RESTARTS are BS...

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MB6 7/24/2011 8:54pm
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karnivool wrote:
I like both the Ryans and don't care who wins the title...I am pulling for cr22 as a whole... but restarts are complete crap... mx is...
I like both the Ryans and don't care who wins the title...I am pulling for cr22 as a whole...

but restarts are complete crap...

mx is the only motorsport who hits the reset button for restarts...

it should be simple, line them up and walk down the like letting the 1st place rider go 1st, 2nd place goes 2nd...etc...

what a joke
Ddavis wrote:
This, is who I called an idiot. Unless he was being sarcastic. Which after reading it again, sounds like he was. But knowing this place, you...
This, is who I called an idiot. Unless he was being sarcastic. Which after reading it again, sounds like he was. But knowing this place, you never know.......
amen
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mxknowitall 7/24/2011 9:12pm
7/24/2011 9:12pm
karnivool wrote:
I like both the Ryans and don't care who wins the title...I am pulling for cr22 as a whole... but restarts are complete crap... mx is...
I like both the Ryans and don't care who wins the title...I am pulling for cr22 as a whole...

but restarts are complete crap...

mx is the only motorsport who hits the reset button for restarts...

it should be simple, line them up and walk down the like letting the 1st place rider go 1st, 2nd place goes 2nd...etc...

what a joke
Ddavis wrote:
This, is who I called an idiot. Unless he was being sarcastic. Which after reading it again, sounds like he was. But knowing this place, you...
This, is who I called an idiot. Unless he was being sarcastic. Which after reading it again, sounds like he was. But knowing this place, you never know.......
Where did he say that he didn't think races should be red flagged? Why is he an idiot for saying that guys should be able to keep their position?
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karnivool 7/24/2011 10:36pm
7/24/2011 10:36pm
From the Alessi Weekly...

"I am wondering a little about the re-start process... I think it would be better if riders were able to pick up where they left off. It seems that it would be more fair to be staggered restart so you get to start in the position you were in when the red flag came out... Instead of a restart of the whole race... just my opinion!"

even people in the industry have questions...

tony alessi albeit a little egocentric...
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karnivool 7/24/2011 10:37pm
7/24/2011 10:37pm
karnivool wrote:
I like both the Ryans and don't care who wins the title...I am pulling for cr22 as a whole... but restarts are complete crap... mx is...
I like both the Ryans and don't care who wins the title...I am pulling for cr22 as a whole...

but restarts are complete crap...

mx is the only motorsport who hits the reset button for restarts...

it should be simple, line them up and walk down the like letting the 1st place rider go 1st, 2nd place goes 2nd...etc...

what a joke
Ddavis wrote:
This, is who I called an idiot. Unless he was being sarcastic. Which after reading it again, sounds like he was. But knowing this place, you...
This, is who I called an idiot. Unless he was being sarcastic. Which after reading it again, sounds like he was. But knowing this place, you never know.......
From Tony Alessi...

"I am wondering a little about the re-start process... I think it would be better if riders were able to pick up where they left off. It seems that it would be more fair to be staggered restart so you get to start in the position you were in when the red flag came out... Instead of a restart of the whole race... just my opinion!"

either he and I are both crazy or ur just a little bitch Ddavis, you are a known ahole on here...not suprised you showed up in here...

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karnivool 7/24/2011 10:40pm
7/24/2011 10:40pm
karnivool wrote:
I like both the Ryans and don't care who wins the title...I am pulling for cr22 as a whole... but restarts are complete crap... mx is...
I like both the Ryans and don't care who wins the title...I am pulling for cr22 as a whole...

but restarts are complete crap...

mx is the only motorsport who hits the reset button for restarts...

it should be simple, line them up and walk down the like letting the 1st place rider go 1st, 2nd place goes 2nd...etc...

what a joke
Ddavis wrote:
This, is who I called an idiot. Unless he was being sarcastic. Which after reading it again, sounds like he was. But knowing this place, you...
This, is who I called an idiot. Unless he was being sarcastic. Which after reading it again, sounds like he was. But knowing this place, you never know.......
MB6 wrote:
amen
Really MB6...how can you disagree with my post and agree with Tony alessi saying the same thing...

staggered start...

2 faced?
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Holesyaaat 7/24/2011 10:47pm
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I think that the underlying issue was the fact that a random drunk fan holding a 3x5 American flag was more effective than the flaggers themselves.

I know racing is cool and that it is easy to get distracted and miss stuff, but the racers have a lot of other things to worry about than whether or not there's a pile of crashed out riders laying on the downside of a blind jump.

It'd be like security at a rock concert turning towards the band and rocking out.
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Cigaro 7/24/2011 11:04pm
7/24/2011 11:04pm Edited Date/Time 7/24/2011 11:04pm
karnivool wrote:
Really MB6...how can you disagree with my post and agree with Tony alessi saying the same thing...

staggered start...

2 faced?
You think Tony would be saying that if Mike holeshot the restart?
Jeff_Allen 7/25/2011 9:35am
7/25/2011 9:35am
Eddie Casillas wrote:
The Asterisk Mobile Medical team makes every effort to assist downed riders without stopping the race. I believe MX/SX is the only sport that doesn't stop...
The Asterisk Mobile Medical team makes every effort to assist downed riders without stopping the race. I believe MX/SX is the only sport that doesn't stop a race when medical personnel are on track.

I wish everyone could experience trying to assist a injured rider in the middle of a SX whoop section as you have an entire 450 main event blasting by you. Is it dangerous? Absolutely, but we take on the risk because we like the majority of the people in this forum understand the consequences a re-start might have on the outcome of a championship, or even the amount of money a privateer might earn. With that said. We are not careless and make every effort to put in place measures that decrease the dangers.

After every race Dr. Bodnar makes a list of improvements that can make a track more accessible and safer for the medical staff to attend to a injured rider. The hope is that when we return the following year the changes will have been made and we can decrease or avoid situations like this. Unfortunately, with the exception of a few tracks nothing ever happens.
We have seen major renovations done to tracks ie. building construction, course layouts, parking, bleachers..... only to find nothing was done to help emergency services.

I have pushed for a policy in which a track owner, promoter, sponsor should have to ride in our medical mule strapped to a backboard around the entire track after all races have finished. I am sure a majority of us have at some point or another been strapped to a backboard and experienced the not so comfortable ride to the hospital. Now imagine the same scenario but instead your having to cross a rutted race track during a race then being subjected to fans asking for goggles, boots, helmet, gear.

Sorry for going straying off course, I get a little fired up when we talk about rider safety.
I hope that the people on this forum believe me when I say that we are trying to make things safer without taking away all that makes motocross racing fun to watch.
As mostly a lurker, I'd like to thank for your post. I can't believe no one else responded to your thoughts.

Thank you!
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lumpy790 7/25/2011 10:11am
7/25/2011 10:11am
Eddie Casillas wrote:
The Asterisk Mobile Medical team makes every effort to assist downed riders without stopping the race. I believe MX/SX is the only sport that doesn't stop...
The Asterisk Mobile Medical team makes every effort to assist downed riders without stopping the race. I believe MX/SX is the only sport that doesn't stop a race when medical personnel are on track.

I wish everyone could experience trying to assist a injured rider in the middle of a SX whoop section as you have an entire 450 main event blasting by you. Is it dangerous? Absolutely, but we take on the risk because we like the majority of the people in this forum understand the consequences a re-start might have on the outcome of a championship, or even the amount of money a privateer might earn. With that said. We are not careless and make every effort to put in place measures that decrease the dangers.

After every race Dr. Bodnar makes a list of improvements that can make a track more accessible and safer for the medical staff to attend to a injured rider. The hope is that when we return the following year the changes will have been made and we can decrease or avoid situations like this. Unfortunately, with the exception of a few tracks nothing ever happens.
We have seen major renovations done to tracks ie. building construction, course layouts, parking, bleachers..... only to find nothing was done to help emergency services.

I have pushed for a policy in which a track owner, promoter, sponsor should have to ride in our medical mule strapped to a backboard around the entire track after all races have finished. I am sure a majority of us have at some point or another been strapped to a backboard and experienced the not so comfortable ride to the hospital. Now imagine the same scenario but instead your having to cross a rutted race track during a race then being subjected to fans asking for goggles, boots, helmet, gear.

Sorry for going straying off course, I get a little fired up when we talk about rider safety.
I hope that the people on this forum believe me when I say that we are trying to make things safer without taking away all that makes motocross racing fun to watch.
Jeff_Allen wrote:
As mostly a lurker, I'd like to thank for your post. I can't believe no one else responded to your thoughts.

Thank you!
Good thoughts to be considered.
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Holesyaaat 7/25/2011 12:21pm
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Eddie Casillas wrote:
The Asterisk Mobile Medical team makes every effort to assist downed riders without stopping the race. I believe MX/SX is the only sport that doesn't stop...
The Asterisk Mobile Medical team makes every effort to assist downed riders without stopping the race. I believe MX/SX is the only sport that doesn't stop a race when medical personnel are on track.

I wish everyone could experience trying to assist a injured rider in the middle of a SX whoop section as you have an entire 450 main event blasting by you. Is it dangerous? Absolutely, but we take on the risk because we like the majority of the people in this forum understand the consequences a re-start might have on the outcome of a championship, or even the amount of money a privateer might earn. With that said. We are not careless and make every effort to put in place measures that decrease the dangers.

After every race Dr. Bodnar makes a list of improvements that can make a track more accessible and safer for the medical staff to attend to a injured rider. The hope is that when we return the following year the changes will have been made and we can decrease or avoid situations like this. Unfortunately, with the exception of a few tracks nothing ever happens.
We have seen major renovations done to tracks ie. building construction, course layouts, parking, bleachers..... only to find nothing was done to help emergency services.

I have pushed for a policy in which a track owner, promoter, sponsor should have to ride in our medical mule strapped to a backboard around the entire track after all races have finished. I am sure a majority of us have at some point or another been strapped to a backboard and experienced the not so comfortable ride to the hospital. Now imagine the same scenario but instead your having to cross a rutted race track during a race then being subjected to fans asking for goggles, boots, helmet, gear.

Sorry for going straying off course, I get a little fired up when we talk about rider safety.
I hope that the people on this forum believe me when I say that we are trying to make things safer without taking away all that makes motocross racing fun to watch.
Jeff_Allen wrote:
As mostly a lurker, I'd like to thank for your post. I can't believe no one else responded to your thoughts.

Thank you!
lumpy790 wrote:
Good thoughts to be considered.
I think that people would rather argue than take this into consideration...
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40Plus_922mx 7/25/2011 12:26pm
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Restarts are 100% necessary when any one's safety is at risk. If you don't understand this then pick another sport to complain about. We have enough crazy injuries nowadays. No need to increase any risk cause some one doesn't like restarts. They are part of the game and here to stay.
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GuyB 7/25/2011 12:35pm
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Ddavis wrote:
You guys are complete morons, that's all I have to say.
mxknowitall wrote:
Oh the irony...
Ddavis wrote:
When someone is laying in the middle of the track with a broken femur, why not red flag it? You guys are idiots I swear.
Maybe if I trim out the messages where you guys are calling each other idiots, this thread would be back down to the 1-2 pages that are appropriate for it.

People need to think before hitting the submit button.
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BLAHBLAH 7/25/2011 3:15pm
7/25/2011 3:15pm
mxknowitall wrote:
Oh the irony...
Ddavis wrote:
When someone is laying in the middle of the track with a broken femur, why not red flag it? You guys are idiots I swear.
GuyB wrote:
Maybe if I trim out the messages where you guys are calling each other idiots, this thread would be back down to the 1-2 pages that...
Maybe if I trim out the messages where you guys are calling each other idiots, this thread would be back down to the 1-2 pages that are appropriate for it.

People need to think before hitting the submit button.
IDIOT.....
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Void Main 7/25/2011 4:07pm
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I agree, restarts are bullshit. They should just end the race if the red flag comes out.
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PressPassP 7/25/2011 6:11pm
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Restarts are NOT BS,Safety should always come first,I think that goes without saying,for the sake in this case of Trey on the ground to the Asterisk guys treating him or indeed the marshals trying to protect them,a Restart was needed,there's no 100% way to do it and keep everyone happy but a majority must be happy that the result is that there were no further injuries to any of those previously mentioned etc

Take the last completed lap and let em go pick their gate positions from there
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kripple428 7/27/2011 2:18am
7/27/2011 2:18am
I'm not a big fan of restarts but I do believe they are necessary for safety reasons but just have to riders stop where they are at on the track and green flag means go that way no posistion's are changed
scott_nz 7/27/2011 2:27am
7/27/2011 2:27am
kripple428 wrote:
I'm not a big fan of restarts but I do believe they are necessary for safety reasons but just have to riders stop where they are...
I'm not a big fan of restarts but I do believe they are necessary for safety reasons but just have to riders stop where they are at on the track and green flag means go that way no posistion's are changed
that would be difficult to do as watching 40 riders on a 2 minute plus laptime track is near impossible,

i think you either have to keep the status quo, or maybe everyone lines up in order in the mechanics or start line and gets releases in line, you would loose the lead you had, but keep your position, sort of like a nascar restart,

there will always be times when you need to red flag a race, having been in a medic crew holding someones neck while a collar is put on them with bikes that feel like they are passing inches from your feet, its a pretty scary feeling, i have also been the rider have been attended to, its one of those bad situations where unfortuantly someone will loose out,
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kripple428 7/27/2011 2:33am
7/27/2011 2:33am
yeah but with the transponders they would know who is in what posistion and just have everyone come to a safe stop and then once the track is cleared restart from there or something to that effect cause having to restart the whole race just kinda sucks

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scott_nz 7/27/2011 2:36am
7/27/2011 2:36am
kripple428 wrote:
yeah but with the transponders they would know who is in what posistion and just have everyone come to a safe stop and then once the...
yeah but with the transponders they would know who is in what posistion and just have everyone come to a safe stop and then once the track is cleared restart from there or something to that effect cause having to restart the whole race just kinda sucks
i agree, but you would have to line them up, but that would be pretty easy with transponders, stop the clock and it restarts with the race, it would not be hard to have a single lane set up with banners or moveable barriers either,
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TDeath21 7/27/2011 11:00am
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I hate red flags, and I believe there should never be a red flag unless absolutely necessary. This was without a doubt one of those occasions. There was no way the Asterisk team could safely attend to him with that being a high speed section over a blind jump without red flagging it.

Tony Alessi is complaining because it hindered his son. RV fans are complaining because it hindered RV. At the end of a 30 minute plus 2 lap moto, there wasn't any difference in the overall outcome as far as the championship is concerned. The people that should really be complaining are the privateers that drove all the way up to Washington and got a decent start in moto 2 only to have it taken away.

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