RESTARTS are BS...

lostboy819 7/24/2011 10:51am
7/24/2011 10:51am Edited Date/Time 7/24/2011 10:54am
kongols wrote:
No , if you have smaller balls it means smaller weight and every pound is one HP.
umagumadog wrote:
That's exactly why I never had to have a single motor mod. Cool
jtomasik wrote:
Hate to break it to you two, but it's 1 HP for every 10 pounds, not 1 pound.

Your small balls aren't helping that much...lol...
I thought it was 6.2 pounds for every 1 HP.
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kongols wrote:
No , if you have smaller balls it means smaller weight and every pound is one HP.
umagumadog wrote:
That's exactly why I never had to have a single motor mod. Cool
jtomasik wrote:
Hate to break it to you two, but it's 1 HP for every 10 pounds, not 1 pound.

Your small balls aren't helping that much...lol...
Damn and I thought I had an unfair advantage.
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cpj36 7/24/2011 10:55am
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umagumadog wrote:
What fucking part of best man wins don't you understand?
cpj36 wrote:
Bigger balls & better technique or best rider? Make up your mind, they're not one and the same.
umagumadog wrote:
So the better rider has smaller balls and worse technique according to your logic?
Where did I say that? You clearly said bigger balls & better technique will overcome a shitty first turn or fast track with no passing, and then suggested the best man always wins.

Does that mean Dungey has best style, biggest balls and best rider? Except for moto1 when RV had the best technique, biggest balls and was the best rider because he got the start and passing sucked?
Eddie Casillas 7/24/2011 11:00am
7/24/2011 11:00am
The Asterisk Mobile Medical team makes every effort to assist downed riders without stopping the race. I believe MX/SX is the only sport that doesn't stop a race when medical personnel are on track.

I wish everyone could experience trying to assist a injured rider in the middle of a SX whoop section as you have an entire 450 main event blasting by you. Is it dangerous? Absolutely, but we take on the risk because we like the majority of the people in this forum understand the consequences a re-start might have on the outcome of a championship, or even the amount of money a privateer might earn. With that said. We are not careless and make every effort to put in place measures that decrease the dangers.

After every race Dr. Bodnar makes a list of improvements that can make a track more accessible and safer for the medical staff to attend to a injured rider. The hope is that when we return the following year the changes will have been made and we can decrease or avoid situations like this. Unfortunately, with the exception of a few tracks nothing ever happens.
We have seen major renovations done to tracks ie. building construction, course layouts, parking, bleachers..... only to find nothing was done to help emergency services.

I have pushed for a policy in which a track owner, promoter, sponsor should have to ride in our medical mule strapped to a backboard around the entire track after all races have finished. I am sure a majority of us have at some point or another been strapped to a backboard and experienced the not so comfortable ride to the hospital. Now imagine the same scenario but instead your having to cross a rutted race track during a race then being subjected to fans asking for goggles, boots, helmet, gear.

Sorry for going straying off course, I get a little fired up when we talk about rider safety.
I hope that the people on this forum believe me when I say that we are trying to make things safer without taking away all that makes motocross racing fun to watch.

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cpj36 wrote:
Bigger balls & better technique or best rider? Make up your mind, they're not one and the same.
umagumadog wrote:
So the better rider has smaller balls and worse technique according to your logic?
cpj36 wrote:
Where did I say that? You clearly said bigger balls & better technique will overcome a shitty first turn or fast track with no passing, and...
Where did I say that? You clearly said bigger balls & better technique will overcome a shitty first turn or fast track with no passing, and then suggested the best man always wins.

Does that mean Dungey has best style, biggest balls and best rider? Except for moto1 when RV had the best technique, biggest balls and was the best rider because he got the start and passing sucked?
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sc961 7/24/2011 11:26am
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Sorry to hear Trey is hurt again. He's a great kid and top level rider.

The medical crew along with the AMA made the call. The people directly involved have much more insight regarding the situation at hand than anyone here at Vital.

It sounds like Doc Bodnar is consistently working on improvements to the process after each weekend completes. Nothing wrong with letting the people that actually deal directly with the issues, resolve problems and make improvements.
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Uncleof2 7/24/2011 11:43am
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Re-starts are part of motocross racing. Unfair to some more than fair to others. Crashes, mechanicals, re-starts, bad starts, lappers, weather conditions, bad luck, good luck, illnesses, all affect every rider during a 12 or 17 race schedule.
The rider who has the most points at the end of the season is the Champion. What if's are great fodder for bench racing,
but really have no affect on reality. All that being said a red flag was out to protect a rider down so that is the important
issue.
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cpj36 7/24/2011 11:59am
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umagumadog wrote:
So the better rider has smaller balls and worse technique according to your logic?
cpj36 wrote:
Where did I say that? You clearly said bigger balls & better technique will overcome a shitty first turn or fast track with no passing, and...
Where did I say that? You clearly said bigger balls & better technique will overcome a shitty first turn or fast track with no passing, and then suggested the best man always wins.

Does that mean Dungey has best style, biggest balls and best rider? Except for moto1 when RV had the best technique, biggest balls and was the best rider because he got the start and passing sucked?
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Regarding the meaning of holeshot: The term came originally from drag racing, referring to someone who got off the line (tree) faster. As in "shot out of a hole". It's been taken up by motocross, and measured by who gets to the first turn fastest. But the term comes from describing how quickly the machine accelerates from the start.
Spat24 7/24/2011 2:23pm
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Question - in MX Sports rules for restarts - (listed below) - there should have a restart with the rider positions from lap 1. This did not happen - why? Was it because it was only the first lap and a half? What would have happened on lap 6 and how would they restart them with thier listed scored positions from previous lap. They did cross the finish line once so they should have had scored positions - right?


2.15 Restart Procedure
a. In the case of a false start (gate malfunction or other contributing
factor), a race will be restarted with the riders returning to their
original starting positions.
b. Should a race be stopped after one (1) lap is complete, the race
will be restarted using the official scored rider positions the lap prior
to the red flag. The restart will resume for the time remaining of
the Thirty (30) minute race. The restart will take place as soon as
possible and within a maximum time of 10 minutes, providing track
conditions allow.
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Ddavis 7/24/2011 2:31pm
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You guys are complete morons, that's all I have to say.
panic revver 7/24/2011 2:31pm
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Spat24 wrote:
Question - in MX Sports rules for restarts - (listed below) - there should have a restart with the rider positions from lap 1. This did...
Question - in MX Sports rules for restarts - (listed below) - there should have a restart with the rider positions from lap 1. This did not happen - why? Was it because it was only the first lap and a half? What would have happened on lap 6 and how would they restart them with thier listed scored positions from previous lap. They did cross the finish line once so they should have had scored positions - right?


2.15 Restart Procedure
a. In the case of a false start (gate malfunction or other contributing
factor), a race will be restarted with the riders returning to their
original starting positions.
b. Should a race be stopped after one (1) lap is complete, the race
will be restarted using the official scored rider positions the lap prior
to the red flag. The restart will resume for the time remaining of
the Thirty (30) minute race. The restart will take place as soon as
possible and within a maximum time of 10 minutes, providing track
conditions allow.
It says after 1 lap so I assume it means anytime after 1 lap whether it is lap 6, 10, 12 but I thought someone posted that if the race was red flagged after a certain time or lap??? then it would end there and that would be the finishing order.
Spat24 7/24/2011 2:52pm
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panic revver wrote:
It says after 1 lap so I assume it means anytime after 1 lap whether it is lap 6, 10, 12 but I thought someone posted...
It says after 1 lap so I assume it means anytime after 1 lap whether it is lap 6, 10, 12 but I thought someone posted that if the race was red flagged after a certain time or lap??? then it would end there and that would be the finishing order.
Yeah - but the way i read it is they would start them as per thier last lap order. They did not do that. They did a full restart from the gate. How would they restart them from their position order - I have never seen the type of restart from their last scored position.

The rules do state after 20 min if there is a red flag, the race is over.
panic revver 7/24/2011 2:56pm
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panic revver wrote:
It says after 1 lap so I assume it means anytime after 1 lap whether it is lap 6, 10, 12 but I thought someone posted...
It says after 1 lap so I assume it means anytime after 1 lap whether it is lap 6, 10, 12 but I thought someone posted that if the race was red flagged after a certain time or lap??? then it would end there and that would be the finishing order.
Spat24 wrote:
Yeah - but the way i read it is they would start them as per thier last lap order. They did not do that. They did...
Yeah - but the way i read it is they would start them as per thier last lap order. They did not do that. They did a full restart from the gate. How would they restart them from their position order - I have never seen the type of restart from their last scored position.

The rules do state after 20 min if there is a red flag, the race is over.
I took it to mean gate pick. Dunno.
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GuyB wrote:
Canard was laid out in a blind area, his bike was in the track, and the Asterisk Mobile Medical crew couldn't get a clean way to...
Canard was laid out in a blind area, his bike was in the track, and the Asterisk Mobile Medical crew couldn't get a clean way to get across the track to him.

They're a pain, but occasionally they're needed.
teggers wrote:
Voice of reason.
1) I am not an RV2 fanboy...(like him, don't love)

2) I am well aware that the RED flag was NEEDED and appropriate...

3) I was eluding to the fact that as PEELOUT pointed out, 1 guy benefits and everyone else is screwed...

NOTE: RV pulled the holeshot and gapped RD by a bigger margin than the first moto, he already had about 7-8 seconds on RD...that sprint took it out of him and he had to line up and try to do it again...

no way is it a fair shake, there has to be away...ideas?

(as previously stated, I am pulling for cr22...who benefited from the restart)
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mxknowitall 7/24/2011 2:59pm
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Ddavis wrote:
You guys are complete morons, that's all I have to say.
Oh the irony...
panic revver 7/24/2011 3:02pm
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GuyB wrote:
Canard was laid out in a blind area, his bike was in the track, and the Asterisk Mobile Medical crew couldn't get a clean way to...
Canard was laid out in a blind area, his bike was in the track, and the Asterisk Mobile Medical crew couldn't get a clean way to get across the track to him.

They're a pain, but occasionally they're needed.
teggers wrote:
Voice of reason.
karnivool wrote:
1) I am not an RV2 fanboy...(like him, don't love) 2) I am well aware that the RED flag was NEEDED and appropriate... 3) I was...
1) I am not an RV2 fanboy...(like him, don't love)

2) I am well aware that the RED flag was NEEDED and appropriate...

3) I was eluding to the fact that as PEELOUT pointed out, 1 guy benefits and everyone else is screwed...

NOTE: RV pulled the holeshot and gapped RD by a bigger margin than the first moto, he already had about 7-8 seconds on RD...that sprint took it out of him and he had to line up and try to do it again...

no way is it a fair shake, there has to be away...ideas?

(as previously stated, I am pulling for cr22...who benefited from the restart)
One sprint took it out of RV? LMAO
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Ddavis 7/24/2011 3:02pm
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Ddavis wrote:
You guys are complete morons, that's all I have to say.
mxknowitall wrote:
Oh the irony...
When someone is laying in the middle of the track with a broken femur, why not red flag it? You guys are idiots I swear.

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mxknowitall 7/24/2011 3:07pm
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Ddavis wrote:
You guys are complete morons, that's all I have to say.
mxknowitall wrote:
Oh the irony...
Ddavis wrote:
When someone is laying in the middle of the track with a broken femur, why not red flag it? You guys are idiots I swear.
You're the one that can't read properly. He never said it shouldn't have been red flagged. Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension skills before you call people idiots.
panic revver 7/24/2011 3:08pm
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Ddavis wrote:
You guys are complete morons, that's all I have to say.
mxknowitall wrote:
Oh the irony...
Ddavis wrote:
When someone is laying in the middle of the track with a broken femur, why not red flag it? You guys are idiots I swear.
Who is saying they shouldn't have red flagged it? Also you might want to take some math if you think he was in the middle of the track. Also who knew he had a broken femur when he was laying on the side of the track? Also you should probably be real careful about who you call an idiot.
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Cigaro 7/24/2011 3:18pm
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karnivool wrote:
1) I am not an RV2 fanboy...(like him, don't love) 2) I am well aware that the RED flag was NEEDED and appropriate... 3) I was...
1) I am not an RV2 fanboy...(like him, don't love)

2) I am well aware that the RED flag was NEEDED and appropriate...

3) I was eluding to the fact that as PEELOUT pointed out, 1 guy benefits and everyone else is screwed...

NOTE: RV pulled the holeshot and gapped RD by a bigger margin than the first moto, he already had about 7-8 seconds on RD...that sprint took it out of him and he had to line up and try to do it again...

no way is it a fair shake, there has to be away...ideas?

(as previously stated, I am pulling for cr22...who benefited from the restart)
We get it. You're a fan of every rider and the sport but yet hate to see Dungeys success. His 3 min sprint took it out of him.? LMFAO
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Ddavis wrote:
You guys are complete morons, that's all I have to say.
seems like a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
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panic revver wrote:
Who is saying they shouldn't have red flagged it? Also you might want to take some math if you think he was in the middle of...
Who is saying they shouldn't have red flagged it? Also you might want to take some math if you think he was in the middle of the track. Also who knew he had a broken femur when he was laying on the side of the track? Also you should probably be real careful about who you call an idiot.
also......
also......
also......

I love when people argue about who is less of an idiot in third-gradese
Mr. Ted 7/24/2011 3:43pm
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I think it would be stupid to not have red flags. Granted, we don't want them all the time, but they are needed. What about MA at red bud? Perfect example of when a red flag was needed, IMO. And I think that Trey needed this one. JMO.
panic revver 7/24/2011 3:44pm
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panic revver wrote:
Who is saying they shouldn't have red flagged it? Also you might want to take some math if you think he was in the middle of...
Who is saying they shouldn't have red flagged it? Also you might want to take some math if you think he was in the middle of the track. Also who knew he had a broken femur when he was laying on the side of the track? Also you should probably be real careful about who you call an idiot.
JustMX wrote:
also......
also......
also......

I love when people argue about who is less of an idiot in third-gradese
I did the also's on purpose for DD. Sorry it went over your head. When you want to write some term papers let me know. LOL
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Spat24 wrote:
Question - in MX Sports rules for restarts - (listed below) - there should have a restart with the rider positions from lap 1. This did...
Question - in MX Sports rules for restarts - (listed below) - there should have a restart with the rider positions from lap 1. This did not happen - why? Was it because it was only the first lap and a half? What would have happened on lap 6 and how would they restart them with thier listed scored positions from previous lap. They did cross the finish line once so they should have had scored positions - right?


2.15 Restart Procedure
a. In the case of a false start (gate malfunction or other contributing
factor), a race will be restarted with the riders returning to their
original starting positions.
b. Should a race be stopped after one (1) lap is complete, the race
will be restarted using the official scored rider positions the lap prior
to the red flag. The restart will resume for the time remaining of
the Thirty (30) minute race. The restart will take place as soon as
possible and within a maximum time of 10 minutes, providing track
conditions allow.
panic revver wrote:
It says after 1 lap so I assume it means anytime after 1 lap whether it is lap 6, 10, 12 but I thought someone posted...
It says after 1 lap so I assume it means anytime after 1 lap whether it is lap 6, 10, 12 but I thought someone posted that if the race was red flagged after a certain time or lap??? then it would end there and that would be the finishing order.
wouldn't matter anyway, the rules are whatever they want them to be when it concerns the top guys in the sport.
motox731tuner 7/24/2011 3:59pm
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while i still think this should be an easy thing to do... in reality the ama is not staffed correctly to handle the situation in this...
while i still think this should be an easy thing to do... in reality the ama is not staffed correctly to handle the situation in this maner...
we need PROFESSIONAL flaggers. the kids and people that volunteer to help the promoters don't cut. If we want to protect the riders we need professionals out their that are specifically trained. It's no wonder the riders don't respect the yellow flags... they don't respect the flaggers... one part of the track they get a flagger going nuts on to see a guy totally out of harms way siting on his bike fixing his goggles... then on another part of the track he gets a flagger half assed waving the flag and comes over a jump to find a downed rider on the other side...

We need to get a professional group of flaggers that follow the circuit and earn the respect of the riders...

- 20 flaggers @ $650. = $13,000. (i'm sure there are promoters ready to tell me there isn't enough money to pay for this....)
Then the flaggers would make more than the riders finishing from 25th to 40th in the mains!Huh
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mxknowitall wrote:
Oh the irony...
Ddavis wrote:
When someone is laying in the middle of the track with a broken femur, why not red flag it? You guys are idiots I swear.
panic revver wrote:
Who is saying they shouldn't have red flagged it? Also you might want to take some math if you think he was in the middle of...
Who is saying they shouldn't have red flagged it? Also you might want to take some math if you think he was in the middle of the track. Also who knew he had a broken femur when he was laying on the side of the track? Also you should probably be real careful about who you call an idiot.
People saying they should put out a yellow flag and continue to race aren't saying they shouldn't red flag the race?
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Ddavis wrote:
When someone is laying in the middle of the track with a broken femur, why not red flag it? You guys are idiots I swear.
panic revver wrote:
Who is saying they shouldn't have red flagged it? Also you might want to take some math if you think he was in the middle of...
Who is saying they shouldn't have red flagged it? Also you might want to take some math if you think he was in the middle of the track. Also who knew he had a broken femur when he was laying on the side of the track? Also you should probably be real careful about who you call an idiot.
Sherwood wrote:
People saying they should put out a yellow flag and continue to race aren't saying they shouldn't red flag the race?
"it should be simple, line them up and walk down the like letting the 1st place rider go 1st, 2nd place goes 2nd...etc..."

Explain how that isn't red flagging the race? He is arguing the restarting process, not whether or not they should red flag races.
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Ddavis 7/24/2011 8:47pm
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karnivool wrote:
I like both the Ryans and don't care who wins the title...I am pulling for cr22 as a whole... but restarts are complete crap... mx is...
I like both the Ryans and don't care who wins the title...I am pulling for cr22 as a whole...

but restarts are complete crap...

mx is the only motorsport who hits the reset button for restarts...

it should be simple, line them up and walk down the like letting the 1st place rider go 1st, 2nd place goes 2nd...etc...

what a joke
This, is who I called an idiot. Unless he was being sarcastic. Which after reading it again, sounds like he was. But knowing this place, you never know.......

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