I think you people in USA got owned

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12/2/2011 10:03am Edited Date/Time 12/2/2011 10:05am
Yeah The Fed sold those banks money at .97 cents for each dollar and then the banks turned around and loaned it back to Fanny and Freddie at interest.

Fucking brilliant........we're fucked.
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12/2/2011 10:06am
Either eay, were still in debt over 15 trilion.
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12/2/2011 12:16pm
well at least you figured out who to blame, that's the most important part.

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kongols
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12/2/2011 12:21pm
bwh998 wrote:
well at least you figured out who to blame, that's the most important part.
I did not. I put it there because every thread here starts with Obama being blamed for everything so I mentioned right away that it started while Bush was still in office.
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12/2/2011 12:55pm
Some day I hope people, Americans included realize we don't have a king and can't just blaim one person.
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12/2/2011 1:44pm
Sherwood wrote:
Some day I hope people, Americans included realize we don't have a king and can't just blaim one person.
didn't you know that blaming the other guy erases all of the other candidates fuck-ups?
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12/2/2011 2:22pm
Sherwood wrote:
Some day I hope people, Americans included realize we don't have a king and can't just blaim one person.
bwh998 wrote:
didn't you know that blaming the other guy erases all of the other candidates fuck-ups?
Yup, and two wrongs make a right....if your an Obama fan...and Bush made the same mistakes obama made, then you're A-O-K...and visa versa. It's a lovely thought at least.
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12/2/2011 2:34pm
Bail Outs...off the top of my head.
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I have been saying over and over, that the banks haven't paid back shit, and that we were still giving them money, and there is even more than what you are reading with this article.
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12/2/2011 8:40pm
cart shaking the horse so hard that all the money falls out of our pockets and into theirs. Pretty fucking obvious!

Wonder what a Country would look like if lobbyists ran it?
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12/2/2011 8:56pm
Titan1 wrote:
Bail Outs...off the top of my head.
If I am not mistaken the bail outs were put into place when Bush was in office and Obama had no choice since they were already in motion. Maybe not all of them, but I am sure that a good portion were approved under Bush.
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12/3/2011 6:47am
i didnt think kong was blaming obama or bush. i thought he was giving the credit where it is due, us.
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12/3/2011 7:57am
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i didnt think kong was blaming obama or bush. i thought he was giving the credit where it is due, us.
He was blaming Bush. Same thing Obama does.

Fact is, every president is responsible for everything going on. It's called "The Buck Stops Here". Doesn't matter if it was a previously existing problem or not. When you run for and win election to the presidency, everything there is now your responsibility. It's now your problem. You can sit around and whine about who caused what and what isn't your fault. Or you can be the leader your country elected you to be (including the ones who didn't vote for you) and make the right decisions, lead from the front, and be responsible for everything under your watch.

If you do that and the people approve, you will get your re-election without even having a campaign.
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12/3/2011 8:12am
Mod Killer wrote:
i didnt think kong was blaming obama or bush. i thought he was giving the credit where it is due, us.
SteveS wrote:
He was blaming Bush. Same thing Obama does. Fact is, every president is responsible for everything going on. It's called "The Buck Stops Here". Doesn't matter...
He was blaming Bush. Same thing Obama does.

Fact is, every president is responsible for everything going on. It's called "The Buck Stops Here". Doesn't matter if it was a previously existing problem or not. When you run for and win election to the presidency, everything there is now your responsibility. It's now your problem. You can sit around and whine about who caused what and what isn't your fault. Or you can be the leader your country elected you to be (including the ones who didn't vote for you) and make the right decisions, lead from the front, and be responsible for everything under your watch.

If you do that and the people approve, you will get your re-election without even having a campaign.
To an extent, you're right, but somethings wind up in the "beyond our control" area.
Any existing debt when an incoming president walks in is not his/her fault...It's is a preexisting issue.
Any laws passed prior to taking office are preexisting issues
Any actions taken by or issues discovered in regards to the previous administration is not the fault of the present administration.

This applies to every and all administrations.

That's like you starting a new sales job this monday, and then being blamed for the lack of sales three weeks ago.

Yes, a majority of issues eventually falls into the lap of the existing administration, but to say that absolutely none of the actions of a previous administration is a factor, is ridiculous.

This applies at all levels
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12/3/2011 8:31am Edited Date/Time 12/3/2011 8:33am
The president has to come in knowing all those things which existed prior to his election are going to be his to deal with.

He's elected to be a leader of the country as it is, and he can either lead, by taking ownership and moving ahead, or he can sit and whine and point fingers.

People are not so stupid as to not understand that the present was built on the past. But if there's a problem, the best way to get people behind you and working for a better future is to be up front and leading by drawing people together, not dividing them and pitting them against each other by pointing fingers and alienating the people.

It's a difficult job in the best of times. It's even harder in times of trouble. But the best way to make the job easier is to keep the people--all the people together and working against the problem and your enemies.
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12/3/2011 8:37am
Might know it, doesn't make it his or her fault.

As for getting "all the people together" that's kind of difficult with the leaders and members of the opposition party saying their number one priority is making you a one term President.
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12/3/2011 8:54am
I think the point when it comes to "the buck stops here" is that people want someone to just say they are going to take ownership of the problems and fix them. Pointing out who screwed the pooch isn't getting us anywhere at this point.

If Obama would say something like, "we are where we are. Time to stop looking in the rear view mirror and start moving forward." He'd get more respect than his speeches were he talks about how he inherited all this shit. We know he inherited it. We get that. JMO.
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12/3/2011 9:04am
txmxer wrote:
I think the point when it comes to "the buck stops here" is that people want someone to just say they are going to take ownership...
I think the point when it comes to "the buck stops here" is that people want someone to just say they are going to take ownership of the problems and fix them. Pointing out who screwed the pooch isn't getting us anywhere at this point.

If Obama would say something like, "we are where we are. Time to stop looking in the rear view mirror and start moving forward." He'd get more respect than his speeches were he talks about how he inherited all this shit. We know he inherited it. We get that. JMO.
I agree. I think it would have been best to say that.

But, I don't think people get he inherited it.

Here's evidence right here, just posted yesterday - http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Non-Moto,21/January-3-2007,1228998

Seems he and the whack-job website blame everything on this administration and everything was fine on January 3, 2007, implying that everything went to hell in a handbasket the day Obama took office a year later.
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flarider wrote:
I agree. I think it would have been best to say that. But, I don't think people get he inherited it. Here's evidence right here, just...
I agree. I think it would have been best to say that.

But, I don't think people get he inherited it.

Here's evidence right here, just posted yesterday - http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Non-Moto,21/January-3-2007,1228998

Seems he and the whack-job website blame everything on this administration and everything was fine on January 3, 2007, implying that everything went to hell in a handbasket the day Obama took office a year later.
Of course that's all just partisan BS and lies (especially since we now know Newt was paid A LOT of money by Fannie and Freddie)...so, you can spend your time arguing with an obvious idiot, or you can look forward towards solutions.

Much like arguing with Horndog...simply doesn't care about the truth (unless it accidentally happens to support their warped and hateful views).

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