Is this Father pushing his son too hard?

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I question Tony's method's in this video - not even close to properly mentoring your son.

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JACK_Schit 10/9/2011 11:16am
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I question Tony's method's in this video - not even close to properly mentoring your son.
I question Tony's method's in this video - not even close to properly mentoring your son.

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Moto East Mag 10/9/2011 11:18am
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How did you draw that conclusion from a two minute clip?
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JACK_Schit 10/9/2011 11:25am
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Moto East Mag wrote:
How did you draw that conclusion from a two minute clip?
I meant to post the "The Allesi Dynamic: The Moto: Inside The Outdoors"[embed][/embed]

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Moto East Mag 10/9/2011 11:40am
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Ok- now I see how you drew that conclusion.
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dirtnapper 10/9/2011 11:41am
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I just shake my head. I mean, everyone says "this is how Mike works, this is what it takes for Mike to be where he's at, etc etc", but they GOTTA see that it does not work. Tony cannot be a coach and a father. Period. That is NOT a healthy father/son relationship. IF it did work, Mike would have championships by now - he does have the speed. He just also has a lot of roadblocks. His father is one.

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Shawn142 10/9/2011 11:55am
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Bah, Mike is a grown man who made the decision to hire his father as a coach and motivator. You can say it's bad for him all you want, but when Mike has tried to split from his Dad it showed on the track and he definitely lost his way. Just because a TV show airs the most intense moments doesn't mean Tony is always like that. When he's at the track it's business because that's what he's PAID to do by his son.
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Wolfman 10/9/2011 11:59am
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Even the commentator gets it.
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JACK_Schit 10/9/2011 12:02pm
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Bah, Mike is a grown man who made the decision to hire his father as a coach and motivator. You can say it's bad for him...
Bah, Mike is a grown man who made the decision to hire his father as a coach and motivator. You can say it's bad for him all you want, but when Mike has tried to split from his Dad it showed on the track and he definitely lost his way. Just because a TV show airs the most intense moments doesn't mean Tony is always like that. When he's at the track it's business because that's what he's PAID to do by his son.
Yeah, good point - Tony gets paid to force Mike into a mental breakdown!! That's a real great method of a competent mentor/coach.

Strait up - total cave man method of working with the rider!
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Bah, Mike is a grown man who made the decision to hire his father as a coach and motivator. You can say it's bad for him...
Bah, Mike is a grown man who made the decision to hire his father as a coach and motivator. You can say it's bad for him all you want, but when Mike has tried to split from his Dad it showed on the track and he definitely lost his way. Just because a TV show airs the most intense moments doesn't mean Tony is always like that. When he's at the track it's business because that's what he's PAID to do by his son.
Do you really want to tell your father who gave up everything for your dream and helped you achieve the success you've reached today to buzz off? I don't like how Tony treats Mike but I see Mikes problem of telling him to go away, he most likely fears losing a coach and a father at the same time.

Training Mike is Tony's life that would be a crushing blow for a son to have to deliver to his father.
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Shawn142 10/9/2011 12:12pm
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Yeah, good point - Tony gets paid to force Mike into a mental breakdown!! That's a real great method of a competent mentor/coach. Strait up -...
Yeah, good point - Tony gets paid to force Mike into a mental breakdown!! That's a real great method of a competent mentor/coach.

Strait up - total cave man method of working with the rider!
At what point do you quit looking at Mike Alessi as a child? He's 23 years old (I believe?). If he felt his father was a destructive force in his life he's old enough to do something about it. The fact that it hasn't happened shows me that Tony has some good mixed in with the bad, and that maybe we shouldn't judge a family and their situation based on short clips shown to increase drama in a 30 minute TV show.

akmx, to counter that point I'd say it's already been done. Mike told his father to go sit on the couch last year. Tony didn't go to some of the races at all during the 350 campaign. It was Mike's decision to both kick him to the curb bring him back.
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Dirtydane 10/9/2011 12:18pm
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Thanks for posting. Can someone post whole episodes? so that we outside US can watch the episodes like that.
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kongols 10/9/2011 12:23pm
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Dirtydane wrote:
Thanks for posting. Can someone post whole episodes? so that we outside US can watch the episodes like that.
All four episodes
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i think it is worse that the chick is leaching off him too.... its not just his dad. Yeah I know they just got married.... but still
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i think it is worse that the chick is leaching off him too.... its not just his dad. Yeah I know they just got married.... but...
i think it is worse that the chick is leaching off him too.... its not just his dad. Yeah I know they just got married.... but still
How do you come to the conclusion that she is leeching off him?
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That video might be the answer to the "why don't they ride for Reed" thread. If I was raising a small child and had my wife in pits with me, I'm not so sure I'd want all that guys drama ruining the cool vibe under my tent. Dry

His wife leaching off him? just a thought but maybe He actually wants her around. It is called a relationship
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Shawn142 wrote:
Bah, Mike is a grown man who made the decision to hire his father as a coach and motivator. You can say it's bad for him...
Bah, Mike is a grown man who made the decision to hire his father as a coach and motivator. You can say it's bad for him all you want, but when Mike has tried to split from his Dad it showed on the track and he definitely lost his way. Just because a TV show airs the most intense moments doesn't mean Tony is always like that. When he's at the track it's business because that's what he's PAID to do by his son.
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Do you really want to tell your father who gave up everything for your dream and helped you achieve the success you've reached today to buzz...
Do you really want to tell your father who gave up everything for your dream and helped you achieve the success you've reached today to buzz off? I don't like how Tony treats Mike but I see Mikes problem of telling him to go away, he most likely fears losing a coach and a father at the same time.

Training Mike is Tony's life that would be a crushing blow for a son to have to deliver to his father.
I think Tony may have dictated that a career a pro motocross was going to be Mike & Jeff's path before they were even born. He may have said so last year on the show.

I absolutely believe that Tony is a big part of their successes too, but he may also be a liability in some business dealings. I don't think Tony is a bad guy at all; he just has his way of doing things.

I wonder what Tony will do after Mike's career is over; I'm not sure what actually makes up Alessi Racing outside of Mike & Jeff.

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croom mx 10/9/2011 1:38pm
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Tony Alessi reminds me of someone who drank too much coffee. As far as a father and son team are concerned look at Eli Tomak , his father does not talk down to him or make he feel like a loser. Take note.
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This thread is full of dumb.
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Stephon wrote:
I think Tony may have dictated that a career a pro motocross was going to be Mike & Jeff's path before they were even born. He...
I think Tony may have dictated that a career a pro motocross was going to be Mike & Jeff's path before they were even born. He may have said so last year on the show.

I absolutely believe that Tony is a big part of their successes too, but he may also be a liability in some business dealings. I don't think Tony is a bad guy at all; he just has his way of doing things.

I wonder what Tony will do after Mike's career is over; I'm not sure what actually makes up Alessi Racing outside of Mike & Jeff.
I think most of Mike Alessi success is from his great riding skills not his nagging dad. Most Pro riders dont get their father involved because there are too many emotional issues.
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bvm111 10/9/2011 1:53pm
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i think it is worse that the chick is leaching off him too.... its not just his dad. Yeah I know they just got married.... but...
i think it is worse that the chick is leaching off him too.... its not just his dad. Yeah I know they just got married.... but still
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How do you come to the conclusion that she is leeching off him?
you have never been to Apple Valley/Victorville CA have you?
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croom mx 10/9/2011 1:55pm
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bvm111 wrote:
i think it is worse that the chick is leaching off him too.... its not just his dad. Yeah I know they just got married.... but...
i think it is worse that the chick is leaching off him too.... its not just his dad. Yeah I know they just got married.... but still
akmx17 wrote:
How do you come to the conclusion that she is leeching off him?
bvm111 wrote:
you have never been to Apple Valley/Victorville CA have you?
Sounds like a California divorce lawyer. L.A. here we come
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akmx17 10/9/2011 2:15pm
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bvm111 wrote:
i think it is worse that the chick is leaching off him too.... its not just his dad. Yeah I know they just got married.... but...
i think it is worse that the chick is leaching off him too.... its not just his dad. Yeah I know they just got married.... but still
akmx17 wrote:
How do you come to the conclusion that she is leeching off him?
bvm111 wrote:
you have never been to Apple Valley/Victorville CA have you?
Can't say that I have.
But just judging by the concerned she had for Mike in the video when she told Tony "What do you expect?", I have to say she seems just fine.

If I had enough money where my job consisted of traveling a lot putting my body through the wringer every day I would want my girl there too. Does that make her a leecher?
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bvm111 10/9/2011 2:19pm
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just relax... im just stirring the pot a little... im bored during the off season like the next guy.

That being said... the whole anti-tony thing is getting a bit tired.... Mike hired him this past year and is paying him a salary from what I understand so maybe everyone should just let it go!
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I raced minibikes with my Dad at a young age.

By the sounds of it Mikes was expected to do fast laps 3rd lap out. If I went to the gym in the morning after a flight I would feel like toast as well. Sometimes I need 10-20 slow laps to build into my speed.

I have had days on the bike where you hate the bike and the track.

Some days you just feel weak and you ride like crap big deal just have a fun day and next time on the bike you get your grove on.

He is under way too much pressure.

Tony should let Mike ride without the clock for awhile
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TeamGreen 10/9/2011 2:39pm
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I can appreciate what they're trying to accomplish.

I don't get the "I" aspect of Tony and his way of pushing Mike the WRONG way at the WRONG time. "I" this and "I" that. That is ALL very telling.

Hey, Tony..."How" does Roger talk to Ryan? "When" is the RIGHT time to PUSH your rider and WHEN is the Right time to let your rider jus' get some laps in and get A FEEL FOR HOW HE'S "FEELING"? (Especially when he's re-habing an Injury).

Case in point: Give him crap about his speed on a practice day when he's traveled and trained in the gym and...Voila: He's hits the ground hard enough to do more damage.

Oh, well. I;m still prayin' that Mike get's a good ride, has a Great Race at Vegas and that Tony can see his way clear to a better program and a better understanding of the mental and emotional side of his son(s).

I'd like to see them all jus' have some "fun" for a change.
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Greg903 10/9/2011 2:45pm
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I thought i saw at the end of inside the outdoors Mike did an interview where he said after seeing himself in action he had to take a look at how he motivates and coaches.
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JB 19 10/9/2011 2:58pm
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Tony Alessi is like a 14 year old girl having a freak out session on facebook. ............a few long breaths do some people a lot of good.
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jathey 10/9/2011 3:16pm
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Nice video, but Christ, at least spell the guy's name correctly.

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