Hey mxgeoff, when you coming out with a best of current MX1 column?

mxgeoff wrote:

And you know what, he might already be the best rider in the World.

mxgeoff wrote:

Its just something I did for fun, don't take it so seriously. What I love is when I say good things about American riders everyone is...

Its just something I did for fun, don't take it so seriously. What I love is when I say good things about American riders everyone is sweet, but if I mention the GP guys are maybe as good or better, wow, what an idiot I am.

I have dealt with this for years. I rememeber 10 years ago mentioning that Langston and Reed would both be winners in America, and I was an idiot back then too. You guys break me up. I am sitting in my chair and just LOL!!

ocscottie wrote:

Ill give you one thing Geoff, i do believe that you nailed the #1 spot on your (250) list B) Earlier in another thread we were...

Ill give you one thing Geoff, i do believe that you nailed the #1 spot on your (250) list

Earlier in another thread we were discussing about just how much Kenny improved last year in SX from A1 to the Vegas final, and that was with juggling his GP schedule, i can only imagine what we will see in '12 when it is his main focus....and to go one step further, imagine where Kenny will be when he hits his prime? which is still a good 5 years away.

mxgeoff wrote:

Its just something I did for fun, don't take it so seriously. What I love is when I say good things about American riders everyone is...

Its just something I did for fun, don't take it so seriously. What I love is when I say good things about American riders everyone is sweet, but if I mention the GP guys are maybe as good or better, wow, what an idiot I am.

I have dealt with this for years. I rememeber 10 years ago mentioning that Langston and Reed would both be winners in America, and I was an idiot back then too. You guys break me up. I am sitting in my chair and just LOL!!

pilotdude wrote:

That's because it would have been impossible for you to write a 450 list "for fun" or otherwise without Villopoto and Dungey at the very top...

That's because it would have been impossible for you to write a 450 list "for fun" or otherwise without Villopoto and Dungey at the very top of the list.

You are nothing more than a GP-biased euro asshat.

mxgeoff wrote:

Its just something I did for fun, don't take it so seriously. What I love is when I say good things about American riders everyone is...

Its just something I did for fun, don't take it so seriously. What I love is when I say good things about American riders everyone is sweet, but if I mention the GP guys are maybe as good or better, wow, what an idiot I am.

I have dealt with this for years. I rememeber 10 years ago mentioning that Langston and Reed would both be winners in America, and I was an idiot back then too. You guys break me up. I am sitting in my chair and just LOL!!

pilotdude wrote:

That's because it would have been impossible for you to write a 450 list "for fun" or otherwise without Villopoto and Dungey at the very top...

That's because it would have been impossible for you to write a 450 list "for fun" or otherwise without Villopoto and Dungey at the very top of the list.

You are nothing more than a GP-biased euro asshat.

mxgeoff wrote:

Its just something I did for fun, don't take it so seriously. What I love is when I say good things about American riders everyone is...

Its just something I did for fun, don't take it so seriously. What I love is when I say good things about American riders everyone is sweet, but if I mention the GP guys are maybe as good or better, wow, what an idiot I am.

I have dealt with this for years. I rememeber 10 years ago mentioning that Langston and Reed would both be winners in America, and I was an idiot back then too. You guys break me up. I am sitting in my chair and just LOL!!

pilotdude wrote:

That's because it would have been impossible for you to write a 450 list "for fun" or otherwise without Villopoto and Dungey at the very top...

That's because it would have been impossible for you to write a 450 list "for fun" or otherwise without Villopoto and Dungey at the very top of the list.

You are nothing more than a GP-biased euro asshat.

jamma10 wrote:

You're only taking offence because you're one of the most militant anti European forum members on here!.

RealityZ wrote:

You're right Bagget came over to your track and set the fastest lap time by 2 seconds and then won his qualifier, with multiple overalls here...

You're right Bagget came over to your track and set the fastest lap time by 2 seconds and then won his qualifier, with multiple overalls here in the states,

BUT Roczen and Herlings are clearly on another level.


Waste of time

ocscottie wrote:

Ill give you one thing Geoff, i do believe that you nailed the #1 spot on your (250) list B) Earlier in another thread we were...

Ill give you one thing Geoff, i do believe that you nailed the #1 spot on your (250) list

Earlier in another thread we were discussing about just how much Kenny improved last year in SX from A1 to the Vegas final, and that was with juggling his GP schedule, i can only imagine what we will see in '12 when it is his main focus....and to go one step further, imagine where Kenny will be when he hits his prime? which is still a good 5 years away.

mxgeoff wrote:

And you know what, he might already be the best rider in the World.

RealityZ wrote:

You're right Bagget came over to your track and set the fastest lap time by 2 seconds and then won his qualifier, with multiple overalls here...

You're right Bagget came over to your track and set the fastest lap time by 2 seconds and then won his qualifier, with multiple overalls here in the states,

BUT Roczen and Herlings are clearly on another level.


Waste of time

jamma10 wrote:

...just to remind you Rattray, Searle, Herlings, Paulin and Tonus were not riding the MX2 class and Osborne, Kullas, Aubin and Anstie (who round out the...

...just to remind you Rattray, Searle, Herlings, Paulin and Tonus were not riding the MX2 class and Osborne, Kullas, Aubin and Anstie (who round out the MX2 top 10 in the GPs) weren't even riding.

Bagget is a phenomenal rider and put in some astonishing rides last season, he looked fantastic on the Saturday in France but when it came to the main races on the Sunday he had a terrible day. This was mainly due to riding an unfamiliar track in tricky conditions... but to be regarded as as one of the very best in the world you have to prove you can master all conditions.

On an wide open, loamy AMA track Baggett is capable of beating anyone on his day.

jamma10 wrote:

I don't necessarily agree with his list, Barcia and Tomac should certainly replace Anstie and Tonus for a start. I would argue Roczen deserves his place...

I don't necessarily agree with his list, Barcia and Tomac should certainly replace Anstie and Tonus for a start. I would argue Roczen deserves his place at the top but personally I feel the next 5-6 riders are all interchangeable.

RealityZ wrote:

You're right Bagget came over to your track and set the fastest lap time by 2 seconds and then won his qualifier, with multiple overalls here...

You're right Bagget came over to your track and set the fastest lap time by 2 seconds and then won his qualifier, with multiple overalls here in the states,

BUT Roczen and Herlings are clearly on another level.


Waste of time

jamma10 wrote:

...just to remind you Rattray, Searle, Herlings, Paulin and Tonus were not riding the MX2 class and Osborne, Kullas, Aubin and Anstie (who round out the...

...just to remind you Rattray, Searle, Herlings, Paulin and Tonus were not riding the MX2 class and Osborne, Kullas, Aubin and Anstie (who round out the MX2 top 10 in the GPs) weren't even riding.

Bagget is a phenomenal rider and put in some astonishing rides last season, he looked fantastic on the Saturday in France but when it came to the main races on the Sunday he had a terrible day. This was mainly due to riding an unfamiliar track in tricky conditions... but to be regarded as as one of the very best in the world you have to prove you can master all conditions.

On an wide open, loamy AMA track Baggett is capable of beating anyone on his day.

pilotdude wrote:

Apparently he is capable of beating Ken Roczen in Europe on a track he has never ridden before as well, qualifying or no qualifying.

jamma10 wrote:

I don't necessarily agree with his list, Barcia and Tomac should certainly replace Anstie and Tonus for a start. I would argue Roczen deserves his place...

I don't necessarily agree with his list, Barcia and Tomac should certainly replace Anstie and Tonus for a start. I would argue Roczen deserves his place at the top but personally I feel the next 5-6 riders are all interchangeable.

pilotdude wrote:

Well we will see soon enough. Talk is cheap.

jamma10 wrote:

I don't necessarily agree with his list, Barcia and Tomac should certainly replace Anstie and Tonus for a start. I would argue Roczen deserves his place...

I don't necessarily agree with his list, Barcia and Tomac should certainly replace Anstie and Tonus for a start. I would argue Roczen deserves his place at the top but personally I feel the next 5-6 riders are all interchangeable.

pilotdude wrote:

Well we will see soon enough. Talk is cheap.

motoxxx599 wrote:

If they ever decide to combine the an AMA national with an FIM World Championship race, wether it be here in the US or Europe (or...

If they ever decide to combine the an AMA national with an FIM World Championship race, wether it be here in the US or Europe (or Brazil, which would be neutral territory) , the truth will come out. No one would be able to argue about matchups then. Till then, we will continue to throw rocks at each other.

RealityZ wrote:

You're right Bagget came over to your track and set the fastest lap time by 2 seconds and then won his qualifier, with multiple overalls here...

You're right Bagget came over to your track and set the fastest lap time by 2 seconds and then won his qualifier, with multiple overalls here in the states,

BUT Roczen and Herlings are clearly on another level.


Waste of time

2strokerider wrote:

IN QUALIFYING! in moto 1 ken roczens fastest lap was 1.4 seconds faster than baggets, and he lapped him. in moto 2 ken roczens fastest lap...

IN QUALIFYING!
in moto 1 ken roczens fastest lap was 1.4 seconds faster than baggets, and he lapped him.
in moto 2 ken roczens fastest lap was 3 seconds faster than baggets, and he lapped him.

Last year in colorado, ken raced on an unfamiliar track (which had been used for an ama national) and was lapping 2-3 seconds a lap faster than wilson and canard (who had already raced there that year)
this year he was miles infront of everyone else in mx2 in both races- and beat most of the 450 guys in the process (including passing dungey, who was riding a 450!)
(he's been by far the best 250f rider at the des nations for the last 2 years)


he also won the world championship this year, a main event at an ama supercross on a 250f, and qualified for a 450 class main event on a 350.

It would be hard to argue against ken being the top mx2 rider in the world at the moment!

mccread wrote:

I agree Geoff he just might be, and for me Roczen and Herlings are the best riders in the world in 2011 in MX2 no dice...

I agree Geoff he just might be, and for me Roczen and Herlings are the best riders in the world in 2011 in MX2 no dice. IF they all raced the World Champoinship ( the only fair way to decide, and how I base a list like this) I can't see any of the US based guys beating them. It would be a toss up between Wilson and Searle for third, and I would probably give Dean the edge based on his title. But Tommy was flying at the end of the year too.

There were only three US riders in the top five of their own championship anyway, and none in top five of the GPs, so no surprise not many US guys make it in the list. I don't think that list is too far off, if all those guys raced the World championship. Would maybe have Tonus in eighth though and Tomac instead of Anstie... apart from that it is pretty accurate....taking into consideration Marvin was injured and not quite at the level he was in 2010. Really bar the top two the rest are pretty inter changable.

All those guys are phenomenl riders and half of them race AMA so I don't think it is bias. Why if non-americans don't put US riders ahead of the GP riders are they somehow bias and wrong?! but it is not bias for an American to constantly claim their riders and series are better.... hilarious! lol

RealityZ wrote:

You're right Bagget came over to your track and set the fastest lap time by 2 seconds and then won his qualifier, with multiple overalls here...

You're right Bagget came over to your track and set the fastest lap time by 2 seconds and then won his qualifier, with multiple overalls here in the states,

BUT Roczen and Herlings are clearly on another level.


Waste of time

jamma10 wrote:

...just to remind you Rattray, Searle, Herlings, Paulin and Tonus were not riding the MX2 class and Osborne, Kullas, Aubin and Anstie (who round out the...

...just to remind you Rattray, Searle, Herlings, Paulin and Tonus were not riding the MX2 class and Osborne, Kullas, Aubin and Anstie (who round out the MX2 top 10 in the GPs) weren't even riding.

Bagget is a phenomenal rider and put in some astonishing rides last season, he looked fantastic on the Saturday in France but when it came to the main races on the Sunday he had a terrible day. This was mainly due to riding an unfamiliar track in tricky conditions... but to be regarded as as one of the very best in the world you have to prove you can master all conditions.

On an wide open, loamy AMA track Baggett is capable of beating anyone on his day.

pilotdude wrote:

Apparently he is capable of beating Ken Roczen in Europe on a track he has never ridden before as well, qualifying or no qualifying.

mccread wrote:

I agree Geoff he just might be, and for me Roczen and Herlings are the best riders in the world in 2011 in MX2 no dice...

I agree Geoff he just might be, and for me Roczen and Herlings are the best riders in the world in 2011 in MX2 no dice. IF they all raced the World Champoinship ( the only fair way to decide, and how I base a list like this) I can't see any of the US based guys beating them. It would be a toss up between Wilson and Searle for third, and I would probably give Dean the edge based on his title. But Tommy was flying at the end of the year too.

There were only three US riders in the top five of their own championship anyway, and none in top five of the GPs, so no surprise not many US guys make it in the list. I don't think that list is too far off, if all those guys raced the World championship. Would maybe have Tonus in eighth though and Tomac instead of Anstie... apart from that it is pretty accurate....taking into consideration Marvin was injured and not quite at the level he was in 2010. Really bar the top two the rest are pretty inter changable.

All those guys are phenomenl riders and half of them race AMA so I don't think it is bias. Why if non-americans don't put US riders ahead of the GP riders are they somehow bias and wrong?! but it is not bias for an American to constantly claim their riders and series are better.... hilarious! lol

broman64 wrote:

Jesus said that "you Pharisees are blinded by your religion"... In other words, they could not and, didn't want, to see the truth...
BMan-

RealityZ wrote:

You're right Bagget came over to your track and set the fastest lap time by 2 seconds and then won his qualifier, with multiple overalls here...

You're right Bagget came over to your track and set the fastest lap time by 2 seconds and then won his qualifier, with multiple overalls here in the states,

BUT Roczen and Herlings are clearly on another level.


Waste of time

2strokerider wrote:

IN QUALIFYING! in moto 1 ken roczens fastest lap was 1.4 seconds faster than baggets, and he lapped him. in moto 2 ken roczens fastest lap...

IN QUALIFYING!
in moto 1 ken roczens fastest lap was 1.4 seconds faster than baggets, and he lapped him.
in moto 2 ken roczens fastest lap was 3 seconds faster than baggets, and he lapped him.

Last year in colorado, ken raced on an unfamiliar track (which had been used for an ama national) and was lapping 2-3 seconds a lap faster than wilson and canard (who had already raced there that year)
this year he was miles infront of everyone else in mx2 in both races- and beat most of the 450 guys in the process (including passing dungey, who was riding a 450!)
(he's been by far the best 250f rider at the des nations for the last 2 years)


he also won the world championship this year, a main event at an ama supercross on a 250f, and qualified for a 450 class main event on a 350.

It would be hard to argue against ken being the top mx2 rider in the world at the moment!

RealityZ wrote:

No shit Sherlock. Read the post my original point was I didn't think Roczen and Herlings were on another level than Bagget, Wilson etc After qualifying...

No shit Sherlock.

Read the post my original point was I didn't think Roczen and Herlings were on another level than Bagget, Wilson etc

After qualifying on Saturday and his US results, I think it's disrespectful to say those guys are on another level.

mxr102 wrote:

Its one guys opinion. I will applaud MXGeoff for putting our 2 Americans 1 and 2. Its just his opinion..... But like everybody has said in...

Its one guys opinion. I will applaud MXGeoff for putting our 2 Americans 1 and 2. Its just his opinion..... But like everybody has said in the past IF U WANNA RACE THE FASTEST IN THE WORLD YOU BETTER HEAD TO AMERICA......

RealityZ wrote:

MXdN Lites vs MX is not an accurate judging point. Too many variables not to mention everyone aiming for any US rider. At MXdN US races...

MXdN Lites vs MX is not an accurate judging point. Too many variables not to mention everyone aiming for any US rider.

At MXdN US races not to lose, while your riders having NOTHING to lose BIG difference Asshat!



You want a fair comparison Lites vs Lites. Like Saturday in qualifying, which all riders take seriously. Roczen got beat. Clearly not on another level.

You say it's just qualifying, I say bullshit everyrider that could've won was going for the win. Hence Roczen on the ground.


You're dillusional views comical.


Enjoy reporting your second rate series while you're best riders come across the pond for a chance to race the best.