Ponca City national moving

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jatharp12 12/13/2011 10:30am
12/13/2011 10:30am
The Norman track is less than a mile from my house. It is a great facility and an awesome location. However, the track itself kind of sucks. They have plenty of land, so I'm sure they could improve it. In regards to things to do, there is something for everyone in Norman and the okc metro area, way more than in Ponca.
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cmilktm 12/13/2011 12:18pm
12/13/2011 12:18pm
jmar wrote:
It's all about the infrastructure. Hotels, restaurants etc.

Now if the outdoor nats would take notice.
bigborefan wrote:
F&*K infrastructure, MX is supposed out be out in the boonies, sleep in the truck or in a tent. This sport is getting so watered down...
F&*K infrastructure, MX is supposed out be out in the boonies, sleep in the truck or in a tent. This sport is getting so watered down these days. And Loretta Lynns is not exactly in suburbia.

What is the story on the Norman track? Sand track down by the river? That would be nice.
jmar wrote:
The last thing armature racing is getting is "watered down". The kids are better prepared, and faster than ever. If you want to go camping, go...
The last thing armature racing is getting is "watered down". The kids are better prepared, and faster than ever. If you want to go camping, go fucking camping, but that has absolutely nothing to do with racing at the highest level of the sport.

As far as infrastructure? If you want to sport to grow, or even survive for that matter, pro level outdoor races need to be held closer to more densely populated area's where there is infrastructure. As far as Loretta's, we always stayed in Dixon, because you can only eat at Cat Fish Cabin so many times. The other few restaurants were shit holes.

Maybe you should have been a boy scout if you really are in to the camping thing.
If you want to grow the sport?
who are you kidding?
The motorcycle industry is not growing, its on a decline and has been for a very long time.
Don't confuse the growth of an inustry with growth of a sport.
This is all about $$ and growing amature mx and nothing more then growing anything but someones back pocket book!
I hate to see this race move, i like Ponca, its a cool place. It was a place that was tough and would make you or break you!
This is what happens when you don't change with the times.
Is the race date changing?
I always thought this race basically overlapping with Lorreta's was a joke anyways.
You want to grow the sport, make a real series where both lorreta's and Ponca/Norman are part of the same series and it means something!
Amature MX is getting way to expensive, and the manufactures are not helping shoving 4strokes down everybodies throat that you can't afford to run!
this sport has become a sport of the privaleged, not a sport for the commoner.
At least the midwest still has a race, could be worse!
I hope Ponca city does not close the track down or develope over it. !
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jmar 12/13/2011 5:58pm
12/13/2011 5:58pm
jatharp12 wrote:
The Norman track is less than a mile from my house. It is a great facility and an awesome location. However, the track itself kind of...
The Norman track is less than a mile from my house. It is a great facility and an awesome location. However, the track itself kind of sucks. They have plenty of land, so I'm sure they could improve it. In regards to things to do, there is something for everyone in Norman and the okc metro area, way more than in Ponca.
Great tracks can be built in a short amount of time.

Just look at Pala.

For the "MASSES" infrastructure, is key to the growth of this sport, and it will over ride nostalgia. Norman has plenty of places to stay, places to eat, and things to do for mom, and little sister. Average Joe and Tom spectator, who's girlfriends want's to have lunch and shop while Joe and Tom hang at the track, will also have an easier time sealing the deal with their better half's.
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jmar 12/13/2011 6:06pm
12/13/2011 6:06pm
bigborefan wrote:
F&*K infrastructure, MX is supposed out be out in the boonies, sleep in the truck or in a tent. This sport is getting so watered down...
F&*K infrastructure, MX is supposed out be out in the boonies, sleep in the truck or in a tent. This sport is getting so watered down these days. And Loretta Lynns is not exactly in suburbia.

What is the story on the Norman track? Sand track down by the river? That would be nice.
jmar wrote:
The last thing armature racing is getting is "watered down". The kids are better prepared, and faster than ever. If you want to go camping, go...
The last thing armature racing is getting is "watered down". The kids are better prepared, and faster than ever. If you want to go camping, go fucking camping, but that has absolutely nothing to do with racing at the highest level of the sport.

As far as infrastructure? If you want to sport to grow, or even survive for that matter, pro level outdoor races need to be held closer to more densely populated area's where there is infrastructure. As far as Loretta's, we always stayed in Dixon, because you can only eat at Cat Fish Cabin so many times. The other few restaurants were shit holes.

Maybe you should have been a boy scout if you really are in to the camping thing.
cmilktm wrote:
If you want to grow the sport? who are you kidding? The motorcycle industry is not growing, its on a decline and has been for a...
If you want to grow the sport?
who are you kidding?
The motorcycle industry is not growing, its on a decline and has been for a very long time.
Don't confuse the growth of an inustry with growth of a sport.
This is all about $$ and growing amature mx and nothing more then growing anything but someones back pocket book!
I hate to see this race move, i like Ponca, its a cool place. It was a place that was tough and would make you or break you!
This is what happens when you don't change with the times.
Is the race date changing?
I always thought this race basically overlapping with Lorreta's was a joke anyways.
You want to grow the sport, make a real series where both lorreta's and Ponca/Norman are part of the same series and it means something!
Amature MX is getting way to expensive, and the manufactures are not helping shoving 4strokes down everybodies throat that you can't afford to run!
this sport has become a sport of the privaleged, not a sport for the commoner.
At least the midwest still has a race, could be worse!
I hope Ponca city does not close the track down or develope over it. !
I guess I am not kidding you.Wink

I can assure you that the new facility will be offering the very same camping, gate fees, classes, and entry fees that Ponca offered.

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bigborefan 12/13/2011 6:35pm
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jatharp12 wrote:
The Norman track is less than a mile from my house. It is a great facility and an awesome location. However, the track itself kind of...
The Norman track is less than a mile from my house. It is a great facility and an awesome location. However, the track itself kind of sucks. They have plenty of land, so I'm sure they could improve it. In regards to things to do, there is something for everyone in Norman and the okc metro area, way more than in Ponca.
jmar wrote:
Great tracks can be built in a short amount of time. Just look at Pala. For the "MASSES" infrastructure, is key to the growth of this...
Great tracks can be built in a short amount of time.

Just look at Pala.

For the "MASSES" infrastructure, is key to the growth of this sport, and it will over ride nostalgia. Norman has plenty of places to stay, places to eat, and things to do for mom, and little sister. Average Joe and Tom spectator, who's girlfriends want's to have lunch and shop while Joe and Tom hang at the track, will also have an easier time sealing the deal with their better half's.
Watered down for the MASSES, outdoor Supercross maybe? Go ahead and put up the stadium.
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jmar 12/13/2011 7:11pm
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jatharp12 wrote:
The Norman track is less than a mile from my house. It is a great facility and an awesome location. However, the track itself kind of...
The Norman track is less than a mile from my house. It is a great facility and an awesome location. However, the track itself kind of sucks. They have plenty of land, so I'm sure they could improve it. In regards to things to do, there is something for everyone in Norman and the okc metro area, way more than in Ponca.
jmar wrote:
Great tracks can be built in a short amount of time. Just look at Pala. For the "MASSES" infrastructure, is key to the growth of this...
Great tracks can be built in a short amount of time.

Just look at Pala.

For the "MASSES" infrastructure, is key to the growth of this sport, and it will over ride nostalgia. Norman has plenty of places to stay, places to eat, and things to do for mom, and little sister. Average Joe and Tom spectator, who's girlfriends want's to have lunch and shop while Joe and Tom hang at the track, will also have an easier time sealing the deal with their better half's.
bigborefan wrote:
Watered down for the MASSES, outdoor Supercross maybe? Go ahead and put up the stadium.
I am not talking about supercross. I am talking about a good outdoor track. The masses are going to flock where there is infrastructure.

I don't know who you are, but you know who I am, and I have been to every armature national many times, and almost all of the pro level events more than once. . Spin it like you want, but my wife and younger son never liked hanging at the track with me and Jake.

As far as being able to do things out side of racing at an amateur national? The World Mini Grand Prix is the only one that can be fun for those who don't give two shits about racing. That's reality.
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cmilktm 12/14/2011 6:38am
12/14/2011 6:38am
Dude don't blow a valve man!
I hope Norman does a good job!
I hope this race and format remains largely unchanged it is and has growth.

I believe its about the only race left a normal person who does not want to mortgage the house, and sell the farm, can qualify, enter ,and have a shot and get some attention.
Just saying moving a race or fixing up facilities to make racers and spectators happy so mom will go watch is growth for that particular race or series and income for that group.
It however is not growing the sport, or the motorcycle industry or the sport of motorcycling in general.
If all these races were growing the industry the manufacturers would not have to be cutting back as much as they are.
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neysbo 12/14/2011 6:45am
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looks like we may have another situation like the Spring Classic with Mill Creek and Freestone. It sounds like the NMA is moving the race to this new track at Norman, yet the owners of Ponca are interviewing promoters from all over and plan to still run the National race at the Ponca track.

With so many people and teams fed up with the NMA , if Ponca gets the right promoter they may not miss a beat and the National goes on under a new promoter and organization.
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Jammer1 12/14/2011 10:21pm
12/14/2011 10:21pm Edited Date/Time 12/14/2011 10:23pm
They should honestly just eliminate the national or let Mill Creek have this summer national. Freestone could then continue the Texas tradition and it would be good for travel all the way around. This would be considering everyone traveling, racers, families and the factory's. The Ponca track is not a national track and they damn sure do not run the event worth a damn. Track is one lined, because it is not wide enough for real racing. Then you don't have an adequate crew both in knowledge and #s to work the track and then there is water, Geez! To have a real good national track, you need plenty of land and natural elevation changes, non of which the Norman facility has. Why have an event on a flat piece of small land? Word to the wise, just head on to Loretta's early as most have been gradually doing year by year. No need in waisting the money. I've been there and it is pathetic. Maybe they will have a supermoto national, along with Go Cart races. Actually, that is the exact type of design that would work.
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thatdad 12/15/2011 2:29am
12/15/2011 2:29am
The entire am national system is a a mess. With the exception of lorettas, the motos are short and the promoters are looking for every opportunity to squeeze another couple dollars out of the suckers that continue to attend. I do not understand how they survive in the current economy.
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kzizok 12/15/2011 3:55am
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Jammer1 wrote:
They should honestly just eliminate the national or let Mill Creek have this summer national. Freestone could then continue the Texas tradition and it would be...
They should honestly just eliminate the national or let Mill Creek have this summer national. Freestone could then continue the Texas tradition and it would be good for travel all the way around. This would be considering everyone traveling, racers, families and the factory's. The Ponca track is not a national track and they damn sure do not run the event worth a damn. Track is one lined, because it is not wide enough for real racing. Then you don't have an adequate crew both in knowledge and #s to work the track and then there is water, Geez! To have a real good national track, you need plenty of land and natural elevation changes, non of which the Norman facility has. Why have an event on a flat piece of small land? Word to the wise, just head on to Loretta's early as most have been gradually doing year by year. No need in waisting the money. I've been there and it is pathetic. Maybe they will have a supermoto national, along with Go Cart races. Actually, that is the exact type of design that would work.
So what is your conclusion?
lostboy819 12/22/2011 12:08pm
12/22/2011 12:08pm
December 21, 2011

ABC RACE ASSOICATION AND AMBUCS FORM A LONG TERM PARTNERSHIP WITH RPM SPORTS

RPM Sports has agreed to a long term partnership to continue the Ponca City National Championship starting in 2012. According to Tom Burg, Race Board Chairman, "after sorting through the resumes and phone interviews we have reached an agreement with RPM Sports to promote and manage the event." "The AMBUCS and I would like to thank all of the promoters that took the interest in continuing this great event for the City of Ponca City ", said Burg.

The committee concluded the task at hand and reached a unanimous decision to contract with RPM Sports. "RPM Sports, no doubt has the experience in all categories we were looking for and have an excellent reputation for getting the job done. The industry has a lot of confidence in RPM Sports and that meant a lot to us. We are handing over the keys to a company that is committed to safety, track maintenance, design, promotion and display the same passion for motocross as we do. RPM is simply a well rounded company, and we are very fortunate to have reached an agreement with them. RPM Sports has designed and built or remodeled over a dozen motocross facilities to date, with 3 on the drawing board for 2012. RPM Sports also owns one of the top rated motocross facilities in the county. Sitting amidst 135 acres of pristine countryside, MillCreek Mx Park is home to one of 3 AMA amateur national events, The Thor AMA Spring Classic, held in March. Allen McWilliams, President of RPM Sports LLC., is a past AMA Congressman, is presently an AMA Alternate Congressman and RPM Sports has been nominated for the AMA Promoter of the Year. RPM Sports currently own or operate:

* 8 facilities throughout the Southeast
* The Thor AMA Spring Classic (AMA) MillCreek Mx Park Pell City, Alabama
* AMA ATV Pro Nationals (televised) MillCreek Mx Park Pell City, Alabama
* Loretta Lynn Southeast Regional Championship MillCreek Mx Park Pell City, Alabama
* DuQuion Fall Championship DuQuion, Illinois
* Suzuki, Subway, ONE Industry Vurb Classic – Reynolds, Georgia
* Kawasaki Good Time Pro Am MillCreek Mx Park Pell City, Alabama
* Yamaha of Byron Pro Am Roberta, Georgia
* FMF Challenger Cup MillCreek Mx Park Pell City, Alabama
* Fly Racing Southern Classic Championship Series Alabama and Georgia
* Best of Alabama/Georgia Series
* FMF Sponsors Cup Series Alabama
* Big Chill Showdown Alabama, Georgia, Florida
* Alabama Hot Summer Night Series

Allen, and his crew have assisted in the running of the Loretta Lynn AMA Amateur Nationals, partnered with the Porch Creek Indians and the Wind Creek Casino hosting events. RPM Sports has recently contracted with the state of Illinois to construct a new motocross facility at the DuQuion State Fairgrounds in DuQuion Illinois. The AMBUCS and the ABC Race Association are excited to see all the changes that will be taking place for the 2012 Ponca City National Championship", continued Chairman Burg. The AMBUCS look forward to seeing all of their friends this summer and they want to thank everyone for their continued support of this great event!

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