435 billion dollars...

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 3:39pm
I was listening to Bloomberg radio today and heard one of the stock analysts say that US corporations are so flush with cash they don't know what to do with it - so US corporations plan $435 billion in stock repurchases next year.

Think about that for a minute.

In the time period 2008 - 2010, US taxpayers pushed about $700 billion into the US economy, almost exclusively in the form of finanical support for people who buy things; the unemployed, policemen, firemen, teachers, tax breaks for the middle class including reductions in payroll taxes, support for small businesses, etc. They poured money into people who would spend it, and thus would multiply it. US corporations were the beneficiaries of that, and they have logged record profits since then. US corporations have banked around 1.5 trillion dollar in excess cash. It's so much cash their boards of directors are telling those CEOs they need to do something with it - they can't just let it sit in the bank.

So those corporations have a couple of options - they can do some hiring, some expanding, some R&D, some replacement of aging equipment. Or they can buy back stock so they can raise stock prices and increase earnings per share (a totally theoretical and irrelevant number). So do they hire? Do they expand? Do they spend it on R&D? No. They buy back stock.

When they buy back stock, they don't funnel the money into the economy where it can multiply like the stimulus money did. Since the money doesn't multiply, it doesn't help the deficit or expand the consumer middle class. It goes to investors. And those investors pay roughly 1/2 the tax rates that average people do (the conservative-beloved "capital gains" tax rate of 15%), so the deficit continues to explode.

What would you do if you loaned a friend money to start a business because you really believed in him, and he got rich, then gave the money to the richest guy he knew? That's what America just did.

Capitalism is an engine that runs like this - people get ideas to start businesses, they hire workers to make their vision a reality, those workers express their inner creativity and productivity, the business thrives, the owner makes money and he pays his workers well, who go out and spend money on other products made by other creative and productive people, who make money and they spend it on other products made by other creative and productive people...

But we don't do that today. Today, we take the value of creativity and productivity and pour it into a dead end called the uber rich 1%. I guess that's how a capitalist country stops being capitalist and becomes an oligarchy.
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11/14/2011 5:41pm
My guess is that these US corporations, are Large banks, hedge funds, or other wall street (not main street) types of companies.

That 435 billion is basically more paper bullshit, that in reality is debt for the rest of us.
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11/14/2011 5:55pm
the people that own most corps are private or were previously private but still are mostly owned by those who got the bailouts after the leveraged buyouts in the 80's. its amazing studying those times reveal so many of the names who make the laws to protect us now. the hen house.........
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TriRacer27 wrote:
Job creators!
And somehow they say that with a straight face.

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11/14/2011 6:05pm Edited Date/Time 11/14/2011 6:06pm
Who's stupid fucking idea was it to give away 700billion? (Actually it was closer to a trillion if you add in Bush's contribution.)
Luckily the idiot that started it was termed out and even luckier still, the idiot that ramped it up and doubled down is facing re election soon. I hope the voters have learned their lesson on the "stimulus" fairytale.
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TriRacer27 wrote:
Job creators!
WhKnuckle wrote:
And somehow they say that with a straight face.
They are waiting for the second wave of the storm to hit, then they will be in a position to start spending it.

BTW: The American taxpayer, made them whole again so they could build up that 435 billion dollar eggs nest. And our elected officials are the one's to credit with allowing the fraud to continue so they could build up that eggs nest with our money, and tuck it away (instead of putting it back into the economy) for the next storm.
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borg wrote:
Who's stupid fucking idea was it to give away 700billion? (Actually it was closer to a trillion if you add in Bush's contribution.) Luckily the idiot...
Who's stupid fucking idea was it to give away 700billion? (Actually it was closer to a trillion if you add in Bush's contribution.)
Luckily the idiot that started it was termed out and even luckier still, the idiot that ramped it up and doubled down is facing re election soon. I hope the voters have learned their lesson on the "stimulus" fairytale.
Yes, they were both naive. They both thought America was still a capitalist country. Now we know better.
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borg wrote:
Who's stupid fucking idea was it to give away 700billion? (Actually it was closer to a trillion if you add in Bush's contribution.) Luckily the idiot...
Who's stupid fucking idea was it to give away 700billion? (Actually it was closer to a trillion if you add in Bush's contribution.)
Luckily the idiot that started it was termed out and even luckier still, the idiot that ramped it up and doubled down is facing re election soon. I hope the voters have learned their lesson on the "stimulus" fairytale.
WhKnuckle wrote:
Yes, they were both naive. They both thought America was still a capitalist country. Now we know better.
I'm not sure what we have now. It's a far cry from capitalism though.
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11/14/2011 6:21pm
borg wrote:
Who's stupid fucking idea was it to give away 700billion? (Actually it was closer to a trillion if you add in Bush's contribution.) Luckily the idiot...
Who's stupid fucking idea was it to give away 700billion? (Actually it was closer to a trillion if you add in Bush's contribution.)
Luckily the idiot that started it was termed out and even luckier still, the idiot that ramped it up and doubled down is facing re election soon. I hope the voters have learned their lesson on the "stimulus" fairytale.
WhKnuckle wrote:
Yes, they were both naive. They both thought America was still a capitalist country. Now we know better.
borg wrote:
I'm not sure what we have now. It's a far cry from capitalism though.
It's today's capitalism.
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11/14/2011 10:01pm
New term, "Today's Capitalism" Could mean anything, possibly something scary.
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You guys should get off their backs. They still have to bring home all their untaxed foreign profits when they have the second "one time" tax holiday in 7 years. Then they'll really be able to buy back stock and give themselves bonuses.
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Mr. G wrote:
New term, "Today's Capitalism" Could mean anything, possibly something scary.
It means that we don't have a true capitalistic system. Right now the elite are getting subsidized by our government by having the ability to make their own rules, and acess to what is basically free money.
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borg wrote:
Who's stupid fucking idea was it to give away 700billion? (Actually it was closer to a trillion if you add in Bush's contribution.) Luckily the idiot...
Who's stupid fucking idea was it to give away 700billion? (Actually it was closer to a trillion if you add in Bush's contribution.)
Luckily the idiot that started it was termed out and even luckier still, the idiot that ramped it up and doubled down is facing re election soon. I hope the voters have learned their lesson on the "stimulus" fairytale.
How was it "given away?" A majority of the TARP funds have been repaid. Do you realize how close our entire financial system was to collapsing? We should have never been in that situation, but it was a little late for that when almost every bank would have collapsed if the gov didn't step in.
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11/15/2011 3:29pm
Mr. G wrote:
New term, "Today's Capitalism" Could mean anything, possibly something scary.
It's looking more and more like this these days.

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