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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 2:13am
Who is the favourite?.....

James on a Suzuki fully focused on SX and MX with his old mechanic behind him could be the perfect storm.

RV rides best when he has something to prove, and he won't want Stewart taking his momentum, with the new team hype.

Dungey... the quietest of the big four... but probably the most consistent... but can he get the bike and his starts back to what they where in 2010?

Reed... one more year with his new team could make all the difference, I really think he could win the title, no one will get in his head and he always believes he can be better than anyone else.

Canard... style is there, speed is there, great team, Trey just needs to stay calm and take the pressure off himself.

In the lites classes, KTM with Roczen and Musquin could be hard to beat, Marvin is great at Supercross and has US experiance from a few years ago. Roczen might just be the best rider in world bar none in any class.

PC will have Dean who will want to win a sx title, and Baggest in his third year.. both can win, Durham will be fast too.

Geico Honda, Barcia will be all out to retain his title and Tomac will want to avenge his title loss, but it could be tougher this season.
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9/27/2011 6:40am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2011 6:59am
Matthes said last night that he talked to someone that heard that the 'JS7-Suzuki' might be a Honda. Wink

Dungey on a Katoom 450EFI...not sure how that will work out for him in SX.

If Canard stays healthy he will be in contention.
Seems like he learned a lot last year and was really progressing.

Reed will be a solid front runner as always. Smile

With that said, I'm going with one of the so-called old guys. Smile
22 or 7 takes it!

As for the Lites, Barcia on either coast should take it again this year.
W. Hahn,M. Stewart,Roczen,Tomac,Deano & Baggett should also be front runners on either coast. Wink
Another kid I want to see do well Paluzzi.
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FastEddy wrote:
Matthes said last night that he talked to someone that heard that the 'JS7-Suzuki' might be a Honda. ;) Dungey on a Katoom 450EFI...not sure how...
Matthes said last night that he talked to someone that heard that the 'JS7-Suzuki' might be a Honda. Wink

Dungey on a Katoom 450EFI...not sure how that will work out for him in SX.

If Canard stays healthy he will be in contention.
Seems like he learned a lot last year and was really progressing.

Reed will be a solid front runner as always. Smile

With that said, I'm going with one of the so-called old guys. Smile
22 or 7 takes it!

As for the Lites, Barcia on either coast should take it again this year.
W. Hahn,M. Stewart,Roczen,Tomac,Deano & Baggett should also be front runners on either coast. Wink
Another kid I want to see do well Paluzzi.
JS7 - Red, but not a Honda... New Husky US Headquarters... JS7 is the new flagship rider for Husky on a brand new raceteam in the USA!!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ! ! !
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9/27/2011 6:49am
Matthes is right: We keep seeing these "done deal" and "confirmation" posts on Stewart-to-Suzuki but it's not done yet -- and it may not get done. A few pieces still have to come together there to make it work for everyone. Or so I hear....

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Tough question.

All things considered, RV seems like the favorite, but Canard popped his balloon in the lites, who's to say he won't do it again? James is an easy pick to get several wins and could control the series. Reed and Dungey are masters of consistency.

Another exciting year ahead!

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9/27/2011 7:02am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2011 7:03am
txmxer wrote:
Tough question. All things considered, RV seems like the favorite, but Canard popped his balloon in the lites, who's to say he won't do it again...
Tough question.

All things considered, RV seems like the favorite, but Canard popped his balloon in the lites, who's to say he won't do it again? James is an easy pick to get several wins and could control the series. Reed and Dungey are masters of consistency.

Another exciting year ahead!
TC learned a lot last year....you could see it in his riding.
He did however have some close get offs,but if he irons those out & stays healthy he will just keep progressing.
I think he has just as much of a shot taking it this year as any of the guys out there do.
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If James gets red, does Chad get yellow and vice versa?

Seem unlikely one manufactuerer could support both.
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mccread wrote:
Who is the favourite?..... James on a Suzuki fully focused on SX and MX with his old mechanic behind him could be the perfect storm. RV...
Who is the favourite?.....

James on a Suzuki fully focused on SX and MX with his old mechanic behind him could be the perfect storm.

RV rides best when he has something to prove, and he won't want Stewart taking his momentum, with the new team hype.

Dungey... the quietest of the big four... but probably the most consistent... but can he get the bike and his starts back to what they where in 2010?

Reed... one more year with his new team could make all the difference, I really think he could win the title, no one will get in his head and he always believes he can be better than anyone else.

Canard... style is there, speed is there, great team, Trey just needs to stay calm and take the pressure off himself.

In the lites classes, KTM with Roczen and Musquin could be hard to beat, Marvin is great at Supercross and has US experiance from a few years ago. Roczen might just be the best rider in world bar none in any class.

PC will have Dean who will want to win a sx title, and Baggest in his third year.. both can win, Durham will be fast too.

Geico Honda, Barcia will be all out to retain his title and Tomac will want to avenge his title loss, but it could be tougher this season.
Great post.

However, i dont really agree with the lites comments.

In my opinion, i dont think roczen or musquin will be front runners, its all well and good to win a GP championship, but racing AMA's is a completely different story.

And calling roczen the bast from bar to none is definitely an exaggeration.
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I think Canard will be the biggest surprise of next season. If he stays calm and free of the drama around him, I can see him easily stringing together a couple of wins in a row. I don't think he will win the title, but I have a feeling he will be in the hunt all the way to the end.

As for Roczen, will he be fast YES, but I think more than anything he will have to work on consistency for supercross. With the lites class only being 8 or so rounds, his mistakes will be costly in terms of a championship.

I still think JS7 will win the title, if he just stays off the ground. JMHO!
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9/27/2011 7:14am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2011 7:26am
TY6 wrote:
Great post. However, i dont really agree with the lites comments. In my opinion, i dont think roczen or musquin will be front runners, its all...
Great post.

However, i dont really agree with the lites comments.

In my opinion, i dont think roczen or musquin will be front runners, its all well and good to win a GP championship, but racing AMA's is a completely different story.

And calling roczen the bast from bar to none is definitely an exaggeration.
What?

Didn't Roczen get a 3rd in the shootout (E vs W ) and then he also won the Lites West main in Vegas?
Then the week before he was second at SLC..and also got got a podium(3rd) at A2.
He did that in his first year over here and he also was juggling 2 series towards the last few rounds.
He learned a lot also last year and he will be a contender/front runner this year for sure. Wink
At his age and as new as he is to SX.... he will only keep learning more & more and progressing.

Also...in the big boy class last year he went top 8 in both SX races he did on the 350....
7th in Houson & 8th in Daytona and he beat some big name SX riders/Vets.
9/27/2011 7:17am
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Who is the favourite?..... James on a Suzuki fully focused on SX and MX with his old mechanic behind him could be the perfect storm. RV...
Who is the favourite?.....

James on a Suzuki fully focused on SX and MX with his old mechanic behind him could be the perfect storm.

RV rides best when he has something to prove, and he won't want Stewart taking his momentum, with the new team hype.

Dungey... the quietest of the big four... but probably the most consistent... but can he get the bike and his starts back to what they where in 2010?

Reed... one more year with his new team could make all the difference, I really think he could win the title, no one will get in his head and he always believes he can be better than anyone else.

Canard... style is there, speed is there, great team, Trey just needs to stay calm and take the pressure off himself.

In the lites classes, KTM with Roczen and Musquin could be hard to beat, Marvin is great at Supercross and has US experiance from a few years ago. Roczen might just be the best rider in world bar none in any class.

PC will have Dean who will want to win a sx title, and Baggest in his third year.. both can win, Durham will be fast too.

Geico Honda, Barcia will be all out to retain his title and Tomac will want to avenge his title loss, but it could be tougher this season.
TY6 wrote:
Great post. However, i dont really agree with the lites comments. In my opinion, i dont think roczen or musquin will be front runners, its all...
Great post.

However, i dont really agree with the lites comments.

In my opinion, i dont think roczen or musquin will be front runners, its all well and good to win a GP championship, but racing AMA's is a completely different story.

And calling roczen the bast from bar to none is definitely an exaggeration.
fair enought if you dont think roczen will win the championship, but how can you say he wont even be a front runner?

he won the shootout last year, and has just beaten dungey at mxon..... id put him down as my favourite to win the title
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9/27/2011 7:21am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2011 7:22am
mccread wrote:
Who is the favourite?..... James on a Suzuki fully focused on SX and MX with his old mechanic behind him could be the perfect storm. RV...
Who is the favourite?.....

James on a Suzuki fully focused on SX and MX with his old mechanic behind him could be the perfect storm.

RV rides best when he has something to prove, and he won't want Stewart taking his momentum, with the new team hype.

Dungey... the quietest of the big four... but probably the most consistent... but can he get the bike and his starts back to what they where in 2010?

Reed... one more year with his new team could make all the difference, I really think he could win the title, no one will get in his head and he always believes he can be better than anyone else.

Canard... style is there, speed is there, great team, Trey just needs to stay calm and take the pressure off himself.

In the lites classes, KTM with Roczen and Musquin could be hard to beat, Marvin is great at Supercross and has US experiance from a few years ago. Roczen might just be the best rider in world bar none in any class.

PC will have Dean who will want to win a sx title, and Baggest in his third year.. both can win, Durham will be fast too.

Geico Honda, Barcia will be all out to retain his title and Tomac will want to avenge his title loss, but it could be tougher this season.
TY6 wrote:
Great post. However, i dont really agree with the lites comments. In my opinion, i dont think roczen or musquin will be front runners, its all...
Great post.

However, i dont really agree with the lites comments.

In my opinion, i dont think roczen or musquin will be front runners, its all well and good to win a GP championship, but racing AMA's is a completely different story.

And calling roczen the bast from bar to none is definitely an exaggeration.
I agree. I think Roczen and Musquin will be front runners with Wilson and Baggett in the 250s Outdoors, but indoors I don't think it's a given at all. Last year Roczen only won a single main event at a unique event. If he's on the same coast as Barcia or Wilson, I don't think he can beat them for the championship. I don't know who's riding which coast, but if Wilson and Barcia go East again and Roczen is West without Hansen, Tickle, etc with them moving up... then he may have a really good shot. I also agree that Roczen being the best rider in the world right now bar none is an exaggeration (saying he's currently better than RV/RD/CR/JS/TC/AC). He's one of the best riders in the world, but hasn't proven to be the best yet IMO.

I know it's way too early to know which coast lites guys will be on... but is Sipes riding lites again this year? Seely and Tomac could be good again too indoors.
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I think there are going to be five guys with a legitimate shot at winning the title next season.

Personally, I think RV is the man to beat, especially if he can come out swinging early. He's in the most stable situation regarding his program/bike, and he's coming off a phenomenal 11' with a ton of confidence.

If CR stays red I'd put him in that same category, and with some misfortune on RV's part, he could possibly take it.

In regards to James, a comfortable,happy, James will be hard to beat. If he does end up with JGR, no matter what bike he's on, I think he instantly improves from last season.

RD is the wild card, in my opinion. Has KTM ever won a SX main? Have they ever won a SX heat race? Despite history, this feels a lot like the RC-to-Suzuki deal several years ago. If anyone can put that bike on the podium, its the two RD's. If the bike stays together, RD will be there at the end based solely on his consistency.

TC has already won at this level, we know he has the speed, and we've already seen a red-headed kid come back from a major leg break to win two championships, so it's not unprecedented. He's every bit as capable as the other four it he can keep himself healthy.

It's going to be another great season, lets just hope all these guys stay healthy.
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mccread wrote:
Who is the favourite?..... James on a Suzuki fully focused on SX and MX with his old mechanic behind him could be the perfect storm. RV...
Who is the favourite?.....

James on a Suzuki fully focused on SX and MX with his old mechanic behind him could be the perfect storm.

RV rides best when he has something to prove, and he won't want Stewart taking his momentum, with the new team hype.

Dungey... the quietest of the big four... but probably the most consistent... but can he get the bike and his starts back to what they where in 2010?

Reed... one more year with his new team could make all the difference, I really think he could win the title, no one will get in his head and he always believes he can be better than anyone else.

Canard... style is there, speed is there, great team, Trey just needs to stay calm and take the pressure off himself.

In the lites classes, KTM with Roczen and Musquin could be hard to beat, Marvin is great at Supercross and has US experiance from a few years ago. Roczen might just be the best rider in world bar none in any class.

PC will have Dean who will want to win a sx title, and Baggest in his third year.. both can win, Durham will be fast too.

Geico Honda, Barcia will be all out to retain his title and Tomac will want to avenge his title loss, but it could be tougher this season.
Can you at least let Roczen come to America and win a 450 title before calling him the best in the world, Geez Mcsleez get your nose out of his butt !
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9/27/2011 9:10am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2011 7:56pm
mccread wrote:
Who is the favourite?..... James on a Suzuki fully focused on SX and MX with his old mechanic behind him could be the perfect storm. RV...
Who is the favourite?.....

James on a Suzuki fully focused on SX and MX with his old mechanic behind him could be the perfect storm.

RV rides best when he has something to prove, and he won't want Stewart taking his momentum, with the new team hype.

Dungey... the quietest of the big four... but probably the most consistent... but can he get the bike and his starts back to what they where in 2010?

Reed... one more year with his new team could make all the difference, I really think he could win the title, no one will get in his head and he always believes he can be better than anyone else.

Canard... style is there, speed is there, great team, Trey just needs to stay calm and take the pressure off himself.

In the lites classes, KTM with Roczen and Musquin could be hard to beat, Marvin is great at Supercross and has US experiance from a few years ago. Roczen might just be the best rider in world bar none in any class.

PC will have Dean who will want to win a sx title, and Baggest in his third year.. both can win, Durham will be fast too.

Geico Honda, Barcia will be all out to retain his title and Tomac will want to avenge his title loss, but it could be tougher this season.
Hallzilla wrote:
Can you at least let Roczen come to America and win a 450 title before calling him the best in the world, Geez Mcsleez get your...
Can you at least let Roczen come to America and win a 450 title before calling him the best in the world, Geez Mcsleez get your nose out of his butt !
Well, go easy on him. It's only his opinion after all. Obviously Roczen is a very fast rider. Just as obvious however is the fact that he is not the fastest in the world. He may become that, but he certainly isn't now. Despite McCread's occasional claim of being just as big a fan of U.S. racing as the GPs, his bias toward the GPs is readily apparent. But so what? He's human and we all have our biases.
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Does anyone know if CP is going to ride SX in 2012?
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9/27/2011 9:23am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2011 3:55pm
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Does anyone know if CP is going to ride SX in 2012?
Still waiting for the puzzle to fall together.
But I think Stewart & Reed will be the next couple pieces to fall into place...then everyone else will fall into place after that.
(I think RD & KTM is a done deal from what MXA is saying)
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9/27/2011 9:24am
rv reed and canard will be the three to watch for podium at rd 1.
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Fo fiddys- Reed, West- Rozcen, East-Barcia
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rv reed and canard will be the three to watch for podium at rd 1.
No Stewart?
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zippy895 wrote:
rv reed and canard will be the three to watch for podium at rd 1.
pilotdude wrote:
No Stewart?
You are right...Stewart may not be the top pick for the title, but when the gate drops, most eyes will be on him to see what he does.
9/27/2011 12:33pm
all I know, and I dont really know, and I might be completely wrong.... but!

you guys are going to shit when you see Home Depot/Team22/JSE show up at A1 on Hondas.
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9/27/2011 12:50pm Edited Date/Time 9/27/2011 3:16pm
and Mcread, its not the big 4.... its the big 5. Trey doesnt go outdoor testing, Im telling you now, and this is NOT biased this is proven history, when its on the line, and the pressure and challenge is on, Trey is NOT the guy you want to count out, ask RV! Trey doesnt get hurt, Im telling you now, as gospel, LV SX, there would have been a VERY real chance TC and Honda pick up their first 450 SX title.

RV's strength has always been to be able to up his speed if someone passes him, that and just raw ass, lock it to the stops and deal with it right wrist. RV's biggest weakness though, he overlooks and disregards his competition at times, and it seems to help fuel their motivation more than it fuels his unwavering belief in himself.

RD's strength has always been steady blinding speed and say what you want about his RC connection, he took a page out of Reed's book, look at the war, not the battle. His biggest weakness though, he wont drop the hammer on someone. Im not talking about breaking a leg, hes too cautious to run it in on someone when at times, regardless of the finish, he should do it to make a statement.

JS7, he can go, at any time, as fast as physics allows and sometimes over that. He doesnt look at the war, he knows he will win the war if he wins every battle. Its his biggest strength and his biggest weakness, there is absolutely no back down from JS, he will go faster and faster until he goes over the edge and down.

Reed, the only human to challenge two legends in their prime, and beat them. Reed knows you dont have to win every week, and if Reed is feeling it, RC and JS have nothing for him, both will go down trying to run that pace and we have seen it because it leads to all those straight up win threads. Problem is, like JS, its his biggest strength and his biggest weakness, sometimes, when its on the line, you have to step out to that edge, and Reed just wont as often, honestly if at all.

Which leads us to Trey. This guy can muscle a bike like RV/RC, pin-it and prey like, be agressive if you give him any daylight like Reed, and knows when to back down like Reed and RD, but also flat out get around a SX track as fast as physics allow and sometimes ala JS change the physics. His weakness, he gets in his own head to push and push that he looses sight of the fact hes in a battle every week, he can see the war, but he gets so focused on it, he looses sight of the battle. Im telling you now, if he can get just a hint of the relaxed MC attitude and confidence, he has all the pluses of the "big 4" and none of the minuses. Stamp it and thats not local boy biased.
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and Mcread, its not the big 4.... its the big 5. Trey doesnt go outdoor testing, Im telling you now, and this is NOT biased this...
and Mcread, its not the big 4.... its the big 5. Trey doesnt go outdoor testing, Im telling you now, and this is NOT biased this is proven history, when its on the line, and the pressure and challenge is on, Trey is NOT the guy you want to count out, ask RV! Trey doesnt get hurt, Im telling you now, as gospel, LV SX, there would have been a VERY real chance TC and Honda pick up their first 450 SX title.

RV's strength has always been to be able to up his speed if someone passes him, that and just raw ass, lock it to the stops and deal with it right wrist. RV's biggest weakness though, he overlooks and disregards his competition at times, and it seems to help fuel their motivation more than it fuels his unwavering belief in himself.

RD's strength has always been steady blinding speed and say what you want about his RC connection, he took a page out of Reed's book, look at the war, not the battle. His biggest weakness though, he wont drop the hammer on someone. Im not talking about breaking a leg, hes too cautious to run it in on someone when at times, regardless of the finish, he should do it to make a statement.

JS7, he can go, at any time, as fast as physics allows and sometimes over that. He doesnt look at the war, he knows he will win the war if he wins every battle. Its his biggest strength and his biggest weakness, there is absolutely no back down from JS, he will go faster and faster until he goes over the edge and down.

Reed, the only human to challenge two legends in their prime, and beat them. Reed knows you dont have to win every week, and if Reed is feeling it, RC and JS have nothing for him, both will go down trying to run that pace and we have seen it because it leads to all those straight up win threads. Problem is, like JS, its his biggest strength and his biggest weakness, sometimes, when its on the line, you have to step out to that edge, and Reed just wont as often, honestly if at all.

Which leads us to Trey. This guy can muscle a bike like RV/RC, pin-it and prey like, be agressive if you give him any daylight like Reed, and knows when to back down like Reed and RD, but also flat out get around a SX track as fast as physics allow and sometimes ala JS change the physics. His weakness, he gets in his own head to push and push that he looses sight of the fact hes in a battle every week, he can see the war, but he gets so focused on it, he looses sight of the battle. Im telling you now, if he can get just a hint of the relaxed MC attitude and confidence, he has all the pluses of the "big 4" and none of the minuses. Stamp it and thats not local boy biased.
Well said, I stand by my claim that TC is probably the most dangerous of the Big 5. If he ever catches fire he could get streaky. We haven't seen much but TC's only downfall IMO would be fitness. We know he can run the pace, but all the others can run it for 20 laps.
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Does anyone have 100% confirmation that Reed is riding Red, Dungey is Orange and Stewey is Yellow?? All I am getting is peoples opinions, rumors and 2nd hand jibberish... Is there any facts out there that support any of these statements that is public knowledge...

Who's to say that Goose didn't go to 22 Motorsports because that's where Dungey is going and the whole KTM deal is exactly what they want you to think.... Just sayin"
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9/27/2011 2:14pm Edited Date/Time 9/27/2011 2:18pm
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Does anyone have 100% confirmation that Reed is riding Red, Dungey is Orange and Stewey is Yellow?? All I am getting is peoples opinions, rumors and...
Does anyone have 100% confirmation that Reed is riding Red, Dungey is Orange and Stewey is Yellow?? All I am getting is peoples opinions, rumors and 2nd hand jibberish... Is there any facts out there that support any of these statements that is public knowledge...

Who's to say that Goose didn't go to 22 Motorsports because that's where Dungey is going and the whole KTM deal is exactly what they want you to think.... Just sayin"
MXA seems to be sold on Dungey to KTM.

"KTM’s Sport Director Pit Beirer has stated publicly that, "We are contractually obliged to wait until October 1 before we can announce our new signing in America." The concern is that Rockstar, which has been cited as one of the reasons that Dungey was less than enthralled with Suzuki in the first place, has the rights to him until the clock swings over to October 1, 2011. Once Dungey fulfills his contractual obligations at Suzuki, he will be free to be the subject of some anti-climatic KTM press releases (for the "I told you so" crowd)."
http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/THERE-IS-NO-MYSTERY-SURROUNDING…
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Roczen best rider in the world? He's not even the best rider (ie BETTER than everyone else) in 250s.
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I can sum up the 2012 season in 5 words: Its going to be good!

Lets just hope everyone makes it through pre-season SX testing healthy and on the gate for A1.
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I can sum up the 2012 season in 5 words: Its going to be good!

Lets just hope everyone makes it through pre-season SX testing healthy and on the gate for A1.

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