Suzuki amateur program done.

Track and Trail 10/23/2011 8:43pm
10/23/2011 8:43pm
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Hmm, it's awkward. If Dungey had won a championship this year for them, maybe sales would pick up cs people wouldnt doubt the bike as much...
Hmm, it's awkward. If Dungey had won a championship this year for them, maybe sales would pick up cs people wouldnt doubt the bike as much. But, when Decoster goes it's bad. When Dungey loses two championships down to silly bike problems, you know it's not the way to go!

As for the amatuer programme. Those guys will get picked up.. I can see JGR losing Webb and Chase cs KTM's boosting their amatuer effort, and it's looking like yellow may be a go go for gibbs. So an easy switch?

Suzki doesnt really concern me too much any how. Kawi or Ktm are the brands to be on really. Kawi just need to bring out an updated two stroke and KTM need to go back to factory-o'-rising (new word!!) stuff.. Paint the frames orange like the factory team and black excels again. Or at least offer it as an upgrade like the Musquin rep and Cairoli rep.
2k1banshee350 wrote:
dungey caused those problems not suzuki (except at southwick that sucked)
The chain deal could have possibly been prevented with a Dungey holeshot. No one knows for sure about the chain though, could have been any number of things. The other bike problems including the fuel deal, the near dns, and the broken case were Suzuki's fault.
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2k1banshee350 10/23/2011 8:46pm
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the fuel deal can go either way. and did dungey get the holeshot the race his chain derailed? no. HIS fault
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2k1banshee350 wrote:
the fuel deal can go either way. and did dungey get the holeshot the race his chain derailed? no. HIS fault
What about when his case broke smartass?
Track and Trail 10/23/2011 8:51pm
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2k1banshee350 wrote:
the fuel deal can go either way. and did dungey get the holeshot the race his chain derailed? no. HIS fault
I agree about the chain and the holeshot, but I also don't take as fact what a team says happened to equipment. Because of that, I can't say for certain that RD could have prevented the derailment - though it probably was from being in traffic.

As for the fuel, it does not go either way. His bike ran out of fuel. Whether it boiled or there wasn't enough to begin with it is Suzuki's fault. How is it not? Is he supposed to do the work on his own bike between motos?

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yamaboost480 10/23/2011 8:51pm
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dboivin wrote:
damn. local boy joey crown is on that rockstar suzuki amateur team....thats gone eh???
hopefully it isnt true for joeys sake, hes super fast and deserves a good ride.
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2k1banshee350 10/23/2011 8:52pm
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2k1banshee350 wrote:
the fuel deal can go either way. and did dungey get the holeshot the race his chain derailed? no. HIS fault
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What about when his case broke smartass?
i dont remember that having any effect on a main event or moto. and why am i being a smartass tough guy? because i have an opinion?
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2k1banshee350 10/23/2011 8:54pm
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2k1banshee350 wrote:
the fuel deal can go either way. and did dungey get the holeshot the race his chain derailed? no. HIS fault
Track and Trail wrote:
I agree about the chain and the holeshot, but I also don't take as fact what a team says happened to equipment. Because of that, I...
I agree about the chain and the holeshot, but I also don't take as fact what a team says happened to equipment. Because of that, I can't say for certain that RD could have prevented the derailment - though it probably was from being in traffic.

As for the fuel, it does not go either way. His bike ran out of fuel. Whether it boiled or there wasn't enough to begin with it is Suzuki's fault. How is it not? Is he supposed to do the work on his own bike between motos?
bikes running out of fuel isnt a new thing. he had a huge lead and could have backed it down a notch, so that was kind of his fault.
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2k1banshee350 wrote:
the fuel deal can go either way. and did dungey get the holeshot the race his chain derailed? no. HIS fault
Track and Trail wrote:
I agree about the chain and the holeshot, but I also don't take as fact what a team says happened to equipment. Because of that, I...
I agree about the chain and the holeshot, but I also don't take as fact what a team says happened to equipment. Because of that, I can't say for certain that RD could have prevented the derailment - though it probably was from being in traffic.

As for the fuel, it does not go either way. His bike ran out of fuel. Whether it boiled or there wasn't enough to begin with it is Suzuki's fault. How is it not? Is he supposed to do the work on his own bike between motos?
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bikes running out of fuel isnt a new thing. he had a huge lead and could have backed it down a notch, so that was kind...
bikes running out of fuel isnt a new thing. he had a huge lead and could have backed it down a notch, so that was kind of his fault.
your opinions are hilarious
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2k1banshee350 10/23/2011 9:00pm
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Track and Trail wrote:
I agree about the chain and the holeshot, but I also don't take as fact what a team says happened to equipment. Because of that, I...
I agree about the chain and the holeshot, but I also don't take as fact what a team says happened to equipment. Because of that, I can't say for certain that RD could have prevented the derailment - though it probably was from being in traffic.

As for the fuel, it does not go either way. His bike ran out of fuel. Whether it boiled or there wasn't enough to begin with it is Suzuki's fault. How is it not? Is he supposed to do the work on his own bike between motos?
2k1banshee350 wrote:
bikes running out of fuel isnt a new thing. he had a huge lead and could have backed it down a notch, so that was kind...
bikes running out of fuel isnt a new thing. he had a huge lead and could have backed it down a notch, so that was kind of his fault.
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your opinions are hilarious
glad to hear it
Track and Trail 10/23/2011 9:01pm
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2k1banshee350 wrote:
the fuel deal can go either way. and did dungey get the holeshot the race his chain derailed? no. HIS fault
Track and Trail wrote:
I agree about the chain and the holeshot, but I also don't take as fact what a team says happened to equipment. Because of that, I...
I agree about the chain and the holeshot, but I also don't take as fact what a team says happened to equipment. Because of that, I can't say for certain that RD could have prevented the derailment - though it probably was from being in traffic.

As for the fuel, it does not go either way. His bike ran out of fuel. Whether it boiled or there wasn't enough to begin with it is Suzuki's fault. How is it not? Is he supposed to do the work on his own bike between motos?
2k1banshee350 wrote:
bikes running out of fuel isnt a new thing. he had a huge lead and could have backed it down a notch, so that was kind...
bikes running out of fuel isnt a new thing. he had a huge lead and could have backed it down a notch, so that was kind of his fault.
So if you were winning a professional race on a factory team (who are supposed to know how much fuel it takes to finish a moto), you would back it down so that you only won by a little bit? How close should the win be? Inches?

Here's an example:

Factory manager: Hey Johnny go-fast, remember to conserve that fuel today, wouldn't want to run out.

Johnny: But what if I need to twist the throttle extra to win boss?

Manager: Gee, I hadn't thought of that.

Johnny: Well can we just run extra fuel then?

Manager: Nope, just slow down if you have a big lead. That's how we do. (Manager then hits crackpipe)
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2k1banshee350 10/23/2011 9:04pm
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i didnt say back down to the point of letting 2nd place get on his rear tire, but it reminds me of reed in daytona 08. he should have backed off too, but instead he kept slogging through the mud at full speed and his bike broke. that to me was reeds fault
Track and Trail 10/23/2011 9:08pm
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i didnt say back down to the point of letting 2nd place get on his rear tire, but it reminds me of reed in daytona 08...
i didnt say back down to the point of letting 2nd place get on his rear tire, but it reminds me of reed in daytona 08. he should have backed off too, but instead he kept slogging through the mud at full speed and his bike broke. that to me was reeds fault
I agree to a point when it comes to saving a bike in poor conditions. Fuel mileage shouldn't be on a factory rider's mind at any time in my opinion. Teams like factory Suzuki should be smart enough to account for any condition having to do with fuel consumption. If they aren't sure, they should put on a desert tank.
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The fuel thing was a freak accident IMO and one that has happened before...The way a rider uses the throttle determines the usage, but Dungey is smooth so I'd imagine he might use less fuel then say, RV who is constantly just WFO.

Tortelli's Honda RC250 ran out of gas @ Red Bud and I think ive heard that when Yogi was on team honda in 2000 he ran out of gas during a SX..
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2k1banshee350 10/23/2011 9:26pm
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2k1banshee350 wrote:
i didnt say back down to the point of letting 2nd place get on his rear tire, but it reminds me of reed in daytona 08...
i didnt say back down to the point of letting 2nd place get on his rear tire, but it reminds me of reed in daytona 08. he should have backed off too, but instead he kept slogging through the mud at full speed and his bike broke. that to me was reeds fault
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I agree to a point when it comes to saving a bike in poor conditions. Fuel mileage shouldn't be on a factory rider's mind at any...
I agree to a point when it comes to saving a bike in poor conditions. Fuel mileage shouldn't be on a factory rider's mind at any time in my opinion. Teams like factory Suzuki should be smart enough to account for any condition having to do with fuel consumption. If they aren't sure, they should put on a desert tank.
well whatever. im just sick of that "what if's" and wish people would give villopoto credit. he may not of had any mechanicals this year, but he did have his share of bad luck (being sick, missing a main because he was taken out) etc. yes im a villopoto fan, but i like dungey and do even more now that hes on ktm. i want to see ktm do well
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2k1banshee350 10/23/2011 9:29pm
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mxpunk wrote:
The fuel thing was a freak accident IMO and one that has happened before...The way a rider uses the throttle determines the usage, but Dungey is...
The fuel thing was a freak accident IMO and one that has happened before...The way a rider uses the throttle determines the usage, but Dungey is smooth so I'd imagine he might use less fuel then say, RV who is constantly just WFO.

Tortelli's Honda RC250 ran out of gas @ Red Bud and I think ive heard that when Yogi was on team honda in 2000 he ran out of gas during a SX..
metcalfe last year at southwick also comes to mind
Track and Trail 10/23/2011 9:31pm
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I agree. RV should get full credit and people who want an asterisk because of Dungey's troubles are not correct.

In fact, I'm a big Dungey fan (possibly a fanboy) but I would say that the issues he had were ultimately his fault. He made the choices of who to ride for etc. and if they turn out to fuck something up, well, he chose them.

That being said, Dungey's gonna win it all in 2012 so get your buckets ready RV fans. You'll need them to hold your tears.
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2k1banshee350 10/23/2011 9:37pm
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I agree. RV should get full credit and people who want an asterisk because of Dungey's troubles are not correct. In fact, I'm a big Dungey...
I agree. RV should get full credit and people who want an asterisk because of Dungey's troubles are not correct.

In fact, I'm a big Dungey fan (possibly a fanboy) but I would say that the issues he had were ultimately his fault. He made the choices of who to ride for etc. and if they turn out to fuck something up, well, he chose them.

That being said, Dungey's gonna win it all in 2012 so get your buckets ready RV fans. You'll need them to hold your tears.
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mxpunk 10/23/2011 9:40pm
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Track and Trail wrote:
I agree. RV should get full credit and people who want an asterisk because of Dungey's troubles are not correct. In fact, I'm a big Dungey...
I agree. RV should get full credit and people who want an asterisk because of Dungey's troubles are not correct.

In fact, I'm a big Dungey fan (possibly a fanboy) but I would say that the issues he had were ultimately his fault. He made the choices of who to ride for etc. and if they turn out to fuck something up, well, he chose them.

That being said, Dungey's gonna win it all in 2012 so get your buckets ready RV fans. You'll need them to hold your tears.
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Sherwood wrote:
What does Suzuki actually sell? I can't see bike sales being very good and many banks won't let you take a loan out for their cars...
What does Suzuki actually sell? I can't see bike sales being very good and many banks won't let you take a loan out for their cars... Could see them "merging" with Kawasaki again.
They sell an outrageous number of GSXR's . So many that when they merged with Kawi like 8 years ago the GSXR line was off limits.
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In 5 years time the big five will be.
Great Wall
Huyoung O Sung
ChingStar
Happytime Motors
Fuolong

The Chinese are coming and coming fast. Jap Mx Bikes will be a thing of a past.
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Sherwood wrote:
What does Suzuki actually sell? I can't see bike sales being very good and many banks won't let you take a loan out for their cars...
What does Suzuki actually sell? I can't see bike sales being very good and many banks won't let you take a loan out for their cars... Could see them "merging" with Kawasaki again.
JB 19 wrote:
They sell an outrageous number of GSXR's . So many that when they merged with Kawi like 8 years ago the GSXR line was off limits.
they didnt merge. it was an "alliance" they shared a few models with eachother, not everything
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In 5 years time the big five will be. Great Wall Huyoung O Sung ChingStar Happytime Motors Fuolong The Chinese are coming and coming fast. Jap...
In 5 years time the big five will be.
Great Wall
Huyoung O Sung
ChingStar
Happytime Motors
Fuolong

The Chinese are coming and coming fast. Jap Mx Bikes will be a thing of a past.
so which is "ping's" favorite?

newman: No more free stuff?
gman: made it jit.
dirtbikersa 10/24/2011 1:44am
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Pretty sure Kawasaki had problems with bike running out of fuel back in the two stroke days. You must be an idiot if you judge a brand in general by issues like a chain derailing or a bike running out of fuel..
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TeamGreen wrote:
It may sound crazy; but, I buy bikes for riders based on the available and "possible" support from the OEM. So, that means NO MORE Suzukis...
It may sound crazy; but, I buy bikes for riders based on the available and "possible" support from the OEM.

So, that means NO MORE Suzukis.

Sad.
well,

That does keep you from having to change your name to "teamYellow" doesn't it?
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2k1banshee350 wrote:
the fuel deal can go either way. and did dungey get the holeshot the race his chain derailed? no. HIS fault
That is just about the most ignorant observation I have seen here on vital, and that is saying something.
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You know, after seeing this thread, I went to some financial sites looking for Suzuki's stock tanking and news about their demise. What I found was quite different. It seems they are the #1 car maker in India and VW has a 20% stake in the company. I was surprised to say the least.
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Kryan5 10/24/2011 5:55am
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Wow this got off topic fast. Slump how is joey after that crash at steel city? It looked pretty bad. Huge first turn pile up.
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I believe they announced this a couple of years ago also and Rockstar came in and sponsored them.

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