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nytsmaC 9/30/2011 9:56pm
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Hey bro, look back to March and I was the first to say Reed and Stewart might team up. Put that in your mouth and chew...
Hey bro, look back to March and I was the first to say Reed and Stewart might team up. Put that in your mouth and chew it.
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rg4 9/30/2011 10:16pm
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That would be a dynamic team. Reed and Stewart are polar opposites. Reed is mythodical and calculative. While Stewart is an extremely talented rider who makes lots of mistakes. In terms of business, both Reed and Stewart may complement each other and smooth out each others rough edges.

Very unlikely though that we're going to see a Two Two JSE team or JSE Two Two team.
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Derpin' DJ 10/1/2011 5:18am
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So Andrew Short is in on this as well?

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mx_phreek 10/1/2011 5:33am
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manering wrote:
i'd love to see the transworld shadow on that team, the egos would be ridiculous.
Hehe.. so true
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1-forty-8 10/1/2011 5:40am
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It would be like a new world order them 2(2) teaming up.. I can't see it though. I can't really see JS7 making it all the way through the 2012 SX season to be honest.. And I'm calling that right now.
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motosmith 10/1/2011 6:12am
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Stewart would never ride for Brooks or Reed. That's just crazy talk.

He's going to Factory Suzuki with Red Bull.
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RaceFace 10/1/2011 7:06am
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bobby397 wrote:
reed did tweet to js7 that he had a bike he could use for the monster cup
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And I'm going to race the Monster Cup.

You guys believe everything on teh interweb.
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did someone say i believed it? but chad saying that was a fact unlike some of the bs you always seem to come up with...... according...
did someone say i believed it? but chad saying that was a fact unlike some of the bs you always seem to come up with...... according to racer x there is some truth to reed and js7 joining. think of the attention they would recieve and the money they would pull in? and didnt reed say he could get dungey his own semi? why wouldnt he do the same with js7? put since you seem to be with the "in" crowd, you must know most then us sitting behind the keyboard huh?
They could actually race on the same team, with different bikes and different semis and different sponsors even! Think Joe Gibbs' team shows up at every NASCAR race with all of his cars in the same semi with the same sponsors? Each car has its own sponsorship package. Adding to this is, what does a MX team need a crew chief for? Maybe for when you have a few semis to look after. I think this situation is a very real possibility. Reed could race out of a RockStar semi, Stewie out of a Red Bull semi.....and both be under TwoTwo Motorsports. There is no rule stating that all team members have to have the same sponsors. I could see this as a merger between two giants, as opposed to Reed being James' boss, a partnership.

I also see it having disastrous consequences when the egos start colliding.
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Xsenter 10/1/2011 7:31am
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Silly season at it´s best !
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Zycki11 10/1/2011 7:41am
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They could actually race on the same team, with different bikes and different semis and different sponsors even! Think Joe Gibbs' team shows up at every...
They could actually race on the same team, with different bikes and different semis and different sponsors even! Think Joe Gibbs' team shows up at every NASCAR race with all of his cars in the same semi with the same sponsors? Each car has its own sponsorship package. Adding to this is, what does a MX team need a crew chief for? Maybe for when you have a few semis to look after. I think this situation is a very real possibility. Reed could race out of a RockStar semi, Stewie out of a Red Bull semi.....and both be under TwoTwo Motorsports. There is no rule stating that all team members have to have the same sponsors. I could see this as a merger between two giants, as opposed to Reed being James' boss, a partnership.

I also see it having disastrous consequences when the egos start colliding.
I don't see it as a partnership. Reed mentioned if he got the sponsor onboard that he wanted, then everyone would flip. Beat case scenario with the 7 and 22 is two semis. With personal sponsors of JS(Oakley,answer, red bull, and Nike). All under Chads eye. Reed is too smart to allow someone in on the ground he built. The difference between the two is obvious right now.
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Guys, it is not going to happen. There is no way. You can't have 2 top dogs like that. Only way would be a partnership and I don't see any partnership between them two. No way would James let Reed be his boss. James would be his own boss first.

Not going to happen. Sorry.
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LastCall211 10/1/2011 7:50am
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When Stewart first left Kawi I called him to JGR because of his connections to Albrecht and Gibbs' willingness to spend to bring in top talent. I would not be surprised if three years later this finally came to fruition.

But on the other hand, how crazy would it be if he teamed up with Reed? Awesome!
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RaceFace 10/1/2011 8:07am
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They could actually race on the same team, with different bikes and different semis and different sponsors even! Think Joe Gibbs' team shows up at every...
They could actually race on the same team, with different bikes and different semis and different sponsors even! Think Joe Gibbs' team shows up at every NASCAR race with all of his cars in the same semi with the same sponsors? Each car has its own sponsorship package. Adding to this is, what does a MX team need a crew chief for? Maybe for when you have a few semis to look after. I think this situation is a very real possibility. Reed could race out of a RockStar semi, Stewie out of a Red Bull semi.....and both be under TwoTwo Motorsports. There is no rule stating that all team members have to have the same sponsors. I could see this as a merger between two giants, as opposed to Reed being James' boss, a partnership.

I also see it having disastrous consequences when the egos start colliding.
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I don't see it as a partnership. Reed mentioned if he got the sponsor onboard that he wanted, then everyone would flip. Beat case scenario with...
I don't see it as a partnership. Reed mentioned if he got the sponsor onboard that he wanted, then everyone would flip. Beat case scenario with the 7 and 22 is two semis. With personal sponsors of JS(Oakley,answer, red bull, and Nike). All under Chads eye. Reed is too smart to allow someone in on the ground he built. The difference between the two is obvious right now.
It's all about bargaining. Reed may not WANT to allow anyone to get in on his gig, but if getting Stewart is beneficial for him $$$-wise, and that is the only way of getting him, a business man does what he has to do. It's like when the Miami Heat wanted Pat Riley but couldn't offer him enough cash.....they sweetened the deal by offering him ownership percentage. Reed can set it up as a percentage stake, 10%, 20%, 40%......it's all about bargaining. He would never be able to sign Stewart and be his boss, I don't think. But sweeten the deal and it could happen. It can be set up in any way they want, James could be a 40% partner with no say, or a 20% partner with some say. Again, all in how they bargain it out. Reed IS very smart, which is the very thing that could make this happen. Ozzy said in an interview that they were looking for a guy that can run up front and even beat Reed. James is the ONLY guy available with that description. RV, RD, Canard and friends are locked in elsewhere.

I agree that this is silly season at its finest.
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Mike D 10/1/2011 8:09am
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ocscottie wrote:
MC/Brooks team? that would be quite the exploder.
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your kidding right?
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Brooks likes to win championships.... MC being in on it and working directly with James could put a new spin on things. New brand also for...
Brooks likes to win championships....
MC being in on it and working directly with James could put a new spin on things.
New brand also for LB & JS.
Maybe if the money is right for all?
I say it is quite a long shot .....but stranger things have happened in the world. Smile

2 years ago if there was a rumor floating around JS & Reed were teaming up,people would have thought that was crazy also.


But I'm thinking & hoping he goes to factory Suzuki.
That sorta makes the most sense to me.
So last year James sent Brooks into hiding, Brooks may or may not have been paid very well to "walk away" Im thinking Brooks wouldnt have dropped off of the face of the motocross earth, if he was taken care of. James said like 3 years ago he wanted 72 SX wins, IMO there is no chance of that happening, (anymore).

I guess what Im really saying is, it seems as though the bridges have been burned between JS7 and Brooks and MC. I dont think there is enough money floating around to rebuild those bridges.
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RaceFace 10/1/2011 8:16am
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Don't forget, anywhere else James goes will most likley be a very large pay cut for him from last year. He isn't going to be getting the big pay from JGR or Suzuki, like he was with San Manuel. Reed may be able to provide him with the biggest paycheck. If the potential huge sponsor mentioned relies on Stewart being there as well, Reed will be jumping through hoops to get him.

Of course all of this goes out the window if James' issues with his L&M "contract" rear their ugly head.
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Zycki11 10/1/2011 9:03am
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Don't forget, anywhere else James goes will most likley be a very large pay cut for him from last year. He isn't going to be getting...
Don't forget, anywhere else James goes will most likley be a very large pay cut for him from last year. He isn't going to be getting the big pay from JGR or Suzuki, like he was with San Manuel. Reed may be able to provide him with the biggest paycheck. If the potential huge sponsor mentioned relies on Stewart being there as well, Reed will be jumping through hoops to get him.

Of course all of this goes out the window if James' issues with his L&M "contract" rear their ugly head.
I understand sweetening the deal. IMO Reed really doesn't have much too gain by signin Stewart. You give a percentage of your team in exchange for what? Exposure on Bubbas World? Maybe a championship? A large amount of money would be tossed his way and I don't think it is worth it financially, or emotionally for Chad to sign him. The negatives far outway the positives. After all, Two Two Motorsports is clearly built to be more than a SX/MX team.
BornA'Lil2Slow 10/1/2011 10:54am
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guys, you have to think about this a different way than you are right now.....

all that matters is how much equipment, support, resources, and cash are involved. Its not like they have to snuggle and hang out during the week to be on a team. thats all Im saying. You have to remember, at the level these guys operate a motorscooter, the bike is imo, just as big of a deal as the pay, if not moreso. You are talking about guys that have fuck you money. They arent going to race for free, but they have something to prove and that can erase a zero or two as long as the equipment and support of that equipment is the best.

Plus remember, Dung, as good as his Suz look, had issues with that bike all year and Im not talking about the 2 dnf's.

And a few of you saying no way, there is a chance your head could explode. its very much a maybe, but it exists.
rustytrombone 10/1/2011 3:12pm
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Stewart going to twotwo is the ONLY secenario that would surprise me. Everything else, all the other theories are actually plausible. Like Suzuki. You REALLY think they want Metcalfe as their #1?

The whole MC/LB deal, while unlikely, they'd probably offer James a SX only deal. Which makes it possible. While everybody else would want him to return to the outdoors. The only thing is, I'm sure he will want Dungey type money.

JGR is a real possibility. They have the money, facilities, everything James could want.

And, he could take Reed's lead and start his own team. I can totally see that. In fact, I think that's what going to end up happening.

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mx196 10/1/2011 3:48pm
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I wonder if this actually happend, how much different the racing between them would be. I bet the pressure of the two would ease up alot, could you imagine the two of them dominating every weekend.
Personally I think Stewart's gonna show some serious speed at A1....and a preview of it at the MEC
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RaceFace 10/1/2011 11:18pm
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Don't forget, anywhere else James goes will most likley be a very large pay cut for him from last year. He isn't going to be getting...
Don't forget, anywhere else James goes will most likley be a very large pay cut for him from last year. He isn't going to be getting the big pay from JGR or Suzuki, like he was with San Manuel. Reed may be able to provide him with the biggest paycheck. If the potential huge sponsor mentioned relies on Stewart being there as well, Reed will be jumping through hoops to get him.

Of course all of this goes out the window if James' issues with his L&M "contract" rear their ugly head.
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I understand sweetening the deal. IMO Reed really doesn't have much too gain by signin Stewart. You give a percentage of your team in exchange for...
I understand sweetening the deal. IMO Reed really doesn't have much too gain by signin Stewart. You give a percentage of your team in exchange for what? Exposure on Bubbas World? Maybe a championship? A large amount of money would be tossed his way and I don't think it is worth it financially, or emotionally for Chad to sign him. The negatives far outway the positives. After all, Two Two Motorsports is clearly built to be more than a SX/MX team.
Imagine you can make a presentation to a sponsor to back TwoTwo with Chad Reed.....or Two Two with Reed AND Stewart. Having Stewart on his team could make Chad more money in the long run. Chad doesn't mind making more money. There are rumblings about some ridiculous sponsor no one would expect.......probably more plausible with Stewart on board. It's all about numbers. It is so short-sighted to say Reed wouldn't have much to gain. Until actual figures are being bandied about, no one knows exactly WHAT Reed might gain. Reed could possibly have a sponsor lined up saying to him "Get Stewart and we are on board at $___Million per year". This new breed of non-factory team has the goal of MAKING money, not just spending it. The limitation of the factory teams is that their product (the bike) is THE most important product to promote. A non-factory team with major outside sponsorship could care less about the bike being promoted as long as the big sponsors are happy. If you get a UPS sponsorship package for a private team and they want brown bikes, they will have brown bikes. Not happening on Factory Yamaha-UPS racing. This is uncharted MX territory so you have to think outside of the norm for existing race teams here.

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