What does the AMA do for motocross?

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9/14/2011 1:09pm
Can't think of any..makes me think ..hmmm..What do they really do?
9/14/2011 1:26pm
What about a new great Pro/Am series? I mean the ama sx is not for everybody, (too technical and too brutal?), 12 rounds of pro MX for a great country like USA it's not enough.

USMX Pro/Am, 12 or 15 (!) rounds between January and the begining of May (or between September and December) , four class, 450, 250, two-strokes, and Woman's class, you can put on it the Florida Winter and the Golden State series! IMHO many riders like Ricky Dietrich, Mike Brown, Broc Hepler or many foreigners riders will be interested! it's just an opinion, nothing serious, but if I was billionaire ... sorry for my bad English
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9/14/2011 1:39pm
motogrady wrote:
Mod killer brought up the only thing I know is good, that is keeping the series in the USA. But from what I understand, they had...
Mod killer brought up the only thing I know is good, that is keeping the series in the USA.
But from what I understand, they had to. DMG was the high bidder. YS had not the coin.
So that goes out the door also.

The main thing the AMA has is history. Tradition. All the top guys everyone knows raced AMA.
They are the standard, like it or not, and have been for 100 years.
You want to stand next to McGrath, Reswerber, Carr and the like, you race AMA.

cmc, mama, nma, what the hell is that?
Really ?? you want to go there ?? big FU why don't you ask MC who turned him Pro.

Sondra
CMC
Totally agree, Jeremy had the goods before he had to join AMA. They made money on him too, likeness or image in ads and swag, he got nothing for that and had to pay entry fees. (his teams did anyway)
I guess motogrady never heard of the Gloden State Nationals.
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motogrady wrote:
Mod killer brought up the only thing I know is good, that is keeping the series in the USA. But from what I understand, they had...
Mod killer brought up the only thing I know is good, that is keeping the series in the USA.
But from what I understand, they had to. DMG was the high bidder. YS had not the coin.
So that goes out the door also.

The main thing the AMA has is history. Tradition. All the top guys everyone knows raced AMA.
They are the standard, like it or not, and have been for 100 years.
You want to stand next to McGrath, Reswerber, Carr and the like, you race AMA.

cmc, mama, nma, what the hell is that?
Really ?? you want to go there ?? big FU why don't you ask MC who turned him Pro.

Sondra
CMC
Yeah I'll go there. It's a great series, as is the "Golden State Nationals."
Hat's off to all those who live their life for them.
But you must admit, it's a local series. Both of them.
It's great they gave platform to McGrath on his way up.
But to compare either of those two, to the AMA, come on.
250,000 members, covering the whole spectrum of motorcycling, for what, a century?

If anyone doesn't see that, well I ani't gonna say Fuck You.
I'm gonna say wake up.

The Shop

9/14/2011 9:00pm
Does the AMA pay riders for using their image, or are they obligated if they buy the required membership?
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It is the best org ever,

Who could you compare it to? The Euro championships or the FIM. The Euros pale in comparison. Our riders get paid better than anyone in the industry (sponsor, factories, ect) we have SX which again no one can match. Like the US, it is not without faults but it is still the best. Argue all you want but the fastest riders race the AMA and the best riders come here to race.
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9/14/2011 9:23pm
The fact that they are the sanctioning body legitimizes the series championship.
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ONe thing for sure. THey (AMA), or rather "US", can be a very easy target. Something goes wrong point, AMA is the easy target.

I don't have time to go through all the bullshit in this post point by point, but one that rattles my cage is teh National Advancement system that I personally spent 12 years working, helping and still am involved with. How does a rider get advanced or better yet how does the process work in non ama areas........ya.....it doesn't or isn't available for all.

What was there before? a few districts did the job and the rest willy nilly didn't do shit.

Today there is a system, isn't perfect, but it's working. Want to duck it, go ahead, we will fix those "baggers" every year as we can. Loop holes will be there and we can on a yearly basis work on that, but something is being done.

AMA is much larger then "motocross" and it's national sanctioning body with agreements with international organizations. So "they suck" pretty simple that gets tireing. 39.00 doesn't fill your gas tank, yet for that you have rules, sanctioning, magazine, etc etc etc..... Not to mention a group of people who make it thier job to better motorcycling and Atv riding.

Instead of blasting the people that work thier tails off to do the job, Help. Pretty easy to comment and critize from the grand stands.

This house hold has been part of the process for over 20 years, like many hundreds of others I know.

flame on.
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9/15/2011 10:48am
motogrady wrote:
Mod killer brought up the only thing I know is good, that is keeping the series in the USA. But from what I understand, they had...
Mod killer brought up the only thing I know is good, that is keeping the series in the USA.
But from what I understand, they had to. DMG was the high bidder. YS had not the coin.
So that goes out the door also.

The main thing the AMA has is history. Tradition. All the top guys everyone knows raced AMA.
They are the standard, like it or not, and have been for 100 years.
You want to stand next to McGrath, Reswerber, Carr and the like, you race AMA.

cmc, mama, nma, what the hell is that?
Really ?? you want to go there ?? big FU why don't you ask MC who turned him Pro.

Sondra
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motogrady wrote:
Yeah I'll go there. It's a great series, as is the "Golden State Nationals." Hat's off to all those who live their life for them. But...
Yeah I'll go there. It's a great series, as is the "Golden State Nationals."
Hat's off to all those who live their life for them.
But you must admit, it's a local series. Both of them.
It's great they gave platform to McGrath on his way up.
But to compare either of those two, to the AMA, come on.
250,000 members, covering the whole spectrum of motorcycling, for what, a century?

If anyone doesn't see that, well I ani't gonna say Fuck You.
I'm gonna say wake up.
You're an ass I'm a member of the AMA and I don't race, anyone can be a member, your G-ma, that's why 250,000 members. My dad is legitimate, he built the fist mx track in the US and he ran the first AMA MX national in the US back in the 70's, and for that he will be honored in the AMA Hall of Fame in November. CMC turned a lot of people Pro, to be able to race the AMA Nationals.

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wardy wrote:
ONe thing for sure. THey (AMA), or rather "US", can be a very easy target. Something goes wrong point, AMA is the easy target. I don't...
ONe thing for sure. THey (AMA), or rather "US", can be a very easy target. Something goes wrong point, AMA is the easy target.

I don't have time to go through all the bullshit in this post point by point, but one that rattles my cage is teh National Advancement system that I personally spent 12 years working, helping and still am involved with. How does a rider get advanced or better yet how does the process work in non ama areas........ya.....it doesn't or isn't available for all.

What was there before? a few districts did the job and the rest willy nilly didn't do shit.

Today there is a system, isn't perfect, but it's working. Want to duck it, go ahead, we will fix those "baggers" every year as we can. Loop holes will be there and we can on a yearly basis work on that, but something is being done.

AMA is much larger then "motocross" and it's national sanctioning body with agreements with international organizations. So "they suck" pretty simple that gets tireing. 39.00 doesn't fill your gas tank, yet for that you have rules, sanctioning, magazine, etc etc etc..... Not to mention a group of people who make it thier job to better motorcycling and Atv riding.

Instead of blasting the people that work thier tails off to do the job, Help. Pretty easy to comment and critize from the grand stands.

This house hold has been part of the process for over 20 years, like many hundreds of others I know.

flame on.
I have to agree with Wardy on this one and he could have written many more paragraphs if he had time.


For all you bashing the AMA- tell me what organization does more on a National front for motorcycling.
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neysbo wrote:
I have to agree with Wardy on this one and he could have written many more paragraphs if he had time. For all you bashing the...
I have to agree with Wardy on this one and he could have written many more paragraphs if he had time.


For all you bashing the AMA- tell me what organization does more on a National front for motorcycling.
Them: And I don't bash the AMA, we need them, just pointing out a group who is equal if not more ! AMA was started for a reason, and they do what they are supposed to do, we back them, and we need to back them so they can fight for our rights. I know Glamis and Pismo would be gone if not for them. And I don't go to either place. Desert is going to be gone soon though, the rangers are pricing it out so high you can't afford to run there.

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I am a member, for some unknown reason , guess its my $39 donation, lol.
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Really ?? you want to go there ?? big FU why don't you ask MC who turned him Pro.

Sondra
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motogrady wrote:
Yeah I'll go there. It's a great series, as is the "Golden State Nationals." Hat's off to all those who live their life for them. But...
Yeah I'll go there. It's a great series, as is the "Golden State Nationals."
Hat's off to all those who live their life for them.
But you must admit, it's a local series. Both of them.
It's great they gave platform to McGrath on his way up.
But to compare either of those two, to the AMA, come on.
250,000 members, covering the whole spectrum of motorcycling, for what, a century?

If anyone doesn't see that, well I ani't gonna say Fuck You.
I'm gonna say wake up.
You're an ass I'm a member of the AMA and I don't race, anyone can be a member, your G-ma, that's why 250,000 members. My dad...
You're an ass I'm a member of the AMA and I don't race, anyone can be a member, your G-ma, that's why 250,000 members. My dad is legitimate, he built the fist mx track in the US and he ran the first AMA MX national in the US back in the 70's, and for that he will be honored in the AMA Hall of Fame in November. CMC turned a lot of people Pro, to be able to race the AMA Nationals.

S
Hey, did I say you or your Dad havn't been in the game from the git go?
We all know he's been a player from way back when. You've informed us before.
Glad to see he's being honored for what he's done.
But that still doesn't put CMC or the Golden State Championships on the same
level of the AMA or the Outdoor Nationals. They're both regional. There are others that produce
pros for the big time also, you guys don't have a lock on that. Who runs the Northeast local scene
where Dowd came from? What about the Southeast, where RC hails? Does Loretta Lynns
count as a pro springboard or what?

As far as Gma filling the AMA ranks of street, Roadracing, dirttrack and all the other venues of the world of bikes,
that's just stupid. You sound like a jealous little bitch sometimes, face it, the USA doesn't revolve around
CMC or Sondy. Even tho you might think they do.

Now, tell me again how important you are.
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9/15/2011 11:53am
motogrady wrote:
Yeah I'll go there. It's a great series, as is the "Golden State Nationals." Hat's off to all those who live their life for them. But...
Yeah I'll go there. It's a great series, as is the "Golden State Nationals."
Hat's off to all those who live their life for them.
But you must admit, it's a local series. Both of them.
It's great they gave platform to McGrath on his way up.
But to compare either of those two, to the AMA, come on.
250,000 members, covering the whole spectrum of motorcycling, for what, a century?

If anyone doesn't see that, well I ani't gonna say Fuck You.
I'm gonna say wake up.
You're an ass I'm a member of the AMA and I don't race, anyone can be a member, your G-ma, that's why 250,000 members. My dad...
You're an ass I'm a member of the AMA and I don't race, anyone can be a member, your G-ma, that's why 250,000 members. My dad is legitimate, he built the fist mx track in the US and he ran the first AMA MX national in the US back in the 70's, and for that he will be honored in the AMA Hall of Fame in November. CMC turned a lot of people Pro, to be able to race the AMA Nationals.

S
motogrady wrote:
Hey, did I say you or your Dad havn't been in the game from the git go? We all know he's been a player from way...
Hey, did I say you or your Dad havn't been in the game from the git go?
We all know he's been a player from way back when. You've informed us before.
Glad to see he's being honored for what he's done.
But that still doesn't put CMC or the Golden State Championships on the same
level of the AMA or the Outdoor Nationals. They're both regional. There are others that produce
pros for the big time also, you guys don't have a lock on that. Who runs the Northeast local scene
where Dowd came from? What about the Southeast, where RC hails? Does Loretta Lynns
count as a pro springboard or what?

As far as Gma filling the AMA ranks of street, Roadracing, dirttrack and all the other venues of the world of bikes,
that's just stupid. You sound like a jealous little bitch sometimes, face it, the USA doesn't revolve around
CMC or Sondy. Even tho you might think they do.

Now, tell me again how important you are.
LOL!
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9/15/2011 11:57am
motogrady wrote:
Hey, did I say you or your Dad havn't been in the game from the git go? We all know he's been a player from way...
Hey, did I say you or your Dad havn't been in the game from the git go?
We all know he's been a player from way back when. You've informed us before.
Glad to see he's being honored for what he's done.
But that still doesn't put CMC or the Golden State Championships on the same
level of the AMA or the Outdoor Nationals. They're both regional. There are others that produce
pros for the big time also, you guys don't have a lock on that. Who runs the Northeast local scene
where Dowd came from? What about the Southeast, where RC hails? Does Loretta Lynns
count as a pro springboard or what?

As far as Gma filling the AMA ranks of street, Roadracing, dirttrack and all the other venues of the world of bikes,
that's just stupid. You sound like a jealous little bitch sometimes, face it, the USA doesn't revolve around
CMC or Sondy. Even tho you might think they do.

Now, tell me again how important you are.
Never said I was important. Jealous bitch ? sure whatever you want to think dick. Flat Track, Road Racing and Speedway are almost gone...AMA doesn't have SX, That's Feld and MX is MXSports...maybe you should do your homework.

S
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newmann wrote:
Spending $750,000.00 of members money to help that crook Jeff Smith and AHRMA defend a frivolous pissing match lawsuit with a high powered big city attorney...
Spending $750,000.00 of members money to help that crook Jeff Smith and AHRMA defend a frivolous pissing match lawsuit with a high powered big city attorney was such a wise investment too.
Canyon Lake, CA ??

S
Hey, they way they were burned back in the 90's, with the Edmondson suit, I would have been careful also.
They lost millions back then. In that regard Dingman did good, played AHRMA into a corner and cut them out when they couldn't deliver.

I dunno, you would think, as the big kahuna, the AMA would promote us to the mainstream a bit more.
Domino's Pizza, Ford, Chevrolet, Subway, all push their product on the US public, so the franchises thrive.

Where's the AMA on promoting the sport in general?
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motogrady wrote:
Hey, did I say you or your Dad havn't been in the game from the git go? We all know he's been a player from way...
Hey, did I say you or your Dad havn't been in the game from the git go?
We all know he's been a player from way back when. You've informed us before.
Glad to see he's being honored for what he's done.
But that still doesn't put CMC or the Golden State Championships on the same
level of the AMA or the Outdoor Nationals. They're both regional. There are others that produce
pros for the big time also, you guys don't have a lock on that. Who runs the Northeast local scene
where Dowd came from? What about the Southeast, where RC hails? Does Loretta Lynns
count as a pro springboard or what?

As far as Gma filling the AMA ranks of street, Roadracing, dirttrack and all the other venues of the world of bikes,
that's just stupid. You sound like a jealous little bitch sometimes, face it, the USA doesn't revolve around
CMC or Sondy. Even tho you might think they do.

Now, tell me again how important you are.
Never said I was important. Jealous bitch ? sure whatever you want to think dick. Flat Track, Road Racing and Speedway are almost gone...AMA doesn't have...
Never said I was important. Jealous bitch ? sure whatever you want to think dick. Flat Track, Road Racing and Speedway are almost gone...AMA doesn't have SX, That's Feld and MX is MXSports...maybe you should do your homework.

S
Yeah, right, everyone else is finished, MX is the only thing happening, your world is the center of the universe.
I don't need to do my homework, I've been around and paying attention before you were born little girl.

OK, I'll put it another way, tell me why you think the AMA is not a bigger, stronger, well known organization with
much more influence, than your CMC organization is/has?
Tell me, I wanna hear this.
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9/15/2011 12:15pm Edited Date/Time 9/15/2011 12:20pm
motogrady wrote:
Hey, they way they were burned back in the 90's, with the Edmondson suit, I would have been careful also. They lost millions back then. In...
Hey, they way they were burned back in the 90's, with the Edmondson suit, I would have been careful also.
They lost millions back then. In that regard Dingman did good, played AHRMA into a corner and cut them out when they couldn't deliver.

I dunno, you would think, as the big kahuna, the AMA would promote us to the mainstream a bit more.
Domino's Pizza, Ford, Chevrolet, Subway, all push their product on the US public, so the franchises thrive.

Where's the AMA on promoting the sport in general?
What is "the sport in general" you're referring to? Motorcycling as a whole or particular segment?

Anyway I can't agree with your "as the big Kahuna, the AMA" line. The AMA got out of Pro Racing when they sold everything to DMG and as I understand the AMA in Ohio is more focused on street bike riders but they're still a big factor in important off road issues like the lead law and protecting off roader rights.

BTW I have to agree with Sondra that you should do some homework. She spoke the truth when she said AMA doesn't have SX, That's Feld and MX is MXSports. I think Feld has SX until 2019 and MX Sports has the Nationals I believe through 2013 if not 2014 then the lease will come up again.
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9/15/2011 12:17pm Edited Date/Time 9/15/2011 12:32pm
motogrady wrote:
Hey, did I say you or your Dad havn't been in the game from the git go? We all know he's been a player from way...
Hey, did I say you or your Dad havn't been in the game from the git go?
We all know he's been a player from way back when. You've informed us before.
Glad to see he's being honored for what he's done.
But that still doesn't put CMC or the Golden State Championships on the same
level of the AMA or the Outdoor Nationals. They're both regional. There are others that produce
pros for the big time also, you guys don't have a lock on that. Who runs the Northeast local scene
where Dowd came from? What about the Southeast, where RC hails? Does Loretta Lynns
count as a pro springboard or what?

As far as Gma filling the AMA ranks of street, Roadracing, dirttrack and all the other venues of the world of bikes,
that's just stupid. You sound like a jealous little bitch sometimes, face it, the USA doesn't revolve around
CMC or Sondy. Even tho you might think they do.

Now, tell me again how important you are.
Never said I was important. Jealous bitch ? sure whatever you want to think dick. Flat Track, Road Racing and Speedway are almost gone...AMA doesn't have...
Never said I was important. Jealous bitch ? sure whatever you want to think dick. Flat Track, Road Racing and Speedway are almost gone...AMA doesn't have SX, That's Feld and MX is MXSports...maybe you should do your homework.

S
motogrady wrote:
Yeah, right, everyone else is finished, MX is the only thing happening, your world is the center of the universe. I don't need to do my...
Yeah, right, everyone else is finished, MX is the only thing happening, your world is the center of the universe.
I don't need to do my homework, I've been around and paying attention before you were born little girl.

OK, I'll put it another way, tell me why you think the AMA is not a bigger, stronger, well known organization with
much more influence, than your CMC organization is/has?
Tell me, I wanna hear this.
You're old and cranky I see that. I never said they weren't bigger faster stronger than CMC, you posted "cmc, mama, nma, what the hell is that?" And I was defending CMC, because my father has had a HUGE influence on MX and the industry, you just don't know it cause you're being an ass. You know not every club in the US is AMA, my dad helped make this possible. CMC has contributed to the sport.

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9/15/2011 12:27pm Edited Date/Time 9/15/2011 12:27pm
A little note people

Then: as it happen back then

Than: it is better than, stronger than


Sooooo many people screw this up. Why?

Sorry, but this drives me nuts
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big FU ? You're an ass? dick? come on with the insults, you are bigger than that.
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9/15/2011 12:30pm Edited Date/Time 9/15/2011 12:31pm
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big FU ? You're an ass? dick? come on with the insults, you are bigger than that.
FU too =)
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A little note people Then: as it happen back then Than: it is better than, stronger than Sooooo many people screw this up. Why? Sorry, but...
A little note people

Then: as it happen back then

Than: it is better than, stronger than


Sooooo many people screw this up. Why?

Sorry, but this drives me nuts
One time and I won't do it again !

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Never said I was important. Jealous bitch ? sure whatever you want to think dick. Flat Track, Road Racing and Speedway are almost gone...AMA doesn't have...
Never said I was important. Jealous bitch ? sure whatever you want to think dick. Flat Track, Road Racing and Speedway are almost gone...AMA doesn't have SX, That's Feld and MX is MXSports...maybe you should do your homework.

S
motogrady wrote:
Yeah, right, everyone else is finished, MX is the only thing happening, your world is the center of the universe. I don't need to do my...
Yeah, right, everyone else is finished, MX is the only thing happening, your world is the center of the universe.
I don't need to do my homework, I've been around and paying attention before you were born little girl.

OK, I'll put it another way, tell me why you think the AMA is not a bigger, stronger, well known organization with
much more influence, than your CMC organization is/has?
Tell me, I wanna hear this.
You're old and cranky I see that. I never said they weren't bigger faster stronger than CMC, you posted[b] "cmc, mama, nma, what the hell is...
You're old and cranky I see that. I never said they weren't bigger faster stronger than CMC, you posted "cmc, mama, nma, what the hell is that?" And I was defending CMC, because my father has had a HUGE influence on MX and the industry, you just don't know it cause you're being an ass. You know not every club in the US is AMA, my dad helped make this possible. CMC has contributed to the sport.

S
You got pissed because I brought to light the fact that everyone has heard of the AMA, but some might
and do, wonder what CMC is. Guys were talking about why is the AMA such a big deal. I stated my reasons,
one of which is they are more well known, at least nationally if not globally, than any other group, club or organization.
Hey, you might not like it, but ask half the people at next years Budds, or the guys roadracing at Daytona,
or the people attending the annual GoldWing convention wherever they have it, what the AMA is.
Then ask them what CMC is.
Hey, I apologize if I offended you guys, but what do you think the answer would be?
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A little note people Then: as it happen back then Than: it is better than, stronger than Sooooo many people screw this up. Why? Sorry, but...
A little note people

Then: as it happen back then

Than: it is better than, stronger than


Sooooo many people screw this up. Why?

Sorry, but this drives me nuts
Because there are some that find the details of Proper English trivial, and left best to the book worms
that it bothers so.
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9/15/2011 12:58pm Edited Date/Time 9/15/2011 1:00pm
downandup wrote:
A little note people Then: as it happen back then Than: it is better than, stronger than Sooooo many people screw this up. Why? Sorry, but...
A little note people

Then: as it happen back then

Than: it is better than, stronger than


Sooooo many people screw this up. Why?

Sorry, but this drives me nuts
motogrady wrote:
Because there are some that find the details of Proper English trivial, and left best to the book worms
that it bothers so.
And then there are others who don't find calling Sondy a bitch trivial and get rather offended when they see it.
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9/15/2011 1:06pm Edited Date/Time 9/15/2011 1:09pm
downandup wrote:
A little note people Then: as it happen back then Than: it is better than, stronger than Sooooo many people screw this up. Why? Sorry, but...
A little note people

Then: as it happen back then

Than: it is better than, stronger than


Sooooo many people screw this up. Why?

Sorry, but this drives me nuts
motogrady wrote:
Because there are some that find the details of Proper English trivial, and left best to the book worms
that it bothers so.
downandup wrote:
And then there are others who don't find calling Sondy a bitch trivial and get rather offended when they see it.
So, I take it you don't mind being called an ass, or FU, and wouldn't be offended by Sondy doing so?

What would you do? Just shut up?
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9/15/2011 1:20pm
motogrady wrote:
Because there are some that find the details of Proper English trivial, and left best to the book worms
that it bothers so.
downandup wrote:
And then there are others who don't find calling Sondy a bitch trivial and get rather offended when they see it.
motogrady wrote:
So, I take it you don't mind being called an ass, or FU, and wouldn't be offended by Sondy doing so? What would you do? Just...
So, I take it you don't mind being called an ass, or FU, and wouldn't be offended by Sondy doing so?

What would you do? Just shut up?
Just double standards grady LOL!
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9/15/2011 1:22pm
downandup wrote:
And then there are others who don't find calling Sondy a bitch trivial and get rather offended when they see it.
Sondy dishes it more than any other member on this board, surely she can take it too.
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9/15/2011 1:27pm
FIGHT!!!!!!!

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