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1/25/2012 3:44pm
Last week I had a great conversation with the promoter of the biggest MX series on the West Coast about why 250 four strokes can't race 250 two strokes heads up.
"Basically it comes down to this for every 1 call i got asking if I would allow 250 two strokes to race in the 250 class against 250 four strokes, I got 10 calls to tell me if I allowed it they wouldn't race my series. This was not factory pressure it was from families with kids racing. So I had a choice, take a big chance with my business or just keep things as they are. Besides its only the Vet's who want to race a two stroke and they can race anything they want now."
So for all the hand wringing, bitching and whining that goes on about how its just not fair, the evil promoters, the factories are behind it all and basically the 250F has ruined MX as we know it, the driving force (at least out here) is its the Amateur Racing families, the ones the change is supposed to benefit, don't want it to happen.
"Basically it comes down to this for every 1 call i got asking if I would allow 250 two strokes to race in the 250 class against 250 four strokes, I got 10 calls to tell me if I allowed it they wouldn't race my series. This was not factory pressure it was from families with kids racing. So I had a choice, take a big chance with my business or just keep things as they are. Besides its only the Vet's who want to race a two stroke and they can race anything they want now."
So for all the hand wringing, bitching and whining that goes on about how its just not fair, the evil promoters, the factories are behind it all and basically the 250F has ruined MX as we know it, the driving force (at least out here) is its the Amateur Racing families, the ones the change is supposed to benefit, don't want it to happen.
Also I know of NO family that has complained that 2 strokes cost more to race than 4 strokes, in fact it is the complete opposite, know of no lesss than 4 families that have sold all their 4 strokes and went to 2. 2 strokes in the area have increased 10 fold. My next purchase will be a 2 stroke, hands down. Some love em, some hate em but in all fairness let the CCs speak for themselves, 250 cc class, 2 or 4 strokes. If the 4 banger is superior than let the bike do the talking. And if someone says they will not get their business because of equal CCs, then let them race somewhere else.
If you want to ride a 250 two stroke, race the open class. The power difference is not that much.
If you want to ride in the 250 class with a 2 stroke so bad, then get a ktm 150.
Classes are oriented around 4 strokes...get over it
Because 2 strokes were about R & D out and the OEM where not making money after the sale, that and everyone could do the work themselves. Now bring along 4 strokes and now look at the money OEMs are making off of parts and service.
2 strokes were about as good as they could get and 4 strokes were a new opportunity to develop.
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1. I didn't say they were complaining about the cost of racing two strokes.
2. The families are complaining about having to race against them.
3. You are exactly who he is talking about a "vet" who can race anything you want.
4. That's pretty big talk keyboard jockey. "let them race somewhere else"... you making your living in this sport? 10 to 1 I don't blame him one bit for choosing the option he did. Do you really think its going to help his business allowing 250 on 250? Not hardly.
So basically WTF are you bitching about?
BTW 2 stroke pipes are stamped metal vs 4 stroke pipes being drawn and bent. Big difference.
But hell who the heck is Roger DeCoster anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Many are converting back due to the fact that they can't afford to ride their thumpers.....
a 250 2-stroke MX bike ...is the most versatile motorcycle one can buy!!
How efficient can an engine possibly be if it requires twice as much displacement in order to compete?
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I'm glad for companies like KTM and Yamaha now more than ever, they are allowing the grass roots racers and weekend warriors to stay within their budget and ride almost works performance like two strokes week in and week out without the hassle of the maintenance cost or the black cloud over their heads while they float over a huge triple wondering when the darn thing is going to blow and send them to the hospital...
I think pro racing needs to wake up, or the 4 stroke prices need to come down.....racing is what the manufacturers depend on to sell bikes.....its the 2 strokes that everyone can afford now, not the 4s...
In the end though, the economy will balance itself out, and at that point, who knows which stroke will be more dominant....
until then.....i say dont be stupid, don't go out there and think you need a 4 stroke to be competitive on a local level and have fun doing it just because the pros are doing it....buy what you can afford, if thats a 2 stroke, then thank God there are some excellent choices out there right now.
Lastly....please, please please let your wallet speak for yourself, don't keep posting and arguing for the 2 stroke when you yourself wouldn't go and buy one.
I say fuck the fashion show and enjoy the ride. I ride 2strokes and wouldn't be a lick faster on a new 450 of any brand so I keep it simple.
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