Racers, racing for other racers. What?

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Why would any serious professional racer, want to race for another racer? I don’t think it’s a very good career move for any serious professional racer. The only example I have is Kyle Regal, racing for James Stewart and the reason it's a bad example is because Regal didn't choose to ride for Stewart. Regal was caught in the middle of a mid-season company take over and didn’t know that Stewart was going to be his boss. But in the end, Stewart was make decisions for Regal as the new team owner. Regal was not allowed to race the nationals this year, because Stewart didn’t want to race the Outdoor series. Is this good for Regal’s career? I’d say, NO, but Regal doesn’t have a choice. Now Regal is in a difficult situation finding a ride for 2012, because he’s been off the radar and out of sight for months. This situation did not turn out very well!

Now Reed is talking other racers about coming to the 22 Motorsports team. Do you really believe Reed will have his teammates best interest in mind when making decisions about the team? No, he’s going to make the call on what will benefit his racing career and the teammate will have to do what ever is decided for the direction of the team.

Having a racer making decisions for another racer is not right. The racer that’s making the decisions for the team and his teammate is going to make to call on what’s best for himself personally and not the other guy. In a normal sponsorship situation, the races do not have say in the direction making of the team, but in the normal team sponsoring a rider situation there isn’t the 3rd dimension of the boss being a racer and at the end of the day the boss / rider and the teammate are competitors.

Think about this, what if the teammate that was hired was able to beat the boss? Do you really believe that would go over well in a team environment? I’d say it would go over like a fart in church. Everyone on the team would be torn. Do they cheer for the teammate or do they take the side of the guy that pays their salary? If you look at this situation, it’s not good for any rider to race for another racer. They would always have to be 2nd to the boss / rider.
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San Manuel Yamaha was never going to race outdoors, no matter whether LM Racing was running it or JSE. It has nothing to do with James Stewart's desires. The decision to be supercross-only comes from the primary funding for the team--the San Manuel Band of Mission Indians. The riders have nothing to do with it. San Manuel Yamaha has been SX-only since its inception. That's the way it was for Reed, that's the way it has been for everything the team has ever done.

So your diatribe about Stewart ruining Regal's outdoor ride at San Manuel Yamaha doesn't hold water. He signed on for SX-only because that's all the team does.

NASCAR drivers are able to own teams that hire other drivers, and it seems to work out fine. Are you suggesting that motocross racers are any less capable of running a business than NASCAR drivers?
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motocrossed?
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motocrossed?
LOL that's what I was thinking when I read the title. I'm refusing to contribute any info to this thread about my kids trading jerseys because the idiots at AHRMA won't let anyone under the age of 16 compete in the vintage races. F'n idiots. Oooops, did I let something slip???Pinch
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HighCam wrote:
Why would any serious professional racer, want to race for another racer? I don’t think it’s a very good career move for any serious professional racer...
Why would any serious professional racer, want to race for another racer? I don’t think it’s a very good career move for any serious professional racer. The only example I have is Kyle Regal, racing for James Stewart and the reason it's a bad example is because Regal didn't choose to ride for Stewart. Regal was caught in the middle of a mid-season company take over and didn’t know that Stewart was going to be his boss. But in the end, Stewart was make decisions for Regal as the new team owner. Regal was not allowed to race the nationals this year, because Stewart didn’t want to race the Outdoor series. Is this good for Regal’s career? I’d say, NO, but Regal doesn’t have a choice. Now Regal is in a difficult situation finding a ride for 2012, because he’s been off the radar and out of sight for months. This situation did not turn out very well!

Now Reed is talking other racers about coming to the 22 Motorsports team. Do you really believe Reed will have his teammates best interest in mind when making decisions about the team? No, he’s going to make the call on what will benefit his racing career and the teammate will have to do what ever is decided for the direction of the team.

Having a racer making decisions for another racer is not right. The racer that’s making the decisions for the team and his teammate is going to make to call on what’s best for himself personally and not the other guy. In a normal sponsorship situation, the races do not have say in the direction making of the team, but in the normal team sponsoring a rider situation there isn’t the 3rd dimension of the boss being a racer and at the end of the day the boss / rider and the teammate are competitors.

Think about this, what if the teammate that was hired was able to beat the boss? Do you really believe that would go over well in a team environment? I’d say it would go over like a fart in church. Everyone on the team would be torn. Do they cheer for the teammate or do they take the side of the guy that pays their salary? If you look at this situation, it’s not good for any rider to race for another racer. They would always have to be 2nd to the boss / rider.
I get your point but remember that other than the top 5, these guys need a weekly paycheck just like the rest of us. The only jobs the other 35 guys racing the Nats can do pays minimum wage. You take anything you can get regardless of future consequence to your career because you have to pay your mortgage. And 7.75/hour is not going to do that. There are very few paying jobs in the world of pro moto.
What wins on Saturday no longer sells on Monday. Honda has always sold more 450's and they can't buy a 450 title. No clue why sponsors pay huge for wins and next to nothing for 5th. The riders off track performance sells product more than results. Guys like Short are moving the sport forward. But they are not top 3 so they get jacked.
How many Yamahas has Stewart sold? After watching that thing cartwheel hundreds of time I think he has actually cost Yamaha sales. And they are paying HIM? James should be writting Yamaha checks on a weekly basis.
It has come down to survival for everyone except the top 5. The entire industry is pure fan boy. If you win you are a millionare. If you are 5th on back you ain't shit and destitute.
Since the sport can (barely) financially support 10-15 riders per class why not limit the gates to 15-20 riders? What the hell is with this volenteer labor shit? At least inform the people in attendance and watching on TV that the top 5 guys are millionares and the rest are pulling under 50K for their efforts. It would make the results more understandable when more than half the pack is lapped at every event.

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Let broc bye
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Ask Ryan Newman if driving for Tony Stewart has hindered his career much. My guess would be that it hasn't. Wink
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newmann wrote:
LOL that's what I was thinking when I read the title. I'm refusing to contribute any info to this thread about my kids trading jerseys because...
LOL that's what I was thinking when I read the title. I'm refusing to contribute any info to this thread about my kids trading jerseys because the idiots at AHRMA won't let anyone under the age of 16 compete in the vintage races. F'n idiots. Oooops, did I let something slip???Pinch
I'd call you a cheater, if I hadn't let a friend race the second moto for me once at the Washougal amateur day when I wadded it up in the first moto. I'm sure somebody out there in the pacific northwest feels cheated out of a 7th place trophy.
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7/29/2011 8:18pm
HighCam wrote:
Why would any serious professional racer, want to race for another racer? I don’t think it’s a very good career move for any serious professional racer...
Why would any serious professional racer, want to race for another racer? I don’t think it’s a very good career move for any serious professional racer. The only example I have is Kyle Regal, racing for James Stewart and the reason it's a bad example is because Regal didn't choose to ride for Stewart. Regal was caught in the middle of a mid-season company take over and didn’t know that Stewart was going to be his boss. But in the end, Stewart was make decisions for Regal as the new team owner. Regal was not allowed to race the nationals this year, because Stewart didn’t want to race the Outdoor series. Is this good for Regal’s career? I’d say, NO, but Regal doesn’t have a choice. Now Regal is in a difficult situation finding a ride for 2012, because he’s been off the radar and out of sight for months. This situation did not turn out very well!

Now Reed is talking other racers about coming to the 22 Motorsports team. Do you really believe Reed will have his teammates best interest in mind when making decisions about the team? No, he’s going to make the call on what will benefit his racing career and the teammate will have to do what ever is decided for the direction of the team.

Having a racer making decisions for another racer is not right. The racer that’s making the decisions for the team and his teammate is going to make to call on what’s best for himself personally and not the other guy. In a normal sponsorship situation, the races do not have say in the direction making of the team, but in the normal team sponsoring a rider situation there isn’t the 3rd dimension of the boss being a racer and at the end of the day the boss / rider and the teammate are competitors.

Think about this, what if the teammate that was hired was able to beat the boss? Do you really believe that would go over well in a team environment? I’d say it would go over like a fart in church. Everyone on the team would be torn. Do they cheer for the teammate or do they take the side of the guy that pays their salary? If you look at this situation, it’s not good for any rider to race for another racer. They would always have to be 2nd to the boss / rider.
I don't know about JSE/San Manuel (or whoever pays the bills now) but, I would think that on TwoTwo, it's Ozzy's job to take care of the riders best interests. I'm sure, if they get another guy, they won't give him preference over the boss but I can't see them paying for someone and then holding him back. No matter who is winning, it makes the team worth more. It might be tough to take but They wouldn't go after a top rider like Dungey or Alessi if Chad isn't prepared to get beat by the teammate.
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7/29/2011 9:41pm
It always comes down to the character of the guy that pays the bills. Chad seems like a good dude, I'd work for him. Plus, he's winding down his career and I think building up 22 Motorsports might keep him in the game when he's done racing.
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I was thinking that this type of team dynamic does work in NASCAR, but there are many others involved and overseeing the teams and not just a a few people like on a motocross team. In NASCAR the teams are run desperate, especially on race day and in Motocross the whole team (riders and crew) are in the same semi and under the same tent. Plus it takes two or more drivers to go fast in NASCAR (for example drafting) and Motocross is not a team sport and riders go faster by themselves. So NASCAR is not a very good comparison to Motocross.

As far as Regal not racing outdoors this year, yes you are correct that the LM Racing team has always been Supercross only but Regal had 4 outdoor races in his contract. So they must have been planning to race at least 4 outdoors events this year or at least when Regal signed his contract. My buddy works for one of Regal's sponsors and they did their contract around the LM Racing contract and now that Regal is not racing those outdoor events, Regal's salary has been cut by this sponsor. When they asked Regal the reason that he wasn't racing, he said that he wasn't allowed to race. Yes, he did tell them more details, but it's not right for me to repeat what was said.
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Here we go again with my buddy works for a sponsor or I have a friend who knows a friend. Again and i don't understand how it's not black and white. Regal signed a sx only contract and maybe it had 4 races outdoors or not. Whatever happened beyond San Manuel and LM racing and Brooks and JSE is not going to be discussed period. Lawsuits maybe or signed contracts but it sucks that Stewart and Regal is not racing but let it go. Hopefully one day we can get a interview with all involved that explains it all.
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I don't get how people in MX are so unsure of these team changes... we are the only sport that relies so heavily on the manufacturer...

F1, Nascar, V8 Supercars down here, MotoGp, Superbike etc all have teams with big sponsors with machinery provided by a manufacturer...

It'd be GREAT if Dunge signed with Reed, hopefully it'd show the others that it is the way to go, create a brand, and the people will follow!

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