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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 9:25pm
CR250Rider posted this in the Occupy Wall Street thread, but it deserves it's own thread. The guy is a total kook.


Cain: Not rich? No job? Blame yourself
By: CNN Associate Producer Rebecca Stewart
(CNN) – If you're dissatisfied with the economy, or unemployed, Herman Cain thinks you should take a long, hard look in the mirror.
In an interview with the Wall Street Journal posted Wednesday, the up-and-coming GOP 2012 contender and former CEO of Godfather's Pizza summed up his bewilderment about recent demonstrations on Wall Street.

"Don't blame Wall Street," Cain said. "Don't blame the big banks. If you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself."

The conservative radio talk show host described the protests as "planned and orchestrated to distract from the failed policies of the Obama administration, though he admitted he didn't "have the facts to back this up."
Demonstrators have gathered to protest big banks during the "Occupy Wall Street" movement, but their grievances don't end with the economy. The protesters, mainly youth in their twenties, have addressed issues from police brutality to union busting, although they are also upset with the war in Afghanistan, the environment, and the state of the world in general.
The "Occupy Wall Street" movement has also drawn support from unions.
But for Cain, the demonstrations simply amount to "anti-capitalism."
Allowing the banks had a "big part" in the 2008 economic crisis, the candidate, who's known for his bombast and has been rising in national polls pointed out, "We're in 2011, okay?"
"When I was growing up I was blessed to have had parents. That didn't teach me to be jealous of anybody and didn't teach me to be jealous of somebody," Cain explained.
"It is not a person's fault because they succeeded. It is a person's fault if they failed. And so this is why I don't understand these demonstrations and what is it that they're looking for."
Cain spokesman JD Gordon declined to add a comment on the candidate's interview.

This is the real Cain, and how he feels. He see's no issues with wall street and the big banks and how they have taken trillions from this country.


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And so this is why I don't understand these demonstrations and what is it that they're looking for.

He doesn't get it. And all the ideologues never will. Look at history...not the details, but the overall story. It happens over and over.
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txmxer wrote:
[b]And so this is why I don't understand these demonstrations and what is it that they're looking for.[/b] He doesn't get it. And all the ideologues...
And so this is why I don't understand these demonstrations and what is it that they're looking for.

He doesn't get it. And all the ideologues never will. Look at history...not the details, but the overall story. It happens over and over.
He get's it alright, just as others do. It just doesn't fit their agenda.
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txmxer wrote:
[b]And so this is why I don't understand these demonstrations and what is it that they're looking for.[/b] He doesn't get it. And all the ideologues...
And so this is why I don't understand these demonstrations and what is it that they're looking for.

He doesn't get it. And all the ideologues never will. Look at history...not the details, but the overall story. It happens over and over.
jmar wrote:
He get's it alright, just as others do. It just doesn't fit their agenda.
no, I really believe they don't get it. They really believe "If I can do it, anyone can do it and if you did not succeed as I have, it's your fault."

I personally believe in rewarding success, but our system is warped. One specific example is the corporations (not all, but many) that reward failure in a CEO. If I suck, I get fired. I get dick. If a CEO sucks, they get millions of dollars to go away. If a football coach at a major university sucks, he gets millions to go away.

Of course there a lot of folks on here that bitch about rewarding failure on the low end. The entitlements. Yep, they suck too...but, they didn't spin our entire economy into it's current malaise.
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I don't think the people massing out there on Wall Street even understand what it is they are looking for.

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10/6/2011 6:33am
Who would work at Godfather's Pizza, Mr Cain?
Who would be your managers?
Who would be your secretaries?
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10/6/2011 6:52am
Guess he didnt get the memos. The one that says there is only one available job for each 6 people that are unemployed. Or the memo that states that the majority of Americans wages (adjusted) have not budged in decades ( guess that means the Average American doesnt want to be rich) Hes not the first person to say that everyone out of work are lazy in so many words. And everytime I hear it it pisses me off. Just one of the many non truths the elite use to divert attention from the fact that the real transfer of wealth in this country only moves in one direction, upwards. And now with the jobs market in the tank, the rich can hold down wages even easier and increase their worth even more.
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That makes me want to vote for him even more mow.
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My point was how easy some can be snowed by a wolf in sheeps clothing. I could see his agenda with his 999 plan.

The thing is, this wolf wasn't smart enough to keep his mouth shut, and he let the cat out of the bag.
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10/6/2011 7:49am
SteveS wrote:
I don't think the people massing out there on Wall Street even understand what it is they are looking for.
probably true.

But, from all this confusion and frustration, a leader emerges and the revolt begins. People, the masses, tend to look for someone to follow, to give their passion a meaning. It's only a matter of time.
10/6/2011 7:56am Edited Date/Time 10/6/2011 8:01am
txmxer wrote:
[b]And so this is why I don't understand these demonstrations and what is it that they're looking for.[/b] He doesn't get it. And all the ideologues...
And so this is why I don't understand these demonstrations and what is it that they're looking for.

He doesn't get it. And all the ideologues never will. Look at history...not the details, but the overall story. It happens over and over.
jmar wrote:
He get's it alright, just as others do. It just doesn't fit their agenda.
txmxer wrote:
no, I really believe they don't get it. They really believe "If I can do it, anyone can do it and if you did not succeed...
no, I really believe they don't get it. They really believe "If I can do it, anyone can do it and if you did not succeed as I have, it's your fault."

I personally believe in rewarding success, but our system is warped. One specific example is the corporations (not all, but many) that reward failure in a CEO. If I suck, I get fired. I get dick. If a CEO sucks, they get millions of dollars to go away. If a football coach at a major university sucks, he gets millions to go away.

Of course there a lot of folks on here that bitch about rewarding failure on the low end. The entitlements. Yep, they suck too...but, they didn't spin our entire economy into it's current malaise.
My brother has been a Senior VP for several brokerage firms. When he got his first job at Merrill Lynch all he had was a GED and was living in a Geo Metro in a state park. Before that he had started several businesses where he made a lot of money and subsequently lost a lot of money. One time I was talking with him and he was telling me how I ought to approach the things I was doing. It struck me that he believed everything he had accomplished was based only on his hard work. He doesn’t even take into account his skill set. He literally thinks he is an average Joe who out worked everyone else. There is a humility to it but it is just not accurate. I think Cain has the same mindset, and you are right that is how guys like that think.
10/6/2011 7:58am
On one hand I agree with what Cain said and on the other I don't. A lot of shit has gone down that has yet to addressed and punished.
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Not everyone is a brain surgeon
Not everyone has the ability to sell, either a product or themselves
Not everyone has the fortitude to start a business
Not everyone knows how to run a business

and as I have said a million times, courtesy of the great Judge Smails....


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Life is like a big game with crazy unfair rules, you just do your best and hope for the best, it's an impossible task to make life "fair."
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I believe his point may be, we have more control of our destinies then we sometimes realize.

And we should not be so focused on someone else taking care of us (the wealthy or government) that we lose our own drive for personal success.

My take on it, anyways.
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Crash82 wrote:
Life is like a big game with crazy unfair rules, you just do your best and hope for the best, it's an impossible task to make...
Life is like a big game with crazy unfair rules, you just do your best and hope for the best, it's an impossible task to make life "fair."
Yep
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When I saw him on TV basically calling millions of Americans losers, I literally flinched.

I had actually respected and admired him before that.

Bad move, Mr. Cain.
10/6/2011 9:18am
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When I saw him on TV basically calling millions of Americans losers, I literally flinched. I had actually respected and admired him before that. Bad move...
When I saw him on TV basically calling millions of Americans losers, I literally flinched.

I had actually respected and admired him before that.

Bad move, Mr. Cain.
I don't think he is saying they are losers. I think what he is saying is that they are capable of succeeding. His mentality is "if I did it, anybody can do it".
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jimmie wrote:
I believe his point may be, we have more control of our destinies then we sometimes realize. And we should not be so focused on someone...
I believe his point may be, we have more control of our destinies then we sometimes realize.

And we should not be so focused on someone else taking care of us (the wealthy or government) that we lose our own drive for personal success.

My take on it, anyways.
If you missed it...................^this^
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I don't think he is saying they are losers. I think what he is saying is that they are capable of succeeding. His mentality is "if...
I don't think he is saying they are losers. I think what he is saying is that they are capable of succeeding. His mentality is "if I did it, anybody can do it".
That's obviously his mentality.

Problem is, not everyone has an IQ of 130+, which is the bracket I'd guess Mr. Cain is in.

There are millions of people who's only hope of living a comfortable life is to make a reasonable wage in manufacturing, farm labor, or some kind of service job.

Too many of those those people's opportunities have been shipped over seas, or given to undocumented workers and robots, all to protect Corporate America's bottom line.
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Who here believes this: If you are not a professional athlete, blame yourself.

Who believes that they didn't make it to the pros or for the few that did, win championships due specifically to their own lack of effort?

Who believes that Jeremy McGrath has no more natural two wheeled talent than they themselves possess?
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10/6/2011 9:47am Edited Date/Time 10/6/2011 9:51am
jmar wrote:
CR250Rider posted this in the Occupy Wall Street thread, but it deserves it's own thread. The guy is a total kook. [i]Cain: Not rich? No job...
CR250Rider posted this in the Occupy Wall Street thread, but it deserves it's own thread. The guy is a total kook.


Cain: Not rich? No job? Blame yourself
By: CNN Associate Producer Rebecca Stewart
(CNN) – If you're dissatisfied with the economy, or unemployed, Herman Cain thinks you should take a long, hard look in the mirror.
In an interview with the Wall Street Journal posted Wednesday, the up-and-coming GOP 2012 contender and former CEO of Godfather's Pizza summed up his bewilderment about recent demonstrations on Wall Street.

"Don't blame Wall Street," Cain said. "Don't blame the big banks. If you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself."

The conservative radio talk show host described the protests as "planned and orchestrated to distract from the failed policies of the Obama administration, though he admitted he didn't "have the facts to back this up."
Demonstrators have gathered to protest big banks during the "Occupy Wall Street" movement, but their grievances don't end with the economy. The protesters, mainly youth in their twenties, have addressed issues from police brutality to union busting, although they are also upset with the war in Afghanistan, the environment, and the state of the world in general.
The "Occupy Wall Street" movement has also drawn support from unions.
But for Cain, the demonstrations simply amount to "anti-capitalism."
Allowing the banks had a "big part" in the 2008 economic crisis, the candidate, who's known for his bombast and has been rising in national polls pointed out, "We're in 2011, okay?"
"When I was growing up I was blessed to have had parents. That didn't teach me to be jealous of anybody and didn't teach me to be jealous of somebody," Cain explained.
"It is not a person's fault because they succeeded. It is a person's fault if they failed. And so this is why I don't understand these demonstrations and what is it that they're looking for."
Cain spokesman JD Gordon declined to add a comment on the candidate's interview.

This is the real Cain, and how he feels. He see's no issues with wall street and the big banks and how they have taken trillions from this country.


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/05/cain-not-rich-no-job-bl…
Wow, I like him even more now. He's 100% correct. If you don't succeed like Cain has succeed it IS your fault. There is nothing wrong with that of course because some people are perfectly happy not being as successful as Cain, and as flarider pointed out the world DOES need ditch diggers too. You can sit at home without a job and pout all you want waiting for a government handout but there is work out there if you really want to work. Also, don't live beyond your means and the big banks won't have as much of an effect on your life. My problem was when the government bailed those fuckers out. I would have let the shit fail. Guess that's why I'm not in the white house. Smile I will never be as successful as Cain and it IS completely my fault. I totally understand that. If I really wanted to be as successful as Cain I believe that I "could" be but I just am not willing to put in the effort required. That's my choice. If I did want to be as successful as Cain I know that the first step to getting there would be to stop spending my time posting on VitalMX Non-Moto. I just have too much fun doing it. Wink
10/6/2011 9:48am
I don't think he is saying they are losers. I think what he is saying is that they are capable of succeeding. His mentality is "if...
I don't think he is saying they are losers. I think what he is saying is that they are capable of succeeding. His mentality is "if I did it, anybody can do it".
motogeezer wrote:
That's obviously his mentality. Problem is, not everyone has an IQ of 130+, which is the bracket I'd guess Mr. Cain is in. There are millions...
That's obviously his mentality.

Problem is, not everyone has an IQ of 130+, which is the bracket I'd guess Mr. Cain is in.

There are millions of people who's only hope of living a comfortable life is to make a reasonable wage in manufacturing, farm labor, or some kind of service job.

Too many of those those people's opportunities have been shipped over seas, or given to undocumented workers and robots, all to protect Corporate America's bottom line.
I agree, and I think there are multiple factors that cause poverty and joblessness. My point is it isn't coming from an arrogant sentiment. He doesn't think he is special which I think is better than somebody who does think they are, although it it not an accurate view of the situation (either his success or others lack of it).
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does all this make him a good leader for the nation?

Maybe tough love is exactly what this nation needs
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does all this make him a good leader for the nation?

Maybe tough love is exactly what this nation needs
That's what I've been saying for a while now. The first thing they need to do to get people back to work is to turn off this fucking Internet! Too many people sitting at home spanking it to redtube. You know who you are!
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I'm retired from construction at 51 and 11 months.

I saved my money, never made over $65k a year in my life. (3000 hours that year)

I own a 2 houses, drive a duramax, am married and putting 3 kids through college.

I'm no genius, but IT CAN BE DONE.

and Void you're right, I need to get off these damn interwebs !
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I'm retired from construction at 51 and 11 months. I saved my money, never made over $65k a year in my life. (3000 hours that year)...
I'm retired from construction at 51 and 11 months.

I saved my money, never made over $65k a year in my life. (3000 hours that year)

I own a 2 houses, drive a duramax, am married and putting 3 kids through college.

I'm no genius, but IT CAN BE DONE.

and Void you're right, I need to get off these damn interwebs !
You retired from construction just in time.

It sucks out here!
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10/6/2011 10:22am
I wish I'd have the opportunity to not vote for this guy. Sad
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This is a constant idea of dumb republicans that think that everyone has the same opportunity and that everyone can be a millionaire. Both parties have lost touch of the normal American.
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motogeezer wrote:
When I saw him on TV basically calling millions of Americans losers, I literally flinched. I had actually respected and admired him before that. Bad move...
When I saw him on TV basically calling millions of Americans losers, I literally flinched.

I had actually respected and admired him before that.

Bad move, Mr. Cain.
Millions of Americans are losers. I don't know if he was talking about the same millions...but they are out there.
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10/6/2011 10:34am Edited Date/Time 10/6/2011 10:42am
Sherwood wrote:
This is a constant idea of dumb republicans that think that everyone has the same opportunity and that everyone can be a millionaire. Both parties have...
This is a constant idea of dumb republicans that think that everyone has the same opportunity and that everyone can be a millionaire. Both parties have lost touch of the normal American.
Absent some mental or physical impairment...there is no real reason why anyone can't be a millionaire in a lifetime. Laziness is not an impairment.

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