation, training relentlessly then treated like this. LCQs for the none qualifiers, well that should be fun to watch! I suppose the haters are tired of being beat by woman so this is there backlash.
The LCQ will be fun to watch, especially for the locals, as they'll likely get to see some of their guys battling for a spot on the gate with the fast 40.

Can you honestly tell me you don't find watching the local pro class fun? Because the guys running the LCQ are more than likely faster than most local pros.

The problem with the women is, as stated above, there is a whole parking lot of intermediates at every track USA that are just as fast (or faster) than the women are. Truth hurts.
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jamesecox 1/14/2012 4:13pm
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The LCQ will be fun to watch, especially for the locals, as they'll likely get to see some of their guys battling for a spot on...
The LCQ will be fun to watch, especially for the locals, as they'll likely get to see some of their guys battling for a spot on the gate with the fast 40.

Can you honestly tell me you don't find watching the local pro class fun? Because the guys running the LCQ are more than likely faster than most local pros.

The problem with the women is, as stated above, there is a whole parking lot of intermediates at every track USA that are just as fast (or faster) than the women are. Truth hurts.
Its not the speed its the growth of the sports that at stake. I like watching the woman. Another gate of A men, I can see that anywhere. With bike sales where they are at, the woman are the future for this sports health. Im NOT objective though as I wrench for www.justinecox.com , bet shes faster than you!
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MtnBoy 1/14/2012 4:18pm
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Its not the speed its the growth of the sports that at stake. I like watching the woman. Another gate of A men, I can see...
Its not the speed its the growth of the sports that at stake. I like watching the woman. Another gate of A men, I can see that anywhere. With bike sales where they are at, the woman are the future for this sports health. Im NOT objective though as I wrench for www.justinecox.com , bet shes faster than you!
I love the "bet she's faster than you"

Aside from the top 3 or so, most of the chicks are barely mid pack intermediates. Like I said, parking lots full of guys that fast all over the country, nothing special.

I've never heard of Justine Cox, so I guarantee she's not faster than me. Someday I'm sure I'll have to concede that I don't have intermediate speed anymore, but I'm not quite ready to give up yet haha

I do kinda see what you are saying from growing the sport and bike sales, but do you really think squeezing a few fast chicks into an already packed day in front of a bunch of fans who came to see Chad Reed, RV, Dungey, Roczen etc. is really going to grow the sport that much?

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jamesecox 1/14/2012 4:27pm
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I love the "bet she's faster than you" Aside from the top 3 or so, most of the chicks are barely mid pack intermediates. Like I...
I love the "bet she's faster than you"

Aside from the top 3 or so, most of the chicks are barely mid pack intermediates. Like I said, parking lots full of guys that fast all over the country, nothing special.

I've never heard of Justine Cox, so I guarantee she's not faster than me. Someday I'm sure I'll have to concede that I don't have intermediate speed anymore, but I'm not quite ready to give up yet haha

I do kinda see what you are saying from growing the sport and bike sales, but do you really think squeezing a few fast chicks into an already packed day in front of a bunch of fans who came to see Chad Reed, RV, Dungey, Roczen etc. is really going to grow the sport that much?
The growth comes from all the girls who follow her and the other woman, we are putting a girl on a bike for the first time tomorrow at our local track. The girls coming in the sport do not care if the woman are mid pack intermediates, they see woman doing something fun and want to join. What makes you so sure of your speed?
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jamesecox 1/14/2012 4:31pm
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Outdoor MX is the coolest thing on earth! shame on anyone trying to limit it or criticizing its dedicated participants.
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MtnBoy 1/14/2012 4:59pm
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The growth comes from all the girls who follow her and the other woman, we are putting a girl on a bike for the first time...
The growth comes from all the girls who follow her and the other woman, we are putting a girl on a bike for the first time tomorrow at our local track. The girls coming in the sport do not care if the woman are mid pack intermediates, they see woman doing something fun and want to join. What makes you so sure of your speed?
I'm sure of my speed because I've never had a problem passing chicks that have finished up front at WMX.

I'm also 100% sure after checking out Justines website and seeing that she scored 11 points at 6 races last year, I'm no math wizz, but I'd say she runs somewhere from 12th to 25th place, putting her at about midpack speed in the local Junior class.

The bottom line is, the guys are WAY faster, WAY more fun to watch and they bring in WAY more $$$ which in turn helps the sport grow.

I don't see NASCAR running a womens class, or F1 or Moto GP or PBR or the NBA or PGA or any other legitmate sport. If there was that much of a demand for professional women's motocross they would have their own stand alone series!

So let me ask you, what makes you so sure that women deserve a spot during the show of AMA Professional motocross without earning a way in like the guys have to?
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jamesecox 1/14/2012 5:15pm
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I'm sure of my speed because I've never had a problem passing chicks that have finished up front at WMX. I'm also 100% sure after checking...
I'm sure of my speed because I've never had a problem passing chicks that have finished up front at WMX.

I'm also 100% sure after checking out Justines website and seeing that she scored 11 points at 6 races last year, I'm no math wizz, but I'd say she runs somewhere from 12th to 25th place, putting her at about midpack speed in the local Junior class.

The bottom line is, the guys are WAY faster, WAY more fun to watch and they bring in WAY more $$$ which in turn helps the sport grow.

I don't see NASCAR running a womens class, or F1 or Moto GP or PBR or the NBA or PGA or any other legitmate sport. If there was that much of a demand for professional women's motocross they would have their own stand alone series!

So let me ask you, what makes you so sure that women deserve a spot during the show of AMA Professional motocross without earning a way in like the guys have to?
Bottom line she is the 35th fastest woman, where are you? And without a doubt has a much larger profile and has had way more influence over a larger number of people in the sport. They all in one way or another have earned their spots, hopefully as their numbers grow a ProAm format will be adopted. But like I said I am biased and I fear you are missing my point. Enjoy the circus at Phoenix tonight.
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MtnBoy 1/14/2012 5:20pm
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Bottom line she is the 35th fastest woman, where are you? And without a doubt has a much larger profile and has had way more influence...
Bottom line she is the 35th fastest woman, where are you? And without a doubt has a much larger profile and has had way more influence over a larger number of people in the sport. They all in one way or another have earned their spots, hopefully as their numbers grow a ProAm format will be adopted. But like I said I am biased and I fear you are missing my point. Enjoy the circus at Phoenix tonight.
Where am I? Faster than probably 30-32 of those girls, along with 50% of guys in America that race intermediate. Why don't they get a spot in the show?

Don't get me wrong, I have respect for the girls and I've ridden a lot with some of the top off-road chicks and they are GOOD riders just like the WMX girls, I just don't think they deserve a spot in the already crowded AMA Pro schedule.

Anyway, we could argue this for days. I think we can both agree any racing is good for the sport!

You enjoy the super-duper-cross as well!
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I'm sure of my speed because I've never had a problem passing chicks that have finished up front at WMX. I'm also 100% sure after checking...
I'm sure of my speed because I've never had a problem passing chicks that have finished up front at WMX.

I'm also 100% sure after checking out Justines website and seeing that she scored 11 points at 6 races last year, I'm no math wizz, but I'd say she runs somewhere from 12th to 25th place, putting her at about midpack speed in the local Junior class.

The bottom line is, the guys are WAY faster, WAY more fun to watch and they bring in WAY more $$$ which in turn helps the sport grow.

I don't see NASCAR running a womens class, or F1 or Moto GP or PBR or the NBA or PGA or any other legitmate sport. If there was that much of a demand for professional women's motocross they would have their own stand alone series!

So let me ask you, what makes you so sure that women deserve a spot during the show of AMA Professional motocross without earning a way in like the guys have to?
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Bottom line she is the 35th fastest woman, where are you? And without a doubt has a much larger profile and has had way more influence...
Bottom line she is the 35th fastest woman, where are you? And without a doubt has a much larger profile and has had way more influence over a larger number of people in the sport. They all in one way or another have earned their spots, hopefully as their numbers grow a ProAm format will be adopted. But like I said I am biased and I fear you are missing my point. Enjoy the circus at Phoenix tonight.
The women suck to watch. That dosen't help grow the sport.
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I also love the argument that it made a girl want to race...a girl... Women aren't flocking from gymnastics to join MX, the growth is minimal at best.
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I also love the argument that it made a girl want to race...a girl... Women aren't flocking from gymnastics to join MX, the growth is minimal...
I also love the argument that it made a girl want to race...a girl... Women aren't flocking from gymnastics to join MX, the growth is minimal at best.
Have you always been challenged? Once your old enough to drive then Ill waste some extra keystrokes on your worthless ass, go away.
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Sherwood 1/14/2012 5:40pm
1/14/2012 5:40pm
Sherwood wrote:
I also love the argument that it made a girl want to race...a girl... Women aren't flocking from gymnastics to join MX, the growth is minimal...
I also love the argument that it made a girl want to race...a girl... Women aren't flocking from gymnastics to join MX, the growth is minimal at best.
jamesecox wrote:
Have you always been challenged? Once your old enough to drive then Ill waste some extra keystrokes on your worthless ass, go away.
Fact is the women's MX scene hasn't blown up with the introduction and continued support of WMX. Anyone in any business is going to cut their losses if you have almost 0% chance of a return on an investment.
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mxjoe99 1/14/2012 10:10pm
1/14/2012 10:10pm Edited Date/Time 1/15/2012 8:28am
MtnBoy wrote:
I'm sure of my speed because I've never had a problem passing chicks that have finished up front at WMX. I'm also 100% sure after checking...
I'm sure of my speed because I've never had a problem passing chicks that have finished up front at WMX.

I'm also 100% sure after checking out Justines website and seeing that she scored 11 points at 6 races last year, I'm no math wizz, but I'd say she runs somewhere from 12th to 25th place, putting her at about midpack speed in the local Junior class.

The bottom line is, the guys are WAY faster, WAY more fun to watch and they bring in WAY more $$$ which in turn helps the sport grow.

I don't see NASCAR running a womens class, or F1 or Moto GP or PBR or the NBA or PGA or any other legitmate sport. If there was that much of a demand for professional women's motocross they would have their own stand alone series!

So let me ask you, what makes you so sure that women deserve a spot during the show of AMA Professional motocross without earning a way in like the guys have to?
jamesecox wrote:
Bottom line she is the 35th fastest woman, where are you? And without a doubt has a much larger profile and has had way more influence...
Bottom line she is the 35th fastest woman, where are you? And without a doubt has a much larger profile and has had way more influence over a larger number of people in the sport. They all in one way or another have earned their spots, hopefully as their numbers grow a ProAm format will be adopted. But like I said I am biased and I fear you are missing my point. Enjoy the circus at Phoenix tonight.
If i had a national # of 35 in the mens class I would be making money and at the top of my field. Does a woman have to Qualify for the main? Do yourself a favor... Look at the lap times at mxsports.com. A lites rider is 20th place if they are 2 seconds a lap slower then the leader. A 20th place woman is 20 seconds a lap slower then the leader. Not good racing past 5th place. I am sure you are proud of your daughter. I would be too. Racing is a great family sport.
For the high prices it costs to go to a national. Gas, food, tickets, programs ect. I want to see some young kids going for it in every corner. The smell of premix would be a bonus! I don't think the one moto is the answer. Split them into 2 days.
lostboy819 1/15/2012 1:09am
1/15/2012 1:09am
P wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Women's racing is some of the best racing that you will see.


P
Yes ,they are fun to watch and entertaining.

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KTMmatthew 1/15/2012 10:19am
1/15/2012 10:19am
click click bang bang wrote:
Yep, Hopefully it's gone next year.
JCRF217 wrote:
Ya I'm thinking the same thing. It's not very interesting to watch.
Racer111 wrote:
You stupid asses couldn't even keep up with them on the track and here you are talking shit. Would be much better to see douches like...
You stupid asses couldn't even keep up with them on the track and here you are talking shit. Would be much better to see douches like yourself go.
That's pretty funny coming from the biggest douche (and let's not forget LIAR). Stefan, do you want me to recount all of your "douchiness" for everyone (along with all of your lies)? Just a small sampling: Didn't you claim to be a pro mx rider and get called out for it on this board? Didn't you claim to be former 5th Special Forces Group (LIAR), claim you've been doing triathlons for years (LIAR). You are the king of the douches so I guess you should know if someone else is being a douche. You've been exposed as a LIAR on this board (and others) several times (he likes to change names when it gets uncomfortable). I'd think you'd refrain from insulting others given your track record. But then again, you are the king of the douche bags.

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