Despite our population....

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Seriously, I've heard people mention that we do so well because of how big the US is. You know what.....Germany has 1/3 the population in 1/50th of the size of our country.....Russia has more people....China has more people....Brazil has nearly as many.....so why all the god damned excuses? Just because American MXer's are born n bread to rip n shred....Look what the US mx scene has done for so many....Rattray....Roczen...Musquin...Swanepoel.....they are all faster now from racing here.....Wilson, Pourcel too...how much more exciting was the MXON this year because of all the international riders that have raced the US series now>?
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Seriously, I've heard people mention that we do so well because of how big the US is. You know what.....Germany has 1/3 the population in 1/50th...
Seriously, I've heard people mention that we do so well because of how big the US is. You know what.....Germany has 1/3 the population in 1/50th of the size of our country.....Russia has more people....China has more people....Brazil has nearly as many.....so why all the god damned excuses? Just because American MXer's are born n bread to rip n shred....Look what the US mx scene has done for so many....Rattray....Roczen...Musquin...Swanepoel.....they are all faster now from racing here.....Wilson, Pourcel too...how much more exciting was the MXON this year because of all the international riders that have raced the US series now>?
You had me until I saw the picture of you doing some retarded freestyle move.
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It's really not the poplulation size. It's the opportunity level. Not an excuse. Just reality. No reason to pit country vs country against each other if the opportunity is not the same. Make it a one rider per country event at the very least. Many countries have 1 top rider. Very few have 3. This is not 1970 anymore. Maybe time for a change to make it realistic.
9/18/2011 6:44pm
Seriously, I've heard people mention that we do so well because of how big the US is. You know what.....Germany has 1/3 the population in 1/50th...
Seriously, I've heard people mention that we do so well because of how big the US is. You know what.....Germany has 1/3 the population in 1/50th of the size of our country.....Russia has more people....China has more people....Brazil has nearly as many.....so why all the god damned excuses? Just because American MXer's are born n bread to rip n shred....Look what the US mx scene has done for so many....Rattray....Roczen...Musquin...Swanepoel.....they are all faster now from racing here.....Wilson, Pourcel too...how much more exciting was the MXON this year because of all the international riders that have raced the US series now>?
I think it's a mentality. U.S.A. riders kick ass because they have a mental edge. Look at RV...he will go, go, go until his opponent gives in. He haunted Dungey at that one race until the last lap. Never gave up. It's the mentality, dudes.

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Seriously, I've heard people mention that we do so well because of how big the US is. You know what.....Germany has 1/3 the population in 1/50th...
Seriously, I've heard people mention that we do so well because of how big the US is. You know what.....Germany has 1/3 the population in 1/50th of the size of our country.....Russia has more people....China has more people....Brazil has nearly as many.....so why all the god damned excuses? Just because American MXer's are born n bread to rip n shred....Look what the US mx scene has done for so many....Rattray....Roczen...Musquin...Swanepoel.....they are all faster now from racing here.....Wilson, Pourcel too...how much more exciting was the MXON this year because of all the international riders that have raced the US series now>?
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You had me until I saw the picture of you doing some retarded freestyle move.
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Say what you want about the euro's... I didn't see them running out on the track and stealing banners then saying that security was too strict.
9/18/2011 7:00pm
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Say what you want about the euro's... I didn't see them running out on the track and stealing banners then saying that security was too strict.
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9/18/2011 7:26pm
DPR250R wrote:
Say what you want about the euro's... I didn't see them running out on the track and stealing banners then saying that security was too strict.
The Simpletons...make me laugh every time....go put your bowtie back on n get to church....
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9/18/2011 7:37pm Edited Date/Time 9/18/2011 7:39pm
DPR250R wrote:
Say what you want about the euro's... I didn't see them running out on the track and stealing banners then saying that security was too strict.
The Simpletons...make me laugh every time....go put your bowtie back on n get to church....
Uhhhh.. Not being a thief makes you a simpleton? Weird....
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9/18/2011 8:36pm Edited Date/Time 9/18/2011 8:40pm
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wow. oldfart was right, this place has been on fire as of late. not even a open declaration of "shoot on site" by guyb can slow down the rediculousness. every thread seems to head in the same poor direction at the moment. again, wow.




as for this threads topic, if i understood it correctly, i wouldnt be against seeing us split up into four or five teams for the mxdn. like having a team for the west, midwest, south and northeast. it would make things much more fair. and to be honest, anyone who has traveled this country cant truthfully say that we are exactly one "culture". we're just about 20 different regions all joined at the hip by the same currency. our laws are different, language can differ quite a bit, and customs and whatnot are diverse enough to warrant multiple teams.
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The point is that there is as many mx racers in the US as there would be i the rest of the world. I know a few years ago I heard a stat that more dirtbikes are sold in Cali as in the rest of the world, so the pool of US riders would be equivalent to the rest of the world's pool of riders.

Russia, China LOL . . . . . and just how many russians or chinese race mx I wonder, probably about 20. . .

Per person I reckon that NZ would be the strongest mx country in the world, pop of only 4 mill and they have produced plenty of top riders over the past 10 years
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wow. oldfart was right, this place has been on fire as of late. not even a open declaration of "shoot on site" by guyb can slow...
wow. oldfart was right, this place has been on fire as of late. not even a open declaration of "shoot on site" by guyb can slow down the rediculousness. every thread seems to head in the same poor direction at the moment. again, wow.




as for this threads topic, if i understood it correctly, i wouldnt be against seeing us split up into four or five teams for the mxdn. like having a team for the west, midwest, south and northeast. it would make things much more fair. and to be honest, anyone who has traveled this country cant truthfully say that we are exactly one "culture". we're just about 20 different regions all joined at the hip by the same currency. our laws are different, language can differ quite a bit, and customs and whatnot are diverse enough to warrant multiple teams.
I have always thought this would be a good plan myself Mod. The only problem with that is , the Euro's could ( will ) complain about the USA having multiple teams. I wouldn't really blame them in doing so either. BUT.....on the flip side of the coin , even if we were to split the country in half ( like we do our lites class SX series ) it may be something that could get looked at by the race organization. That way......when one side loses , or doesn't get on the podium , we could all take part in bagging on that specific coast ( in a friendly way )

One other way is to just leave it as it is. We only get to pick three riders. A place like Russia , Italy , France , Sweden and so forth.....they "should" be able to pick 3 smokin fast dudes as well. If you really think about it for a second......3 guys out of the entire population of each individual country isn't asking to much.
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9/18/2011 9:22pm
1 rider per country. What is wrong with that?
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9/18/2011 9:25pm
If you had 5 US teams, it would only be a matter of time before the slower regional team was accused of blocking for the faster teams. The system they use now works as well as any single-day race format could work.
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well, if the "euros" were to complain, they would be hypocrites. europe often acts like they are one country, not continent. so the argument could be made, that they have multiple teams. especially since they tend to take credit for any euro accomplishment despite it being a country that they arent from.

furthermore, us having multiple teams wouldnt hedge our bets but rather dilute our teams talent.

there is no way they could make a logical argument against us being split up by region. its not like we would be any more dominant.

it would have many positive effects. it would increase the odds of us losing. and it would split up our fanbase and create more fan driven hysteria.

i dont share any more in common with people from the south than i do with people from portugal. i would have no problem rooting for a "westcoast usa team" and rooting against a "northeast region usa team". like i said earlier, all we share in common is currency and to be honest, a dollar here isnt even worth the same as a dollar elsewhere so the argument could be made that we dont even share the same currency value.
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Russia has a really fast kid right now, actually.

U.S. kids are raised/taught that they are the best in the world, at everything, which is ridiculous. Whether or not this is true doesn't matter. what DOES matter is that they believe it when they line up.

mental mindset + most competitive amateur program in the world = guys like Bogle walking in and shitting on people, or heaven forbid, Dunget coming out of the friggin "B" class and doing what he's done.
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by the way, anyone who wants to talk about the USA not having any couthe needs to watch the London riots. Seriously. Sheer barbarism. yet, you won't see me calling every englishman a lowlife.
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well, if the "euros" were to complain, they would be hypocrites. europe often acts like they are one country, not continent. so the argument could be...
well, if the "euros" were to complain, they would be hypocrites. europe often acts like they are one country, not continent. so the argument could be made, that they have multiple teams. especially since they tend to take credit for any euro accomplishment despite it being a country that they arent from.

furthermore, us having multiple teams wouldnt hedge our bets but rather dilute our teams talent.

there is no way they could make a logical argument against us being split up by region. its not like we would be any more dominant.

it would have many positive effects. it would increase the odds of us losing. and it would split up our fanbase and create more fan driven hysteria.

i dont share any more in common with people from the south than i do with people from portugal. i would have no problem rooting for a "westcoast usa team" and rooting against a "northeast region usa team". like i said earlier, all we share in common is currency and to be honest, a dollar here isnt even worth the same as a dollar elsewhere so the argument could be made that we dont even share the same currency value.
The US is 1 country. Why do you have a problem sending 1 rider? Just asking.
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9/18/2011 9:40pm Edited Date/Time 9/18/2011 9:40pm
Ive made numerous posts about this idea, lets divide the country east and west, and send two teams to kick ass. That way their could be a little inter-nation rivalry and make it more "fair".


But on the other had, how about the olympics?
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Let's just ban the USA from the event.
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Mstock wrote:
The US is 1 country. Why do you have a problem sending 1 rider? Just asking.
because in all reality, we arent one country. we are extremely diverse in our cultures, diets, versions of the english language, currency value, etc etc etc.

the reason the concept of sending multiple teams is talked about is because if we want to compare apples to apples, we should take into consideration the size of our population and the talent pool we have to pull from. italy vs california vs florida is just more fair than usa vs italy.....there's no way of denying that. and like i said, as a born and raised californian, i share about as much in common with people from the south as i do with people from germany or any other european country.


we're just talking. im not saying that the mxdn format sucks or anything. it makes no difference to me. im just saying that i understand the euro's when they say that we have a unfair talent pool to pull from. and its not unfair simply cause we as americans are inherently better at mx. we simply have a much deeper pool of talent to pull from.




on another note, are you suggesting we only send 1 rider to represent our country? or 1 per class? i may be confused by what you are asking. we send three cause there used to be 3 major displacement sizes.

imo, it should be changed to 125cc, 250cc, and 450/500cc. that would be cool. but again, im just thinking out loud.
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**PLEASE NOTE**

Euro (or Europe) is not every other country apart from the USA

Australia, New Zealand, Great Britian, Sth Africa, etc are NOT part of Europe

just so you know
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9/18/2011 10:31pm Edited Date/Time 9/18/2011 10:31pm
It would be great if we could hold the race as a 3 race series on three separate tracks. I know it doesn't work for a multitude of reasons but a guy can dream, can't he?

As far as a single rider from each country. An individual rider from any country can come here and contend for the AMA title. I know it's not quite the same prize but it is the biggest individual award. I'm pretty sure Australia has put Chad Reed in an elite class of VIPs because he proved that Australia was home to the fastest motocross rider in the world every year that he won an AMA title. Chad is actually more popular to Australia's general population than any American champion would be outside of the MX community from what I understand.
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9/18/2011 10:38pm Edited Date/Time 9/18/2011 10:44pm
zedbike wrote:
**PLEASE NOTE** Euro (or Europe) is not every other country apart from the USA Australia, New Zealand, Great Britian, Sth Africa, etc are NOT part of...
**PLEASE NOTE**

Euro (or Europe) is not every other country apart from the USA

Australia, New Zealand, Great Britian, Sth Africa, etc are NOT part of Europe

just so you know
What are you smoking? Great Britain is not part of Europe? Really?
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9/18/2011 10:38pm
zedbike wrote:
**PLEASE NOTE** Euro (or Europe) is not every other country apart from the USA Australia, New Zealand, Great Britian, Sth Africa, etc are NOT part of...
**PLEASE NOTE**

Euro (or Europe) is not every other country apart from the USA

Australia, New Zealand, Great Britian, Sth Africa, etc are NOT part of Europe

just so you know
Seriously, I'm ashamed for the amount of people here that will be surprised when they find out this is true. You will need proof for some of them and it still may not help.Dizzy
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9/18/2011 10:45pm Edited Date/Time 9/18/2011 10:47pm
Yes Kongols really - Britian is part of Britian, nothing else, they are a counrty on their own. . . . . I am not shocked by the lack of world knowledge after Jeff Emigs " it gets hot in Africa?" statement

Chad is hardly known outside motorcycle fans in Aust, the only thing people know is that some motorbiker riders get in the top sportsman money lists, but they wouldn't know the difference between Stoner or Reed, they just ride motorcycles.
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I don't think splitting the USA up into two teams would go over very well. It will just move one more country off the podium.Wink
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Yes Kongols really - Britian is part of Britian, nothing else, they are a counrty on their own. . . . . I am not shocked...
Yes Kongols really - Britian is part of Britian, nothing else, they are a counrty on their own. . . . . I am not shocked by the lack of world knowledge after Jeff Emigs " it gets hot in Africa?" statement

Chad is hardly known outside motorcycle fans in Aust, the only thing people know is that some motorbiker riders get in the top sportsman money lists, but they wouldn't know the difference between Stoner or Reed, they just ride motorcycles.
OK, then I ask who is a part of Europe if GB is not one?
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Well the countries that are part of the continent called Europe include France, Germany, Italy, Greece, etc (lots of others I cant be shagged typing)

There is and ocean between England and Europe (quite a narrow stretch of ocean).

Check out a map of the world one day mate!

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