Carey Hart and the so called 'first ever backflip bike'..

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englishman 12/6/2011 2:53pm
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BESTY #72 wrote:
Aha! Was that the one part of the flip pack? Where you had the handlebars to control it? And it run of a little arn that...
Aha! Was that the one part of the flip pack? Where you had the handlebars to control it? And it run of a little arn that connected to the rider and he'd just do flip after flip? I still mine boxed. Lol!
What my English friend is trying to say is:

"Aha! Was that bike part of the flip pack? Where you had the handlebars to control it, it ran off a little arm that connected to the rider and he'd just do flip after flip? I still have mine in it's box. Lol! "

Besty you've got to lay off the beer a bit when posting.
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Hando 12/6/2011 2:54pm
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At your average British Motocross track, how many riders/racers are Chavs?
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bartoner 12/6/2011 2:55pm
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LOL...i got what he was tryin to say....nah this is just the boring toy that does nothing but sit there....it came with the carey hart figure too...its around here somewhere...
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40Plus_922mx 12/6/2011 3:06pm
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I thought the first backflip (not landed) was a crazy dude on one of Godfreys earlier movies? (Children of a metal god maybe?

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BESTY #72 12/6/2011 3:09pm
12/6/2011 3:09pm Edited Date/Time 12/6/2011 3:40pm
BESTY #72 wrote:
As you have probaby all watched the HH intro video, you know that Carey handed over the 'first ever backflip bike'.. This is a obviously a...
As you have probaby all watched the HH intro video, you know that Carey handed over the 'first ever backflip bike'.. This is a obviously a lie, as for the first flip he was an all out moto xxx guy, running their famous dice graphics. But in all the pics, the bike has flame graphics from one industries.

The bike he handed over was the one from 01? Dizzy The year he crashed the flip indoors..

It's still kind of a memory of a flip bike, but unless he kept the same bike for those years, he's a: "Big fat phoney". But, to add to that, he's said "hasnt been started since i rode it off course".. He didnt ride 'off course' he was on a stretcher..

And, If he hadnt ridden it, why the new gaphics and why the new works connection quick adjust clutch?

The actual bike:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUAt5WwtaX0

The so called 'backflip bike' handed over:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU7ToD0O57c

Before anyones quick to junp in and say "same bike".. Check out the wheels, exhaust etc.. Added with the fact you literally started a revolution on the thing, so why not keep it exactly how it is..?

I'll still love him and the whole HH crew. Just dislike being lied to. But on a funny side, least his stitched up the casino's for once..
Rizzo wrote:
"he didn't ride it off course, he was on a stretcher" You type that BS but link a video that shows him run to the top...
"he didn't ride it off course, he was on a stretcher"

You type that BS but link a video that shows him run to the top of the jump in excitement, his dad comes running out and hugs him, etc etc. Where does the stretcher come in? Call into the Pulp MX Show on Monday and talk to Watson, he will give you the run down I'm sure........................right before he says "Go Hang Yourself"
Well, as now shown/ said/ proven whatever it isnt the bike.

If you werent a complete retard, you'd relaize that the stretcher applied to the second video!? From the crash? Which shows the second bike? That was the point I was making. Surely you'd realize that, if you were as intelligent as youre making out?

Watson.. Etc. Is in, on the bike given over being labelled as "the first backflip bike" as he worked at plano honda, who were giving him bikes in 01. Whereas in 00, when he was riding for Moto XXX ! Plus the fact Watsons a respected Team Manager. He's not going to shout a load of abuse to a teenager on air, because they pointed out that the his boss gave a sponsor a wrong bike. Is he?

So, I finish this with the point that if anyone should hang themself. It is in fact you..
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BESTY #72 12/6/2011 3:22pm
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Hando wrote:
At your average British Motocross track, how many riders/racers are Chavs?
Do you even know what a chav is? (without googling the term!)

Talking like you know? With the most ridiculous tribal tats up youre arm..

It's Council House And Violent.

I don't live in a council house. So that's that one ruled out. And I'm not violent.

Well, unless some complete retard like yourself, comes on here. Attempting to 'Mug me off' (some chavvy vocab for you. Which I'm sure you're down with).

As, we've established the definition of a chav. I move on to the next remark. I'm sure you've seen the economic climate..? So, as 'chav's' come from council housing, theyre generally not too well off. So motocross is pretty much out the question. I guess it's the same for you? Too poor to actually go ride, you have to start making pathetic remarks to people who can actually ride on a forum, yeah?

In response to the "whinny chav" comment, I'm sure you'd scratch youre head and think. Wait. I'm whinning about a whinner hear.. Oh, it's ok. I'll pretend I'm some kind of interlectual and ignore the fact I'm being a hypercrit. Just jog on. You are boring. You know nothing. And are just a waste of time really. Anything to say to that?
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BESTY #72 12/6/2011 3:29pm
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BESTY #72 wrote:
Aha! Was that the one part of the flip pack? Where you had the handlebars to control it? And it run of a little arn that...
Aha! Was that the one part of the flip pack? Where you had the handlebars to control it? And it run of a little arn that connected to the rider and he'd just do flip after flip? I still mine boxed. Lol!
englishman wrote:
What my English friend is trying to say is: "Aha! Was that bike part of the flip pack? Where you had the handlebars to control it...
What my English friend is trying to say is:

"Aha! Was that bike part of the flip pack? Where you had the handlebars to control it, it ran off a little arm that connected to the rider and he'd just do flip after flip? I still have mine in it's box. Lol! "

Besty you've got to lay off the beer a bit when posting.
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SMITH201 12/6/2011 4:34pm
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F all this BS. Mad respect to Carey to pull that with no practice in foam pits. He was like Evel, just go out and huck it! Smile
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Sherwood 12/6/2011 5:25pm
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BNG makes it a different bike?
leakypipe23 12/6/2011 5:50pm
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I given it some thought, and still can't figure out why anyone would care.
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MXEditor 12/6/2011 6:09pm
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I wuz there in Providence too. Awesome. BIG BALLS!
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GuyB 12/6/2011 6:11pm
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leakypipe23 wrote:
I given it some thought, and still can't figure out why anyone would care.
Ding, ding, ding.
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Sherwood 12/6/2011 6:32pm
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Hart and motoxxx had a falling out I thought. Why would he advertise them for free?
OG MOTO XXX 12/6/2011 9:31pm
12/6/2011 9:31pm
So you no one can see why i would care? I do care...you think Mitch would be bummed if one of his PC riders won a race or championship and then displayed the winning bike with different graphics on it? Is it not the same kinda thing? On another note, i would really like to know what this "falling out" with Moto XXX was that Carey had. Its funny how some of the riders act in the past. I have a whole outlook on that but, wont go into it here at the moment but ya, in a nutshell, a lot of the time i felt like we were under appreciated for the efforts we put out and the help we gave.
crashnburn11 12/6/2011 9:44pm
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OG MOTO XXX wrote:
So you no one can see why i would care? I do care...you think Mitch would be bummed if one of his PC riders won a...
So you no one can see why i would care? I do care...you think Mitch would be bummed if one of his PC riders won a race or championship and then displayed the winning bike with different graphics on it? Is it not the same kinda thing? On another note, i would really like to know what this "falling out" with Moto XXX was that Carey had. Its funny how some of the riders act in the past. I have a whole outlook on that but, wont go into it here at the moment but ya, in a nutshell, a lot of the time i felt like we were under appreciated for the efforts we put out and the help we gave.
Honestly OG, you're are one of the few people who really should care, and you guys get mad props from me for what you did for the privateers.

But, I mean, if someone put different graphics on one of mitch's PC bikes would I care? no, not really. Mitch would most certainly care though, as it kind of trivializes everything he did for that rider.
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Sherwood 12/6/2011 9:49pm
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OG MOTO XXX wrote:
So you no one can see why i would care? I do care...you think Mitch would be bummed if one of his PC riders won a...
So you no one can see why i would care? I do care...you think Mitch would be bummed if one of his PC riders won a race or championship and then displayed the winning bike with different graphics on it? Is it not the same kinda thing? On another note, i would really like to know what this "falling out" with Moto XXX was that Carey had. Its funny how some of the riders act in the past. I have a whole outlook on that but, wont go into it here at the moment but ya, in a nutshell, a lot of the time i felt like we were under appreciated for the efforts we put out and the help we gave.
I just heard on the pulpmx show something about Carey taking the graphics off before or after his backflip because of a falling out or some crap.

Honestly though I understand why your mad. I'd probably be more pissed than you. I can see both sides...Faintly
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Tumblin 12/6/2011 10:46pm
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Fact: Caleb Wyatt handled the 1st succesfull back flip.

respect to Carey for lighting up the sickness that followed that 1st launch.
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MtnBoy 12/6/2011 11:13pm
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leakypipe23 wrote:
I given it some thought, and still can't figure out why anyone would care.
This...

But while we're on the topic, lets see some pics!

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zookrider62! 12/7/2011 6:22am
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Tumblin wrote:
Fact: Caleb Wyatt handled the 1st succesfull back flip.

respect to Carey for lighting up the sickness that followed that 1st launch.
finally someone knows a little bit of history.

And yes it is shitty that the graphics were changed
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BESTY #72 12/7/2011 10:29am
12/7/2011 10:29am Edited Date/Time 12/7/2011 10:31am
leakypipe23 wrote:
I given it some thought, and still can't figure out why anyone would care.
GuyB wrote:
Ding, ding, ding.
Well, if you're defending Carey by saying "Why does it matter" Or "Why would anyone care" he did the flip. Big respect.. Then you'd want to see the actual bike, no? Plus, look at the Moto XXX guys comment. You're telling me, if you'd sponsored a rider, given him a bike and everything for him to go and do the first flip. For him to then make it even bigger down the line, and publically display a different bike with different sponsors, you wouldnt care?

It changed our sport, forever. The bike should be the one it was, and remain like that forever.

This thread was mentioned by Watson on the Pulp MX show, (So I've been told) so it's getting attention, and is clearly of some relevancy. As I admitted, half of what I initially wrote, was complete BS. But, If I'd simply written. It's the wrong bike. There'd be a million comments of "No it's not. Bla, bla." So, whatever. If you really don't care. Why voice youre opinion?

People like me, like to point out when someone has done something wrong. The cruddy old Hond that will now be known as the "backflip bike" Isn't at all. And that's wrong. So, say what you like. But, It's not the bike and I'm right for pointing it out. If RC was to hand over one his bikes and say: "say here's my championship winning bike from...." and it wasn't. Every one would have commented on the thread, so whatever. Do your worst.. Wink
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BESTY #72 12/7/2011 10:34am
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Tumblin wrote:
Fact: Caleb Wyatt handled the 1st succesfull back flip.

respect to Carey for lighting up the sickness that followed that 1st launch.
zookrider62! wrote:
finally someone knows a little bit of history.

And yes it is shitty that the graphics were changed
Thank you for the graphic comment. But, I have to say that on closer inspection it is not the same bike at all. I can't decide whether thats worse or not.

I'm not going to pass any judgment on the Caleb Wyatt comment, as even though I love HH and am continuously looking to do up a Kx 125 to look like their new bikes. I'm labelled as a hater. So I can't add to that..
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BESTY #72 12/7/2011 10:39am
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Sherwood wrote:
Hart and motoxxx had a falling out I thought. Why would he advertise them for free?
He'd do it, because it's what's right. I know when deals go bad, you do anything to forget and remove their logo's or whatever, but when it's something like this. I don't think it's right at all. I mean, advertising them for free, was and will always be done for free. If people see the bike, they'll watch the clip. Like they did at the ceremony, and when you look at the clip it markets MOTO XXX, so you might as well, take the good with the bad and be true, to the guys that helped you out. No?
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BESTY #72 12/7/2011 10:45am
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OG MOTO XXX wrote:
So you no one can see why i would care? I do care...you think Mitch would be bummed if one of his PC riders won a...
So you no one can see why i would care? I do care...you think Mitch would be bummed if one of his PC riders won a race or championship and then displayed the winning bike with different graphics on it? Is it not the same kinda thing? On another note, i would really like to know what this "falling out" with Moto XXX was that Carey had. Its funny how some of the riders act in the past. I have a whole outlook on that but, wont go into it here at the moment but ya, in a nutshell, a lot of the time i felt like we were under appreciated for the efforts we put out and the help we gave.
And now, is another example of the under appreciation. I know a majority of what I said was crap. But, I had to justify what I wrote. I'm glad you commented on here. Not to back up what I'm saying, by any means, but point out your side of it.

In my mind, and in the video of him doing it. The bike is a Moto XXX bike and that's how it should be. Also, I ask you if thats the bike at all. In the clip the bike has odd wheels, a chrome pipe and obviously most notable your graphics. And it just doesnt add up at all, to the one that is now labelled "the first flip bike". Is there any chance you can post some pics of the original bike?
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zookrider62! 12/7/2011 11:14am
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Tumblin wrote:
Fact: Caleb Wyatt handled the 1st succesfull back flip.

respect to Carey for lighting up the sickness that followed that 1st launch.
zookrider62! wrote:
finally someone knows a little bit of history.

And yes it is shitty that the graphics were changed
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Thank you for the graphic comment. But, I have to say that on closer inspection it is not the same bike at all. I can't decide...
Thank you for the graphic comment. But, I have to say that on closer inspection it is not the same bike at all. I can't decide whether thats worse or not.

I'm not going to pass any judgment on the Caleb Wyatt comment, as even though I love HH and am continuously looking to do up a Kx 125 to look like their new bikes. I'm labelled as a hater. So I can't add to that..
is their a pic of the bike that he offered? It could have been his first successful back flip bike
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BESTY #72 12/7/2011 12:35pm
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Well, click the link on the first page. Or just literally write "carey hart first backflip" on youtube it comes up. Pause it, at around 12secs as he goes down the roll in. Then get up the pics from the HH Dodge motorsports team intro video and compare them.

It has to be a different bike. Check the chrome exhaust, Graphics, wheel set... The lot. If you had a done the first flip, you'd never change the bike.
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Foster576 12/7/2011 12:41pm
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BESTY #72 wrote:
Thank you! It all went down to Plano and Watsons previous relationship with them. I know half of what i wrote up there is complete sh$t...
Thank you! It all went down to Plano and Watsons previous relationship with them. I know half of what i wrote up there is complete sh$t. But, I'd had a few, and if I'd literally written "It's the wrong bike" there'd be a million people telling me what a dick I am, as opposed to a few tards who are incapable of noticing that me saying about the bike, is completely irrelevant to Carey doing the flip. Jheez if people were capable of actually taking in what they read..

My initial point was the bike that will now be seen by thousands of people as the: "first backflip bike" isn't in fact at all the first back flip bike! I wasn't taking away the flip from Carey like some people are saying (mongs). He did the flip (obviously some people disagree to that and made it clear on here). Big respect to Carey for changing fmx forever, but he's completely done over that stupid casino guy.

It's not the same bike, It's a different one. If you're saying you "don't care" and are argueing that he did the flip and will always be remembered for it. It's necessary for people to actually remember it. I do clearly and I also remember he was riding a complete Moto XXX bike. Not some shady ass flame bike, thats from around the same era. As said above, (actually by Moto xxx) it's a Moto xxx bike and that's how it should be.

You've fooled the Indians, but not me Carey! Wink
Maybe just maybe he got some new sponsors after his first time he flipped it and wanted to keep the same bike for X-Games since he almost rode away the first time on it so he got new graphics pipe and wheels from the sponsor to spruce up the look of the bike for X-Games because of the publicity...?
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zookrider62! 12/7/2011 1:23pm
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BESTY #72 wrote:
Well, click the link on the first page. Or just literally write "carey hart first backflip" on youtube it comes up. Pause it, at around 12secs...
Well, click the link on the first page. Or just literally write "carey hart first backflip" on youtube it comes up. Pause it, at around 12secs as he goes down the roll in. Then get up the pics from the HH Dodge motorsports team intro video and compare them.

It has to be a different bike. Check the chrome exhaust, Graphics, wheel set... The lot. If you had a done the first flip, you'd never change the bike.
well it is definitely the bike that he crashed on at X with. Maybe he freshened up the gravity games bike, im not sure im not him. To say he would never change the bike is a bit of a guess. FMX wasnt huge bucks back then so he might have just changed up his old bike
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BESTY #72 12/7/2011 5:39pm
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Maybe just maybe he got some new sponsors after his first time he flipped it and wanted to keep the same bike for X-Games since he...
Maybe just maybe he got some new sponsors after his first time he flipped it and wanted to keep the same bike for X-Games since he almost rode away the first time on it so he got new graphics pipe and wheels from the sponsor to spruce up the look of the bike for X-Games because of the publicity...?
I don't know. Back in those days bikes were cheap. If you were going to re-vamp youre entire bike, you'd buy a new cs it made sense. Plus No fear would have given him a ton of money for the adverts of him flipping. And he had his hook up at Plano honda in 01 (current team manager of HH), surely they would have hooked him up with a new bike? Besides, if he was with Moto XXX before, surely he would have had a spare bike to use?

The fact of the it being the same bike, isn't the main issue though. As, Carey said, and i quote "the exhaust has gone a bit rusty, where I havent touched the thing since I rode it off course.." If he is trying to say it's the first flip bike, watch the video. Chrome pipe, and the entire bike is completely different to how it is now. And it has a works connection clutch perch on it now? WTF? So he has in fact 'touched' it. He may have meant it applied to 01, (if he kept the same bike, like you said) but, when he crashed it at X games, he didnt ride the bike of course, as he left for the hospital instead. And it still has the modern WC clutch on it. So either ways, lies are all around this thing.

I'd like to hear more from the Moto XXX guy, who is in the position to give more info as to what went on back in the day, as well as even currently. As apparently Watson contacted him about this thread- I guess in a bad way. So, it'd be good to actually find out.
OG MOTO XXX 12/7/2011 6:33pm
12/7/2011 6:33pm Edited Date/Time 12/7/2011 6:36pm
Besty, appreciate the support but slow down a lil. Watson never contacted me in a bad way ok. I actually hit him up after seeing the press debut video. Then i called into Pulpmx for a quick chat too. There is no big hard feelings going on here. Its just a FACT that, when Carey flipped his bike, he was riding for Moto XXX, and he was running Moto XXX graphics on his bike. So, if the bike is to be displayed as the bike he did the backflip on, it should have Moto XXX graphics on it....PERIOD!!!
It would be like if Deegan had possession of his Moto XXX Ghost Ride bike and put it on display with Metal Mulisha graphics...right? That would be incorrect. I own the Ghost Ride bike and id be really bummed to see it being displayed with different graphics. Thats why im not happy about Carey's bike. Is it a big deal? Well, fans that are going to look at the bike, im sure 90% of them will have no idea if it was or wasnt the bike. They will just assume it of course is. I just dont think its right, and i dont think its very cool either. Its been noted or rumored or whatever, that Carey was bummed on Moto XXX? I am going to try and find out why cause i honestly dont know. I posted two pictures of the Moto XXX / Carey Hart toy bike on our facebook page. Not sure how to post a picture here and probably no need to either. The toy bike thats posted in this thread is very cool. Moto XXX might not be alive and well at the moment but, im VERY proud of what we did and what we accomplished in the MX/FMX world so ya, i get a bit defensive with this sort of stuff and dont think im outa line at all~

pics here> www.facebook.com/motoxxx
dirtcyclewill 12/7/2011 6:41pm
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zookrider62! wrote:
is their a pic of the bike that he offered? It could have been his first successful back flip bike

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