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oshow 6/20/2008 10:21am
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oshow wrote:
Put them side by side.

Yot= Reed and Lawenski

PC= Everyone

Nothing against YOT. They did great in SX. How did 338's bike do last week?
Adam43 wrote:
Why don't you actually compare them then. Champs since 2000: YoT Fonseca (2x SX) Roncada (SX) Reed (SX) Lawrence (SX) PC Brown (MX) Tedesco (2x SX...
Why don't you actually compare them then. Champs since 2000:


YoT

Fonseca (2x SX)
Roncada (SX)
Reed (SX)
Lawrence (SX)

PC
Brown (MX)
Tedesco (2x SX, 1 MX)
Langston (2x SX)
Villopoto (SX, 2x MX)
Townley (SX)

Of course PC has the edge, hard to deny that, but YoT really punches above their weight. Only other satellite team that can figure into that is FC, with two SX titles.

PC
Brown (MX)
Tedesco (2x SX, 1 MX)
Langston (2x SX)
Villopoto (SX, 2x MX)
Townley (SX)

Bentley
Pichon
MC
More!
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oshow 6/20/2008 10:23am
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devheadmx wrote:
Please read above posts! YoT has had plenty of championships!
oshow wrote:
Put them side by side.

Yot= Reed and Lawenski

PC= Everyone

Nothing against YOT. They did great in SX. How did 338's bike do last week?
devheadmx wrote:
There's been pleanty of others than just the two you mentioned, that's why I was saying to check the above posts.

Good point Mark Dude99 ....
YOT is a great team but it still not a big decision......

It's really not for the dedicated ones.
williamsmotowerx 6/20/2008 10:27am
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PC's budget is huge... YOT's is almost nill.

That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up and coming riders and has the reputation that he has for champions.

FC doesn't have a dyno or flowbench, YOT doesn't have a dyno or flowbench, they just can't afford it. They have to rely on borrowing test equipment.

They do pretty well for what they have and available to them.
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bogdan912 6/20/2008 10:38am
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Jesse do you ever do any work in YOTs motors? Or do you just supply the valves?

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PC's budget is huge... YOT's is almost nill. That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up...
PC's budget is huge... YOT's is almost nill.

That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up and coming riders and has the reputation that he has for champions.

FC doesn't have a dyno or flowbench, YOT doesn't have a dyno or flowbench, they just can't afford it. They have to rely on borrowing test equipment.

They do pretty well for what they have and available to them.
That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up and coming riders and has the reputation that he has for champions

Come on now....I don't want to call you dumb ........but........
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thepopo 6/20/2008 10:56am
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devheadmx wrote:
Please read above posts! YoT has had plenty of championships!
oshow wrote:
Put them side by side.

Yot= Reed and Lawenski

PC= Everyone

Nothing against YOT. They did great in SX. How did 338's bike do last week?
mark dude99 wrote:
how did RV's bike do last year ? I seem to remember that BT101 made up 25 points in one moto
maybe he made up 25 points in one moto but last time i checked they were both on the same bike so what are you trying to say! any bike can blow up at anytime it happens!
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devheadmx 6/20/2008 11:05am
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PC's budget is huge... YOT's is almost nill. That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up...
PC's budget is huge... YOT's is almost nill.

That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up and coming riders and has the reputation that he has for champions.

FC doesn't have a dyno or flowbench, YOT doesn't have a dyno or flowbench, they just can't afford it. They have to rely on borrowing test equipment.

They do pretty well for what they have and available to them.
You are 100% right there!
suzukirm12594 6/20/2008 11:10am
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PC!! Theyre more elite and the bikes look alot betterCool
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Adam43 6/20/2008 11:21am
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Ramsey won a title for YOT in 2000
Nope. He won the West for PC in '99. He raced for YoT in 2001 on the 250F but finished 2nd to Pastrana.
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urbanlift707 6/20/2008 11:31am
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easy YOT who wants to wear the same gear all year...
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devheadmx 6/20/2008 11:43am
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urbanlift707 wrote:
easy YOT who wants to wear the same gear all year...
LOL
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devheadmx 6/20/2008 11:44am
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If you had the chance, they were both paying the same $, etc, and you had the chance whom would you rather ride for? Yamaha of...
If you had the chance, they were both paying the same $, etc, and you had the chance whom would you rather ride for? Yamaha of Troy or Pro Circuit in the Lites class? Just curious as to answers.
Huckster, you have a good point there. IMO, the majority of it does have to do with the rider although you do need good backing as well!
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Denn700 6/20/2008 11:51am
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In 2000 Ramsey won the E/W Shootout Pastrana won east and Roncada West I think?
williamsmotowerx 6/20/2008 11:53am
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PC's budget is huge... YOT's is almost nill. That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up...
PC's budget is huge... YOT's is almost nill.

That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up and coming riders and has the reputation that he has for champions.

FC doesn't have a dyno or flowbench, YOT doesn't have a dyno or flowbench, they just can't afford it. They have to rely on borrowing test equipment.

They do pretty well for what they have and available to them.
oshow wrote:
That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up and coming riders and has the reputation that...
That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up and coming riders and has the reputation that he has for champions

Come on now....I don't want to call you dumb ........but........
You can call me dumb... what do you think i'm missing?
mark dude99 6/20/2008 11:56am
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urbanlift707 wrote:
easy YOT who wants to wear the same gear all year...
PC has 2 sets

1 has a little bit more white & they run it for nationals
the other has more black and they use it for supercross
mark dude99 6/20/2008 11:58am
6/20/2008 11:58am
oshow wrote:
Put them side by side.

Yot= Reed and Lawenski

PC= Everyone

Nothing against YOT. They did great in SX. How did 338's bike do last week?
mark dude99 wrote:
how did RV's bike do last year ? I seem to remember that BT101 made up 25 points in one moto
thepopo wrote:
maybe he made up 25 points in one moto but last time i checked they were both on the same bike so what are you trying...
maybe he made up 25 points in one moto but last time i checked they were both on the same bike so what are you trying to say! any bike can blow up at anytime it happens!
some one asked what happend to lawrences bike 2nd moto , i just pointed out that RV's bike isnt bulletproof either
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williamsmotowerx wrote:
PC's budget is huge... YOT's is almost nill. That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up...
PC's budget is huge... YOT's is almost nill.

That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up and coming riders and has the reputation that he has for champions.

FC doesn't have a dyno or flowbench, YOT doesn't have a dyno or flowbench, they just can't afford it. They have to rely on borrowing test equipment.

They do pretty well for what they have and available to them.
oshow wrote:
That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up and coming riders and has the reputation that...
That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up and coming riders and has the reputation that he has for champions

Come on now....I don't want to call you dumb ........but........
williamsmotowerx wrote:
You can call me dumb... what do you think i'm missing?
I think you hit the nail on the head! You are 100% right about the budgets, picks, etc. You must also be in the industry or have done your research!
mark dude99 6/20/2008 12:02pm
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oshow wrote:
That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up and coming riders and has the reputation that...
That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up and coming riders and has the reputation that he has for champions

Come on now....I don't want to call you dumb ........but........
williamsmotowerx wrote:
You can call me dumb... what do you think i'm missing?
devheadmx wrote:
I think you hit the nail on the head! You are 100% right about the budgets, picks, etc. You must also be in the industry or...
I think you hit the nail on the head! You are 100% right about the budgets, picks, etc. You must also be in the industry or have done your research!
canard chose FC over PC because he wanted to bring his personal mechanic with him

he didnt seem to suffer

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devheadmx 6/20/2008 12:09pm
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mark dude99 wrote:
canard chose FC over PC because he wanted to bring his personal mechanic with him

he didnt seem to suffer
And that's awesome! Glad he was loyal to the man whom turns his wrench and like you said, look where it got him! PC is extremely strict when it comes to just about everything. This is good and bad. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it.
UpTiTe 6/20/2008 12:57pm
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I would like someone here to try and tell me the difference between the two bikes, becouse there is not much at all. I dont understand why everyone assumes the PC bike is so much better. For every champ PC has poduced they have had 3 losers.

Mitch and Bones are relentless hard workers and the team has benefited from it. Plus they have the advantge of getting all the team green prospects that Kawasaki wants to keep.

When YOT first started the old owner had the same ambition as Mitch but he fell apart.
If the old owner wouldnt have run YOT into the ground with gambleing, drug and alchohol abuse then the YOT team would be a premier team. When management runs a team into the ground for 3 years then hires someone who basically does the same for another 2 years its hard to rebound. Its hard to hire elite riders when the team cant pay their bills, and that was their situation for a while.
UpTiTe 6/20/2008 12:58pm
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dunn2500 wrote:
even the riders themselves have stated that p.c is the best................what does that tell ya!
Hmm what riders are these?
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dunn2500 wrote:
even the riders themselves have stated that p.c is the best................what does that tell ya!
UpTiTe wrote:
Hmm what riders are these?
Same question here.
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williamsmotowerx wrote:
PC's budget is huge... YOT's is almost nill. That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up...
PC's budget is huge... YOT's is almost nill.

That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up and coming riders and has the reputation that he has for champions.

FC doesn't have a dyno or flowbench, YOT doesn't have a dyno or flowbench, they just can't afford it. They have to rely on borrowing test equipment.

They do pretty well for what they have and available to them.
oshow wrote:
That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up and coming riders and has the reputation that...
That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up and coming riders and has the reputation that he has for champions

Come on now....I don't want to call you dumb ........but........
williamsmotowerx wrote:
You can call me dumb... what do you think i'm missing?
Mitch's budget isn't the only reason for the titles.

Give Bills -Rockstar-Susuki- 5 million a couple of years ago and their results would have been about the same.


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oshow 6/20/2008 6:28pm
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That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up and coming riders and has the reputation that...
That's about the only reason Mitch has been able to have a pick of the litter for up and coming riders and has the reputation that he has for champions

Come on now....I don't want to call you dumb ........but........
williamsmotowerx wrote:
You can call me dumb... what do you think i'm missing?
devheadmx wrote:
I think you hit the nail on the head! You are 100% right about the budgets, picks, etc. You must also be in the industry or...
I think you hit the nail on the head! You are 100% right about the budgets, picks, etc. You must also be in the industry or have done your research!
You don't have to be in the industry to know that. And Mitch doesn't always pay the top dollar, It's an honor to race for his team.
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UpTiTe wrote:
I would like someone here to try and tell me the difference between the two bikes, becouse there is not much at all. I dont understand...
I would like someone here to try and tell me the difference between the two bikes, becouse there is not much at all. I dont understand why everyone assumes the PC bike is so much better. For every champ PC has poduced they have had 3 losers.

Mitch and Bones are relentless hard workers and the team has benefited from it. Plus they have the advantge of getting all the team green prospects that Kawasaki wants to keep.

When YOT first started the old owner had the same ambition as Mitch but he fell apart.
If the old owner wouldnt have run YOT into the ground with gambleing, drug and alchohol abuse then the YOT team would be a premier team. When management runs a team into the ground for 3 years then hires someone who basically does the same for another 2 years its hard to rebound. Its hard to hire elite riders when the team cant pay their bills, and that was their situation for a while.
That was uncalled for.
rockcrawlerdude 6/20/2008 6:31pm
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yup PC is the Team Honda of the 250F class!
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UpTiTe wrote:
I would like someone here to try and tell me the difference between the two bikes, becouse there is not much at all. I dont understand...
I would like someone here to try and tell me the difference between the two bikes, becouse there is not much at all. I dont understand why everyone assumes the PC bike is so much better. For every champ PC has poduced they have had 3 losers.

Mitch and Bones are relentless hard workers and the team has benefited from it. Plus they have the advantge of getting all the team green prospects that Kawasaki wants to keep.

When YOT first started the old owner had the same ambition as Mitch but he fell apart.
If the old owner wouldnt have run YOT into the ground with gambleing, drug and alchohol abuse then the YOT team would be a premier team. When management runs a team into the ground for 3 years then hires someone who basically does the same for another 2 years its hard to rebound. Its hard to hire elite riders when the team cant pay their bills, and that was their situation for a while.
I think you are refering to the Team manager and not the owner of YOT

if they were going to be like PC where's the Dyno's and all the Shop equipment ?

I doubt they had it and don't now.
UpTiTe 6/20/2008 8:18pm
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I would like someone here to try and tell me the difference between the two bikes, becouse there is not much at all. I dont understand...
I would like someone here to try and tell me the difference between the two bikes, becouse there is not much at all. I dont understand why everyone assumes the PC bike is so much better. For every champ PC has poduced they have had 3 losers.

Mitch and Bones are relentless hard workers and the team has benefited from it. Plus they have the advantge of getting all the team green prospects that Kawasaki wants to keep.

When YOT first started the old owner had the same ambition as Mitch but he fell apart.
If the old owner wouldnt have run YOT into the ground with gambleing, drug and alchohol abuse then the YOT team would be a premier team. When management runs a team into the ground for 3 years then hires someone who basically does the same for another 2 years its hard to rebound. Its hard to hire elite riders when the team cant pay their bills, and that was their situation for a while.
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I think you are refering to the Team manager and not the owner of YOT if they were going to be like PC where's the Dyno's...
I think you are refering to the Team manager and not the owner of YOT

if they were going to be like PC where's the Dyno's and all the Shop equipment ?

I doubt they had it and don't now.
No I am talking about the team owner and not the manager at that time.

Didnt you catch the part were I said he had the ambition but fell apart? YOT was on its way. Fonz, Reed, Ramsey, Roncada all won titles with them before they fell apart. At the time factory yamaha was building their motors while they were working on a engine program.

I know you think you are the know all insider, but maybe there are a few things you dont know.
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