Anyone here dealing with OSHA fall protection?

endo
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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 10:01pm
I'm a roofing contractor, and am not thrilled at all with the new regulations. Rediculous is not even close. Anybody else dealing with this? Seems like just another way for the government to collect a shitload of revenue from fines off the working man. Let's start a revolution!!!
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JustMX
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9/28/2011 6:00am
What kind of world do we live in where government regulation is starting to make it hard to earn a living without being hit with what are basically hidden taxes?

oh, never mind.
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9/28/2011 6:03am
I thought roofers were exempt from fall protection?

Curious though, how many guys get hurt due to falls in your business?
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9/28/2011 6:04am
endo wrote:
I'm a roofing contractor, and am not thrilled at all with the new regulations. Rediculous is not even close. Anybody else dealing with this? Seems like...
I'm a roofing contractor, and am not thrilled at all with the new regulations. Rediculous is not even close. Anybody else dealing with this? Seems like just another way for the government to collect a shitload of revenue from fines off the working man. Let's start a revolution!!!
Are you a commercial, or residential roofer?
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From the OSHA website:

Roofing

Low-slope Roofs
Each employee engaged in roofing activities on low-slope roofs with unprotected sides and edges 6 feet (1.8 meters) or more above lower levels shall be protected from falling by guardrail systems, safety net systems, personal fall arrest systems or a combination of a warning line system and guardrail system, warning line system and safety net system, warning line system and personal fall arrest system, or warning line system and safety monitoring system. On roofs 50 feet (15.24 meters) or less in width, the use of a safety monitoring system without a warning line system is permitted.

Steep Roofs Each employee on a steep roof with unprotected sides and edges 6 feet (1.8 meters) or more above lower levels shall be protected by guardrail systems with toeboards, safety net systems, or personal fall arrest systems.

Wall Openings Each employee working on, at, above, or near wall openings (including those with chutes attached) where the outside bottom edge of the wall opening is 6 feet (1.8 meters) or more above lower levels and the inside bottom edge of the wall opening is less than 39 inches (1.0 meter) above the walking/working surface must be protected from falling by the use of a guardrail system, a safety net system, or a personal fall arrest system.


They just redid the tar roof on an old ex-Post Office building across the highway from us. Putting up the railings and taking them down added a day and a half to a half day job.

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9/28/2011 6:11am
Roofers are not exempt from fall protection. As far as people getting hurt, yes it does happen, but if you compare the # of people doing the job to the actual injuries it is minimal. It makes sense to tie off on a dangerous roof, but the new regs. state than ANYONE over 6' off the ground must be in a full body harness, with an anchor point capable of withstanding 5,000 lb/f. That means framers, painters, etc. must also now comply. Residential used to be exempt, that was changed in June with a short "phase-in" period, but the new regs are now in place. The fines for non-compliance start at $5000 per person.
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9/28/2011 6:26am
That's why I ask if it was residential.

Never say never, but it's not being enforced (residential) in TX or OK right now. As far as commercial, if you have the edge of the roof barricaded with flagging of some type, all is well.
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9/28/2011 7:08am
Well, I believe up to a 4/12, you can use the safely warning lines, and a safety monitor. The safety monitor is an OSHA competent person who basically stands there (with no radio or phone) and tells you when you are getting close to the edge of the roof. You have to have one of these for each plane of the roof that people are working on.

Here in Florida they have hired 20 extra inspectors out of Tampa for enforcement. (And I know they are checking jobs) I heard of a Ga. contractor working here getting a $155,000 fine, $14,000 of it for not wearing safety glasses!

One of the big problems right now is doing repairs on existing, or pressure cleaning. In order to install the anchor point, you have to dismantle a section of an otherwise functioning roof. A shingle roof that is 1/2 way through it's life cycle is nearly impossible to seperate in order to install the anchor. On many of the older tile roofs, the tile used is now dis-continued, and if you have to break them for the anchor point, there's a good chance you can no longer find them. The simple point anchor requires 5- 3 1/2" X 3/8" lag bolts into a truss, with 4 more bolts in the plywood. The tripod necessary for tile roofs (because of the height of the stacked tile and retractable lines) requires 23 bolts!

I go on alot of calls where people already cannot afford to replace their worn-out roofs, and expect some kind of miracle. This is just what we need in a shit economy.
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9/28/2011 7:15am
Yeah, roofers fall. That's why worker's comp is $20 and up per $100 spent on labor.

So a roof that costs 10k 6 months ago now costs 13k?
9/28/2011 8:15am
Yes OSHA is getting way out of hand. I'm dealing with regulations I've never imagined. New scaffold laws are out of control and almost impossible to keep up withand still make a profit. Now, to top it off I had an inspector stop by yesterday and told me I had to have EPA reports on the chemicals I use and I had to have a environmental impact report on the concrete that was washed out of the mixer. WOW, really? How about leaving a little profit in the job for us guys still creating jobs.

I swear, I am really starting to believe they are trying to crush the small business man.
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9/28/2011 8:21am
That's insane.
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9/28/2011 8:39am
My kid is a union roofer in Jersey..Hard work.. Pay is decent..No such law there..
A friend of mind in town was killed while driving a forklift at his business.. OSHA came in and fined the wife..So sad
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9/28/2011 8:53am
When I was in construction I watched a Mexican roof a 3 story house wearing cowboy boots. It's difficult to get traction wearing tennis shoes and this dude was wearing cowboy boots!

I'll never forget it that day. I was convinced the dude was going to be on the ground by the end of the day but he never fell.
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9/28/2011 10:01am
To do work at the V.A., all workers have to be OSHA 10 certified.

It's $150 per employee for the course, and it takes all day so add a couple hundred + in pay for each guy that takes it, and add a hundred or so more for lost production on the day he takes it...

The good part is that it thins the field as far as eligibility of bidders, so I get a good percentage of what I bid.

Why a painter needs to know how to shore-up a trench is beyond me, though.
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9/28/2011 6:34pm
endo wrote:
I'm a roofing contractor, and am not thrilled at all with the new regulations. Rediculous is not even close. Anybody else dealing with this? Seems like...
I'm a roofing contractor, and am not thrilled at all with the new regulations. Rediculous is not even close. Anybody else dealing with this? Seems like just another way for the government to collect a shitload of revenue from fines off the working man. Let's start a revolution!!!
Put your fucking harness on and tie of properly, and STFU!Wink
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9/28/2011 9:25pm
endo wrote:
I'm a roofing contractor, and am not thrilled at all with the new regulations. Rediculous is not even close. Anybody else dealing with this? Seems like...
I'm a roofing contractor, and am not thrilled at all with the new regulations. Rediculous is not even close. Anybody else dealing with this? Seems like just another way for the government to collect a shitload of revenue from fines off the working man. Let's start a revolution!!!
I'm in construction as well ( Drywall contractor ).....and those roofing OSHA rules are pretty messed up. About 10 years ago , we had two roofers die out here in Oregon when they were tied up. About 4 pallets of roofing material slid down the roof and the ropes held the two roofers right in the path. If they wouldn't of been tied off , they could have jumped out of the way is what their fellow workers stated.

I'm supposed to deal with guard rails on my scaffolding on my tall ceilings , but screw that! You can't skim around guard rails.....the damn things are in my way!
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9/28/2011 10:31pm
my parents own a rigging company and a few weeks ago my uncle was running our boom truck and the osha lady saw the boom in the air and stopped to check it out!! well it didnt turn out to good, she fined him for not having pads under his outriggers on concrete!! the pads on the boom truck are plenty big for what he was doing, but anyway she fined him even though she couldnt show him where it says that the pads that the manufactur put on the truck were not good enough !! well we got off easy compared to the hvac company, she hit them for $25,000.00 for not being tied off on a flat roof, and the guys were a good 20 ft on the roof not to mention there was about a 3ft wall surrounding the roof!!! the next week we got certified in rigging and flagging for the crane stuff!! i urg yall to do this so you want have any probs if u work with cranes!!! only one person has to be certified in a crew!! the main rule for osha is saftey glasses hard hat and TIE OFF even if you only have a ladder to pull down on your head when you fall!!!
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9/29/2011 11:59am
Yea, a gutter guy told me they have to have harness over a set height on Govt. jobs.
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9/29/2011 12:14pm
endo wrote:
Roofers are not exempt from fall protection. As far as people getting hurt, yes it does happen, but if you compare the # of people doing...
Roofers are not exempt from fall protection. As far as people getting hurt, yes it does happen, but if you compare the # of people doing the job to the actual injuries it is minimal. It makes sense to tie off on a dangerous roof, but the new regs. state than ANYONE over 6' off the ground must be in a full body harness, with an anchor point capable of withstanding 5,000 lb/f. That means framers, painters, etc. must also now comply. Residential used to be exempt, that was changed in June with a short "phase-in" period, but the new regs are now in place. The fines for non-compliance start at $5000 per person.
So how does one go about installing the anchor point without breaking the rules?
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9/29/2011 12:20pm
Can't be a scissor lift as you have to get to the peak so only a boom lift would work.

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